Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Can’t believe how quickly this franchise went from just having a little bit of uncertainty around it to the same drama-riddled joke it was before Shanahan came aboard. This whole situation has been handled so piss-poorly I can’t believe it. God knows the shit media in this city is only too happy.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Any trades we don't need to be in a rush with. FA I'm not too worried about if we have a new coach in place or Keefe because they can figure out what players would work in the system they want to use. The draft will be the hardest part but I think if we give the new GM at least a month to find new staff and work on draft strategy then it's not too bad. We also only have what? 3 picks? So it's not like we'll be busy on draft day unless we trade back.

That means being okay with running it back with essentially the same core I am not sure that would be the right call but hey if it works I will not care as long as Lord Stanley is over here.

Shanahan plans to use the same staff group for the draft, so Wes Clark is going to be relied upon heavily however this is one of the deeper drafts in a while so maneuvering trades will be definitely interesting on top. hence the trades and all required with the GM will be critical IMO. Which sets up for the future and as well infuses it with the present as well.

It will definitely be an interesting time now.

 

[sxvnert]

Isn’t the AAV likely to be higher on a shorter term deal at this point in his career? His age 27-29 years are likel valued more than his age 30+ years. The more age 30+ years the Leafs buy, the lower the AAV is likely t be.

At least in my opinion. But as always, I could be wrong.

Let Matty milk every dime from another team. Its clear he doesn't give a f*** about winning.
Look at the post series interviews from McDavid & Draisaitl vs Matthews and Marner.

Compare this:



to this:




Then compare both duos on ice performances. Its not even close.

Can’t believe how quickly this franchise went from just having a little bit of uncertainty around it to the same drama-riddled joke it was before Shanahan came aboard. This whole situation has been handled so piss-poorly I can’t believe it. God knows the shit media in this city is only too happy.

Its not that bad YET.

 

[justashadowof]

Why be loyal to a guy who pulled that stunt and not to his boss who was loyal to Dubas to a fault for 9 years ?

They shouldn't be but people can miss the obvious. Dubas will be indirectly responsible for several upcoming terminations in the Leafs' front office and what was it over? More money and more power? Not being appreciated enough?

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Let Matty milk every dime from another team. Its clear he doesn't give a f*** about winning.
Look at the post series interviews from McDavid & Draisaitl vs Matthews and Marner.

Compare this:



to this:




Then compare both duos on ice performances. Its not even close.

We have almost 90 pages for this presser by Shanny. The media training/expectation is NIGHT and the day between the two so expecting similar responses here is expecting snow in June well unless you are in the north and south poles.

As well Mcdavid is on another level, that gets away with a lot because of who he is, if you don't see that I don't know man. If we went to the conference finals and then took a step back, there would be a lot more shit thrown around too

 

[Gaud]

Sure, a GM that got one measly series win will be highly sought after. Sure. He can get you good regular success, but don't expect his teams to go far in the playoffs. I guess that's good for certain teams right now

Well it would be if your team is rebuilding. Plus the guy is what.. 37? With a decent amount of experience already. He managed to get past the first round , which is a first in 19 years and for all his faults, i cant say he didnt put in the effort at the trade deadline. With the leadership that OReilly , Tavares, etc that was put in and the addition at D , etc.. i gotta say this elimination (at the very least) is on the players.

Also, any coach or GM than can get more than 1 cup in a 32 year career is mathematically sucessful, and he only has 5 in

 

[HolyCrap]

Tune in to the Sens anti-Leafs thread. They're enjoying this. Now what Kyle wind up in Ottawa once Snoop purchases the team.

I really hope he does end up in Ottawa. Would be great for us.

 

[andora]

I dont understand the panic.. there is plenty of time for stuff.. it will be busy.. but plenty of time.

- draft.. what do we have 3 picks? Umm ok.. same scouting staff all here.. ok done

- head coach - gm to have input but likely gone. Lots of time on new coach.. ok done

- gm search - have essentially weeks or longer to get it right..

- matthews extension. Can shanahan a d pridham not handle this? Starts with a conversation and they have 6 weeks to talk .. get a deal in principle or trade him

- marner - have 6 weeks to decide to keep or trade.. lots of time..

- nylander - see matthews comment

- trades - are we so skeptical in a pinch that shanahan and pridham and fletcher couldnt handle these trades? I am pretty sure they could handle them if push comes to shove - i foresee the gm brought in lining up with the trade targets anyhow..

Busy yeah but it isnt even june yet

 

[leafsfan5]

it's just so crazy to me that 3 weeks ago we beat Tampa

Time flies

 

[justashadowof]

I really hope he does end up in Ottawa. Would be great for us.

We all know that he won't be able to resist trying to "own" the next GM in a trade.

 

[IPS]

Had a great day and it just got way better. Omg this is awesome

 

[PromisedLand]

OMFG just saw this clip on twitter.

Dubas was angling for more pay by using media and what not I am 100% sure about it now than I was before.

