Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[rumman]

I believe he's buddies with some sucker at Fenway Sports so it's likely another Kyle con job.

knee pads........definitely knee pads..........

 

[socko]

Kyle Dubas the super smart data driven nerd...... doubtful.
Kyle Dubas the slippery used car salesman....... no doubt.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

So much for the leafs or nothing

The guy was a total liar

 

[Warden of the North]

It's always the same: another unhealthy hate for all things Toronto.

Then turn and complain how everything is ALWAYS about the Leafs. They can't help themselves from obsessing about the team.

 

[justashadowof]

This new narrative of Brendan Shanahan the micro manager sure took hold. It wasn't that long ago that everyone thought of him the team's absentee New York City residing president.

Fortunately for Pittsburgh's next general manager, Kyle Dubas knows the grinding heartbreak of being micro managed to death by your boss. I can't for the life of me imagine Kyle Dubas believing he knows better than the man he'll employ to run his team day to day.

 

[LeafsFan89]

Shanny decided to withdraw his offer. Not fire. Just not giving Kyle a new contract in TOR. Rutherford runs the Canucks. Dubas can't fire him. Dubas will be President of hockey ops. He will likely have a steady AGM, but will likely want to make decisions about drafting, trades, UFAs etc.

Dubas' contract was supposed to be done on June 30th. He was fired.

Regardless, I liked the things Brad said in his presser. We'll see what he can do.

 

[Apex Predator]

This is great news that the penguins hired him. Should move some of the rift raft here to the penguins board.

 

[Statsman1]

Treliving: ”So, Kyle, now you need some goaltending, and you were a believer in Matt Murray….”

Dubas: “BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!” *click*

 

[Zero1]

I think it’s clear what happened now.

Pens through back channels offered Dubas the President job. He had that in his back pocket. That’s why he went back and asked for a new financial package.

He wanted similar pay and autonomy as the Pens job.

 

[stickty111]

Going from Burke/Hexstal to Dubas/whoever is quite an upgrade. Dubas played this perfectly. The criticism he is getting in this thread doesn't make sense honestly. At least there seems to be a rivalry here which is cool.

 

[KMNRB]

Dubas Presser:

Dubas just said "maybe i was too honest that day with how i was feeling in that moment.... but thats in the past" regarding his press conference with the Leafs on May 15th. Then gave an awkward smile. I feel like he regret saying what he said that day.

The day after he was fired (May 20th), he got a call from Sam (the Pens) saying they wanted to talk to him about the job. Dubas says he didnt want to talk because he and his wife wanted to take "breather as that was their intention from earlier in the week (leafs presser on May 15th)" but his wife told him to "go in and at least meet with them (Pens ownership) ... [because] going to be a great fit for you".

Seems like the family comments was negotiating. How can his wife have problems prior to the Monday to come back with the Leafs? Where he needs to think about re-signing with an org you were with for 9 years and less than 6 days later, his wife is encouraging him to go to another organization in another country?

Perhaps his logic goes like this: when I become the boss (the president) I won't have the same pressure as I do as a GM working my ass off. Then his wife is ok as him being the president (anywhere) than as a GM.

 

[mapleleafs34]

In the end, throwing out all of that family and autonomy horsesh**, this was always nothing more than a transparent play for power by a corporate climber. He wanted a promotion and that president title over winning. It's very very unlikely that there is another championship with that geriatric crew of hall of famers.

This exactly. I doubt he was going to take another GM job.

 

[phillipmike]

I think it’s clear what happened now.

Pens through back channels offered Dubas the President job. He had that in his back pocket. That’s why he went back and asked for a new financial package.

He wanted similar pay and autonomy as the Pens job.

I got that too. On May 15th he needs time to think about it and his family needs a breather. Gets fired on May 19th. The morning of May 20th he says he needs to take a breather as he discussed with his wife and later that day his wife tells him to talk to them. Then 6-7 days later he accepts the job on "Saturday or Sunday" (May 27th or 28th)

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Going from Burke/Hexstal to Dubas/whoever is quite an upgrade. Dubas played this perfectly. The criticism he is getting in this thread doesn't make sense honestly. At least there seems to be a rivalry here which is cool.

