Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

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that seems normal and reasonable though? i'm sure being the leafs GM and living in Toronto it's going to cause some stress for a young family. And that might cause you to deliberate on whether this is worthwhile. yea not the best pitch for keeping your job but also seems honest and reasonable.
you don't say that in a press conference though. You're announcing to the world that you don't have the stones to see things through. Is that the type of person you want making high profile decisions?

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you're correct it is honest and reasonable but it's also honest and reasonable to not want someone like that running your Billion dollar organization.
 
Is it me, or is Shanahan not getting enough heat here?

From the press especially. He didn't get a single difficult question and a lot of media guys are running interference for him.

Regardless of how one feels about Dubas - Shanny is the president, and was supposed to have a plan for how he was going to approach this offseason, and now it's clear whatever plan he had just went up in smoke in a blink of an eye and he's scrambling to figure out what comes next.

It's absolutely infuriating
 
For the record. I have absolutely no problem with Shanny deciding to move on from Kyle. If he felt like he wasn't the right guy for the job, then I can respect that. But he openly told everyone today that he felt comfortable extending Kyle at the TDL, and that continued to be the case at the end of the season. Yet, here we are today, without a GM. Without the GM that Brendon thought was the right guy for the job less then 5 days ago.

This was an emotional decision by Shanny. He has no Shanaplan at this point.

It's so refreshing seeing a good post on this website once and a while.
 
I don't buy either. I think he wanted a change and wants to go somewhere else
He asked for the moon just to see if he'll get it or he wanted MLSE to fire him

That way he can always say, well I wanted to stay. But MLSE didn't want me
What about the Leafs or bust comment at his presser? This twirp was schooling everyone for more power and money, no doubt tried to get Shanahan axed in the process……..
 
For the record. I have absolutely no problem with Shanny deciding to move on from Kyle. If he felt like he wasn't the right guy for the job, then I can respect that. But he openly told everyone today that he felt comfortable extending Kyle at the TDL, and that continued to be the case at the end of the season. Yet, here we are today, without a GM. Without the GM that Brendon thought was the right guy for the job less then 5 days ago.

This was an emotional decision by Shanny. He has no Shanaplan at this point.
Shanaplan.?!

Lol. Man.
 
Yea I agree with that. Dubas being unprofessional in the media isn't a surprise though.

I just think Shanahan should be firing him on merit already. It shouldn't have come to a point where Kyle f***ed up the negotiations and got tossed

I tend to side with the organization because that’s where my loyalties lie. Just like when Rasmus Sandin was me, me, me. I supported Kyle in playing hardball with him.
 
For the record. I have absolutely no problem with Shanny deciding to move on from Kyle. If he felt like he wasn't the right guy for the job, then I can respect that. But he openly told everyone today that he felt comfortable extending Kyle at the TDL, and that continued to be the case at the end of the season. Yet, here we are today, without a GM. Without the GM that Brendon thought was the right guy for the job less then 5 days ago.

This was an emotional decision by Shanny. He has no Shanaplan at this point.
Very well said. Shanny isn't definitely getting enough heat for what just happened.

I am wondering if Shanny just thinks MLSE can just offer the money and will move to it.
 
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For the record. I have absolutely no problem with Shanny deciding to move on from Kyle. If he felt like he wasn't the right guy for the job, then I can respect that. But he openly told everyone today that he felt comfortable extending Kyle at the TDL, and that continued to be the case at the end of the season. Yet, here we are today, without a GM. Without the GM that Brendon thought was the right guy for the job less then 5 days ago.

This was an emotional decision by Shanny. He has no Shanaplan at this point.

Also because the guy he thought was the right guy went out and said, he doesn't know if he wants to be GM anymore, he doesn't know where his commitments are.
 
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For the record. I have absolutely no problem with Shanny deciding to move on from Kyle. If he felt like he wasn't the right guy for the job, then I can respect that. But he openly told everyone today that he felt comfortable extending Kyle at the TDL, and that continued to be the case at the end of the season. Yet, here we are today, without a GM. Without the GM that Brendon thought was the right guy for the job less then 5 days ago.

This was an emotional decision by Shanny. He has no Shanaplan at this point.

Same here.

But at the end of the day, new information can make you form new opinions and change your mind. Seems like Shanahan was sincere in wanting him back to keep working on what they started but Dubas gave a lot of doubt to that on what he said publicly and made even bigger demands that they talked about, to the point where it wasn't even in the same ballpark they had talked about.

He's entitled to those demands, but Shanahan and the Leafs are entitled to also change their mind. It goes both ways. Dubas decided to go that route, presumably with advice from his agent and family, and unfortunately it didn't work out for him.
 
Def both guys ego’s. I guess we have to hear Dubas’ side on how much micromangement there was in this last year. But it seems dumb that he had the offer and couldn’t just take the deal if he really wanted to be here. He tried to leverage the situation and it back fired

I'm sure we will Dubas leaks everything to the media
 
Sounds like he wasn't sure if him or his family were up for the job, and then threw a new offer for more money and different terms at the last second. Money doesn't make the job less stressful if you are already a multi millionaire.
 
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Does no one reemember its do or die this
He was a so-called “Draft Guru” yet all his non-first round picks have flamed out.
The constantly need to draft undersized players after round one didn't help either. Luckily he adjusted this rule and drafted Knies.
 
If I’m a NHL team presiden and just saw what happened I’m not touching him with a barge pole, it turns out HE’S been the cncer in the Leafs organization all along…….

I have a hard time seeing another front office with ex-NHLers looking at Kyle Dubas’ dramatic exit and thinking “that’s the x-factor we need in an otherwise conservative, buttoned up, cone of silence operation.”
 
