Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[ToneDog]

Sorry, but Kyle Dubas was the whole organization?

Betting the sun comes up tomorrow.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Shanahan chose Dubas.

Shouldn't Shanahan be fired, too?

Prolly but Board has faith in him and hopes to figure it out.

Troubling times.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Shanny basically said that. After seeing Kyle's presser, he changed his opinion and you gotta let the guy do that. We always alter our beliefs when new evidence is presented.

Shanahan wanted Dubas as the guy. But Dubas comes out and says basically, you know what I don't know if I can commit to this team or if I still want to be GM.

Once he said that, Shanahan basically made his decision like alright we need someone here with a clear vision and plan who is committed to making this team into a cup winner.

Dubas said that the last year was hard for him and his family, and he didn't know if he could put his family through that again. He said that he needed time to speak with them. Not unfair IMO.

He also said that he did not have it in him to be anywhere else.

Not sure why he interpreted it so negatively TBH. To the point where he no longer thought he was the right guy for the job. Makes no sense to me

I think Brendan was clearly ass hurt by the counter by Dubas, and was not going to let Dubas alpha him even though Shanny needs Dubby more than Dubby needs Shanny

 

[mapleleafs34]

I'm a BIG Dubas guy but I am ALL ABOARD the Shanaplan baby. Lets see it!!!

 

[29Potvin]

Anyone wanna point to a post where someone might have outlined what he said or do a brief summar: coles notes version? I am just getting home

thanks in advance!

Dubas played chicken with Shanny and Shanny called hos bluff

 

[Menzinger]

I'd love for this to happen just ton seen the heads explode

 

[Ciao]

I think Shanny has 2 years left, if there aren't any results he's gone as well.

I don't think Shanahan is out of the woods on this.

Let's see how far the drama unfolds.

 

[3blizzard4]

I'd love for this to happen just ton seen the heads explode

The trade JT to Isles. Full circle baby!

 

[River Meadow]

I'm a BIG Dubas guy but I am ALL ABOARD the Shanaplan baby. Lets see it!!!

The Shanaplan just failed.

Dubas was Shanahan's guy.

Hello?

lol

 

[sxvnert]

Dubas really gave a masterclass on how not to play negotiations lmfao

He played the only card he could but failed.

 

[Morgs]

Sorry, but Kyle Dubas was the whole organization?

Nope, but he made the front office, coaching staff, and the players loyal to him and people all over twitter saying they're furious. You think guys like Matthews, Rielly, Tavares, and Nylander who are all known to have very strong relationships with Dubas (and Spezza) are going to just take this?

What's to stop them from demanding trades? Whats to stop high ranking members of the FO from resigning with Spezza? The more that comes out the more the organization has clearly botched the whole process.

 

[thewave]

You believe Kyle Dubas would put his family's name into the mouth of the media all for the sake of saving face, for optics? That's the kind of guy he strikes you as? There's no need to build a road here, he was already not offered an extension last year, the lane is paved and lit. Preserve his reputation? Have you read this thread?

It was a strange thing to do and he certainly didn't do it because he thought it out. That is, unless he planned it out knowing he was not being extended. Perhaps he was front-running the decision making it about him to save face.

We don't really know what is coming down from the higher ups.

This isn't about signing a contract or drafting a couple kids, it's about properly valuing and making a decision on a 100pt Selke finalist in a very narrow window of time. That decision is going to have a legacy 10 years long. And you fire the GM a month before? Fire him afterwards, holy shit.

Well history shows he didn't manage those signings well in the first place. On the bright side, if it's Pridham doing the negotiations, he will have every counter argument to the player agents numbers.

You should be happy, change is good.

 

[TMLegend]

Hahaha say goodbye to all the players that want to come here!!!

Matthews and Nylander likely as good as gone when they refuse to re-sign in a few weeks. Marner to follow next season and we'll be forced to sell for peanuts. Joke organization squeezed all the goodwill out.