You don't see why the team's GM, one considered the best GM in the franchise's last 50 years by some around here, angling for a position with another team doesn't elicit criticism? If anything, the criticism towards Dubas should be even harsher, especially after that phoney sob story press conference he blessed us with 10 days ago.

 

[Future]

Kyle Dubas is literally a nobody to me from now on. Have no ill feelings towards him. It's a business at the end of the day, but I did notice he had no words of appreciation about Toronto and the organization who actually gave him his first shot. Not sure if I missed it but that's a deliberate miss IMO.

First thing Brad Treliving did was thank the people in Calgary, went name by name.

Illustrates the difference between a genuinely good person and a man that’ll say and do whatever it takes to climb the ladder.

 

[jaric1862]

He’s going to poach Brandon Pridham when he gets the chance

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yohe: Kyle Dubas, Penguins are a match made in hockey heaven

Kyle Dubas fits the Penguins mold in a number of ways. It was meant to be.

theathletic.com

The job facing Dubas is daunting, make no mistake.

Consider what awaits him in Pittsburgh:

• He needs to figure out who his goaltender is. Tristan Jarry is an unrestricted free agent come July 1. He’s talented but as unpredictable as Pittsburgh weather in March. It’s not an easy choice. Do you keep Jarry? Do you let him walk? What’s the plan?

• The Penguins’ blue line is a problem. Kris Letang and Marcus Pettersson are quality, top-four performers. Otherwise, there are major issues. Jeff Petry and Jan Rutta never really fit. Brian Dumoulin is an unrestricted free agent and is probably gone. Is Pierre-Olivier Joseph capable of being an everyday, top-six player? What’s the deal with Ty Smith?

• The Penguins’ top six are very good but old. The rest of the forwards are something of a disaster. Hextall’s bottom six were putrid. Who stays? Who’s gone? Do you buy out Mikael Granlund? What do you do with Jeff Carter? Then, there are all of those no-trade clauses.

Yes, the Penguins job comes with potential pitfalls in every direction.

But of all the available candidates, I can’t imagine anyone with a higher ceiling than Dubas. He has his detractors. Doesn’t everybody? Rutherford still takes heat from some fans — two Cups in seven years apparently isn’t enough to satisfy everyone.

Still, Dubas was the right choice. I heard universal praise about him from so many people around the NHL. He’s smart. Really, really smart. He thinks outside the box.

That’s probably what the Penguins need. Though their situation isn’t hopeless, they can’t rightfully be viewed as a Stanley Cup contender right now. Major, sweeping changes are needed. But all is not lost.

The Penguins still have Crosby, and there are few better foundations in all of sports than No. 87. They have plenty of other talented forwards and, of note, they’ll have more than $20 million in cap space this summer.

Completely reinventing the Penguins in one offseason would seem difficult, especially when half of the league is looking to dump unflattering contracts. Dubas’ job isn’t for the faint of heart.

Still, it’s hardly impossible.

"He needs to figure out who his goaltender is", "blueline is a problem", "bottom six were putrid".

Sounds just like the Leafs for virtually his whole time here, and he never did fix any of it.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

He’s going to poach Brandon Pridham when he gets the chance

Go ahead, then when he wants to fire Sullivan who will he run to? There’s no Shanahan to cower behind. He’s gonna have to grow a pair and do things like a man

Knowing the way he works though, he will probably just send him a text

 

[CDN24]

First thing Brad Treliving did was thank the people in Calgary, went name by name.

Illustrates the difference between a genuinely good person and a man that’ll say and do whatever it takes to climb the ladder.

Or the difference between a guy that left on his terms and a guy that got thrown to the curb.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Dubas Presser:

Dubas just said "maybe i was too honest that day with how i was feeling in that moment.... but thats in the past" regarding his press conference with the Leafs on May 15th. Then gave an awkward smile. I feel like he regret saying what he said that day.

The day after he was fired (May 20th), he got a call from Sam (the Pens) saying they wanted to talk to him about the job. Dubas says he didnt want to talk because he and his wife wanted to take "breather as that was their intention from earlier in the week (leafs presser on May 15th)" but his wife told him to "go in and at least meet with them (Pens ownership) ... [because] its going to be a great fit for you".