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I really hope this doesn't happen, but if we bring in an experienced GM like Holland for example (his time should be coming up), and Dubas goes to another team. I see Dubas' team doing a lot better than ours.
I mean you also laughed at the moves Sakic made last year at the deadline, as they marched their way to the cup, so you saying Dubas's new team is going to be better than ours, makes me feel that the leafs new GM will have a lot of success and probably win a cup. great things coming to the leafs! cant wait!
 
Dubas’ Oprah moment on Monday was a big error. I’m more glad he’s gone after hearing how this went down, Dubas looks weak and soft.

Hiring this woke GM is exactly what we got as team culture too.

Matthews and Marner can finally be disciplined… without the coach apologizing.

Can’t wait for Marner to be traded.
Matthews can learn to have a new best bud.

Grow up time boys. Dubas is gone.
 
Id be interested to hear from Dubas, but if he upped the price at this point in negotiations it isnt a good look or very professional.
 
From the press especially. He didn't get a single difficult question and a lot of media guys are running interference for him.

Regardless of how one feels about Dubas - Shanny is the president, and was supposed to have a plan for how he was going to approach this offseason, and now it's clear whatever plan he had just went up in smoke in a blink of an eye and he's scrambling to figure out what comes next.

It's absolutely infuriating
He's just starting the search for replacement now? Put all his eggs in Kyle's basket before assessing how they perform in the playoffs despite being abject failures for 6 years in a row. And now makes an emotionally-charged decision which ownership backs because he's absolute Teflon Shanny. This guy is running the organization into the ground.

Kyle messed up bad and is 100% at fault for his decisions/actions, which were pathetic and soft like his teams, but Shanny getting off scot free is a bloody joke
 
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I've never been an active poster here but HFLeafs is one of my only "check every day multiple times" websites. I don't agree with a lot of what gets said here but this website has been my "Leafs community" for the better part of 15 years. It's been great to see a lot of long-term members come back for these playoffs (looking at you Squiffy) and it's unfortunate that this season ended the way it did. I guess this is my season/Dubas post-mortem, so I apologize for the length of this post.

I think it's fair game to debate whether Dubas was a good GM in his tenure here. I think it's fair game to debate whether the Core 4 are good enough to win the Cup. I think it's fair game to debate whether Shanahan has done enough to keep his job. I think it's fair game to debate whether what Dubas said on Monday was a negotiating tactic (as opposed to an ill-advised moment of absolute honesty). In all likelihood, these will be points of contention for the fanbase for the foreseeable future.

However, whether you hate or love Dubas, I feel that the way things went down the past week have been a pretty terrible look for the organization as whole. Shanny's presser today has me feeling pessimistic for the future and I'll try to explain why. As full disclosure, I was more in favour of Dubas staying than leaving but I would not have been opposed to replacing Dubas with a concrete plan for improvement in place.

Here's (exactly) what Dubas said at his presser on Monday with regards to whether he wanted to stay on as Leafs GM (I transcribed this myself):

"But probably, more importantly, I'll speak to my wife Shannon and our family here in the tonight, tomorrow, see where we're at as a family and see how we want to proceed with everything. This has been a you, know, just learning in the past couple of days, a taxing year on them and that's obviously very important to me. So, we'll go through all that and we'll all make our decisions and roll from there."

Chris Johnston: Do you still have it in you? Do you still want to run the Maple Leafs?
"What I would say to that is that, I think it requires me to have a full family discussion Chris. So I can't, my family is a hugely important part of what I do. So, for me to commit to anything without having a fuller understanding of what this year took on them is probably unfair for me to answer where I'm at. I wish I could give you more but we haven't been able to have those full discussions yet. But it was a very hard year on them and thus it's, tough for me to... What I would say is that, I'm not gonna, I don't have it in me to go anywhere else. So it'll either be here or it'll be taking time to recalibrate, reflect on the seasons here. But you won't see me next week pop up elsewhere, I don't, I can't put them through that after this year"

Pierre Lebrun: I just want to be precise on this, you're either going to be Leafs GM again or take time away from the game...?
Dubas: "That's correct"

I think it's fair game to debate whether these comments show that Dubas didn't have the capacity to continue as GM. But what upsets me is that these comments caused Shanahan (who by his own account was completely in favour of bringing Dubas back on the basis of Dubas' performance the past season prior to Monday morning) to completely reverse course on brining Dubas back. Either Dubas was good enough to continue as Leafs GM or he wasn't. What Dubas said on Monday, in my opinion, was not enough for Shanny to completely change his mind on Dubas like he did today.

To be clear, I think what Dubas said was quite stupid (especially in hindsight). However, for Shanny to get rid of Dubas with no backup GM contemplated at all, to take four business days to reach this decision, to engage in his own form of "he said, she said" in front of the media and to do all of this in the face of the most important month and a half for the franchise is terrible leadership and doesn't bode well for the future. It's reactionary and it's the opposite of the meritocracy that we all likely want to see implemented in this franchise.

At the end of today, I feel that: the Leafs are without a GM who, according to management itself, performed well enough to return in that capacity, the Leafs are no closer to an adequate replacement for Dubas, the Leafs are no closer to decisions on what to do with 34/16/88 and the Leafs are no closer to any concrete plan to improving the team in the offseason.

You can be happy Dubas and most probably Keefe are gone. But I don't see how the past week inspires confidence in anyone with an eye to the future. For the Dubas haters, enjoy your "pound of flesh" (I say this sincerely... today is a good day for people who don't like Dubas). But I find it very difficult to feel that the Leafs are in a better place now without Dubas for the reasons Shanny gave at his presser.
 
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