Shanny said dubas' agent called with a new "financial package" offer that dubas wants to be a GM and Shanny basically told him to F-OFF

Dubas can F right off

 

[Phion Keneuf]

If what Shanahan said was true.

Dubas probably just did what Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares did to him. Play hard ball and expect to get what they want.

Sucks because I thought he was a good GM overall. But he needed a rude awakening. Let’s hope that whoever we bring in is better.

But the experienced GM comment scares me. Who has experience that would actually be a better GM than Dubas? I genuinely can’t think of anyone.

 

[IPS]

Can’t believe how quickly this franchise went from just having a little bit of uncertainty around it to the same drama-riddled joke it was before Shanahan came aboard. This whole situation has been handled so piss-poorly I can’t believe it. God knows the shit media in this city is only too happy.

Such is the product of failure Jimmy. It was inevitable the second we lost game 5.

 

[7even]

If what Shanahan said was true.

Dubas probably just did what Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares did to him. Play hard ball and expect to get what they want.

Sucks because I thought he was a good GM overall. But he needed a rude awakening. Let’s hope that whoever we bring in is better.

But the experienced GM comment scares me. Who has experience that would actually be a better GM than Dubas? I genuinely can’t think of anyone.

The big disconnect there is that there is a salary cap with the players. The numbers matter, because it's a zero sum game. That's not true of the GM. Who the f*** cares if he played hardball on his own contract? "We could've had a better backup if we weren't paying Kyle that extra $1.5M." It's completely immaterial.

 

[Menzinger]

Not a single member of the media asked how this would impact the Matthews or Nylander contract situations.

Absolutely pathetic from the Toronto hockey media lol

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Not a single member of the media asked how this would impact the Matthews or Nylander contract situations.

Absolutely pathetic from the Toronto hockey media lol

There was kind of a question regarding the core 4 but nothing regarding the future was pretty damn hilarious that's for sure.

 

[Stephen]

Yep, but in the end the players are the ones that matter. Winning is great, but as we hear all the time, sports are a business.

The organization is what truly matters, made up of committed individuals at the player, coaching and front office level that can push towards a common goal.

 

[Trapper]

If what Shanahan said was true.

Dubas probably just did what Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares did to him. Play hard ball and expect to get what they want.

Sucks because I thought he was a good GM overall. But he needed a rude awakening. Let’s hope that whoever we bring in is better.

But the experienced GM comment scares me. Who has experience that would actually be a better GM than Dubas? I genuinely can’t think of anyone.

Regardless you just can’t have your GM going on about his stress to the media. Behind closed doors, with team professionals, sure. But what comes next? When the players lose again and again, now they are stressed? Need 2 million more a year because I’m stressed?
No. It was the end.

 

[Gallagbi]

The big disconnect there is that there is a salary cap with the players. The numbers matter, because it's a zero sum game. That's not true of the GM. Who the f*** cares if he played hardball on his own contract? "We could've had a better backup if we weren't paying Kyle that extra $1.5M." It's completely immaterial.

I do wonder if it was process more than dollars. Changing the number this late in the game is pretty shady.

 

[PromisedLand]

Dubas is a FRAUD. Period!

I am really angry at how much Dubas effed us not only with his stupid moves, structuring the contracts for Marner, Matthetws, Nylander so that their NMCs/NTCs kick in at the same time as his contract was up.

This revelation just shows the kind of trash Dubas really is. Good freakin' riddance!

 

[al secord]

Not exactly that but when Punch Imlach came back for a second time he kind of went to war against the players. Sittler I believe asked out but instead Lanny McDonald and Tiger Williams got traded thus breaking up the band. Sittler eventually got his wish although I think Imlach wasn't really running things by then.

That set up the glory years of the 80s

 

[Stephen]

Not exactly that but when Punch Imlach came back for a second time he kind of went to war against the players. Sittler I believe asked out but instead Lanny McDonald and Tiger Williams got traded thus breaking up the band. Sittler eventually got his wish although I think Imlach wasn't really running things by then.

I am definitely not for a mandate of change and throwing the baby out with the bathwater a la Punch Imlach 2, Cliff Fletcher 2. That's why I supported Dubas coming back as opposed to a guy to come in and make franchise damaging change.

But we also can't look at a post Dubas era like some meanie is going to come in and ruin the Care Bears. Why can't it be another player friendly GM environment run on analytics? Or why can't it be an aggressive, highly competitive pirate ship with a completely different work ethic?

Change can be uncomfortable, but success remains elusive. So why not try something different?

 

[al secord]

Let Matty milk every dime from another team. Its clear he doesn't give a f*** about winning.
Look at the post series interviews from McDavid & Draisaitl vs Matthews and Marner.

Compare this:



to this:




Then compare both duos on ice performances. Its not even close.


Its not that bad YET.

I'm all for going back to Stajan and Bozak as first line centers . I hate elite talent too.

 

[Northernguy10]

I think I'll wait til I hear the other side of the story before I form an opinion...