Seems like the family comments was negotiating. How can his wife have problems prior to the Monday to come back with the Leafs? Where he needs to think about re-signing with an org you were with for 9 years and less than 6 days later, his wife is encouraging him to go to another organization in another country?

I think it's clear that negotiations were looking bleak and Shanahan decided they shouldn't address media until it was sorted.

Dubas went to the media anyway and said all of that stuff. So then when it didn't work out Shanahan had to address the media and give his side.

I agree with Shanahan. It would have been better if neither went to the media and neither giving any info. Just something like "We were unable to come to an agreement" and leave it at that.

The way it happened wasn't really a good look.

 

[Stephen]

he is. but again i don't think you should be hypocritical about it either. or how you said - don't paint yourself as the Good Human (or he innocent little lamb).

to be fair, I really don't care. per usual once you are not a part of this organization I don't really have time for you and he wasn't my favouritest person in the world (and he wasn't whom i wanted for the job when he first got hired) so whatever

Yeah I hear you on the hypocrisy piece. I see a disconnect between the “lamb”presentation and the aggressive maneuvering in real life. Be a cutthroat and be okay with people seeing you as a cutthroat. And begone.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Perhaps his logic goes like this: when I become the boss (the president) I won't have the same pressure as I do as a GM working my ass off. Then his wife is ok as him being the president (anywhere) than as a GM.

Yep. I'd wager there is about a million times more media pressure being the Maple Leafs gm compared to President of the Penguins.

 

[Stephen]

First thing Brad Treliving did was thank the people in Calgary, went name by name.

Illustrates the difference between a genuinely good person and a man that’ll say and do whatever it takes to climb the ladder.

He thanked the people in Phoenix when he was hired in Calgary.

As far as Dubas’ introduction in Pittsburgh. It’s damn well 30 degrees in Toronto today. Don’t need more hot air.

 

[The Masters]

Dubas the clown

why isnt he the GM? He was GM for a cup of coffee and now he needs to hire a GM under him at 37

this guy got such an ego

I woulda booted him 3 yrs ago

 

[Peasy]

Yohe: Kyle Dubas, Penguins are a match made in hockey heaven

Kyle Dubas fits the Penguins mold in a number of ways. It was meant to be.

theathletic.com

The job facing Dubas is daunting, make no mistake.

Consider what awaits him in Pittsburgh:

• He needs to figure out who his goaltender is. Tristan Jarry is an unrestricted free agent come July 1. He’s talented but as unpredictable as Pittsburgh weather in March. It’s not an easy choice. Do you keep Jarry? Do you let him walk? What’s the plan?

• The Penguins’ blue line is a problem. Kris Letang and Marcus Pettersson are quality, top-four performers. Otherwise, there are major issues. Jeff Petry and Jan Rutta never really fit. Brian Dumoulin is an unrestricted free agent and is probably gone. Is Pierre-Olivier Joseph capable of being an everyday, top-six player? What’s the deal with Ty Smith?

• The Penguins’ top six are very good but old. The rest of the forwards are something of a disaster. Hextall’s bottom six were putrid. Who stays? Who’s gone? Do you buy out Mikael Granlund? What do you do with Jeff Carter? Then, there are all of those no-trade clauses.

Yes, the Penguins job comes with potential pitfalls in every direction.

But of all the available candidates, I can’t imagine anyone with a higher ceiling than Dubas. He has his detractors. Doesn’t everybody? Rutherford still takes heat from some fans — two Cups in seven years apparently isn’t enough to satisfy everyone.

Still, Dubas was the right choice. I heard universal praise about him from so many people around the NHL. He’s smart. Really, really smart. He thinks outside the box.

That’s probably what the Penguins need. Though their situation isn’t hopeless, they can’t rightfully be viewed as a Stanley Cup contender right now. Major, sweeping changes are needed. But all is not lost.

The Penguins still have Crosby, and there are few better foundations in all of sports than No. 87. They have plenty of other talented forwards and, of note, they’ll have more than $20 million in cap space this summer.

Completely reinventing the Penguins in one offseason would seem difficult, especially when half of the league is looking to dump unflattering contracts. Dubas’ job isn’t for the faint of heart.

Still, it’s hardly impossible.

Honest question, what did Dubas do here that was outside the box? We heard this shit before he was hired here, yet I never saw it happen...