Let em leave if it comes to that. The Leafs existed before they came here, they'll be here after they're gone. Maybe you can go with them though?

 

[DarkKnight]

 

[Tak7]

“* Told Kyle he didn't want to meet with media until clarity was gained on Kyle's situation. Told Kyle he thought he souldn't meet media either, but Kyle was adament he wanted to speak. Felt it was important.”

To me, this is the strangest part. Why was it important? What’s the thinking behind this?

I wouldn't read too deeply into it, beyond Dubas prefers to address the fans/media on exit interview day.

 

[Stephen]

Re-watching Shanahan , and the thing that I find astounding, is he only learns that Dubas is unsure of returning at a media event. They talked the day prior, many times after the season, and Dubas drops this bomb in front of the press. What the actual f*** is that? How professional or “ethical” is that move? It’s unreal.

Kyle is all kinds of shady here.

If that press conference didn't happen and he just talked to Brendan about his home pressures, cleared things up with his wife, and asked for more money to stay on with whatever conditions behind closed doors, we'd probably have a very different press conference Friday afternoon. Business as usual, no idea about the sausage making process.

How is a guy from the Lou Lamoriello school of using time if you have it and a cone of silence telling all like Prince Harry and not keeping things in house? He didn't use time to get things in order and he blathered on his organization. The organization he's supposed to be leading and championing to free agents...

 

[Ciao]

Dubas had a playbook in mind all along.

Shanny clearly told him dont do the Monday presser until we have something signed. But Dubas knew what he was doing. He played the ole Wifey card and had the city eating out of this hand.

Dubas absolutely should have followed Shanahan's advice.

 

[LBloor]

Then all three will be traded before July 1st. A new core will emerge.

Haven't won shit with them, trade them if they don't want to play here.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Dubas said that the last year was hard for him and his family, and he didn't know if he could put his family through that again. He said that he needed time to speak with them. Not unfair IMO.

He also said that he did not have it in him to be anywhere else.

Not sure why he interpreted it so negatively TBH. To the point where he no longer thought he was the right guy for the job. Makes no sense to me

I think Brendan was clearly ass hurt by the counter by Dubas, and was not going to let Dubas alpha him even though Shanny needs Dubby more than Dubby needs Shanny

Yeah of the two, I’m much more confident Dubas gets another GM or better job than Shanny getting another president or better job. Regardless of who’s side you’re on, a president allowing himself to be in the situation to be blindsided like this with no backup plan going into an offseason this important is a career ender.

A president with bad judgement can do a lot more long-lasting damage than a GM with bad judgement.

 

[Morgs]

Let em leave if it comes to that. The Leafs existed before they came here, they'll be here after they're gone. Maybe you can go with them though?

I can't wait to miss playoffs for another 10 years straight because the organization botched a GM deal so bad

 

[therealkoho]

What if Dubas was told to move 2 of the 4 and didn't want to do it because of what he promised

 

[rumman]

Betting the sun comes up tomorrow.

Sunshine, lollipops………

 

[myleafs]

Based on the presser, it seems like they thought it was a done deal until 3PM on Monday.

They'd been working on this for months.

Shanny feels betrayed and if his story is the closer to the truth version then he has every right to be.

 

[sxvnert]

I'd love for this to happen just ton seen the heads explode

Interesting. Actually makes sense since the Isles eventually need someone to take over for Lou.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Nope, but he made the front office, coaching staff, and the players loyal to him and people all over twitter saying they're furious. You think guys like Matthews, Rielly, Tavares, and Nylander who are all known to have very strong relationships with Dubas (and Spezza) are going to just take this?

What's to stop them from demanding trades? Whats to stop high ranking members of the FO from resigning with Spezza? The more that comes out the more the organization has clearly botched the whole process.

Hopefully the players have enough professionalism to not force their way out just because Dubas is now gone. But if they do, then it would really say a lot about them and not in a good way