Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Throw More Waffles]

I don’t understand how anyone can still take Dubas’ family card at face value, when he’s bagged another gig two weeks after he said he wouldn’t put them through that. If anyone else showed that naked duplicity, you’d be raking him over the coals, but the Dube gets a free pass? He leaves here with a stench.

I don't know...

I would argue being the GM of the maple leafs would be A LOT more difficult on their family than President of Pittsburgh Penguins.

Other than Shanahan, how many other nhl team Presidents are EVER in the media?

Dubas clearly knew this job was on the table (as he specifically stated he would only be "gm" in Toronto) and used it as leverage. If he was going to stay in Toronto and face all of that crazy media scrutiny, he was only doing it under a MASSIVE overpayment. Otherwise, Pittsburgh it is.

 

[Daisy Jane]

So.. let me get this straight -
Kyle Dubas basically wanted more power and automony
Shananan said no. and fired him
So now Kyle gets to be President... and basically put the GM under him in the same position that Dubas himself didn't like? [or is he going to fire Rutherford and be President & GM]

because quite frankly... that's very scuzzy and hypocritical

 

[57 Years No Cup]

So.. let me get this straight -
Kyle Dubas basically wanted more power and automony
Shananan said no. and fired him
So now Kyle gets to be President... and basically put the GM under him in the same position that Dubas himself didn't like? [or is he going to fire Rutherford and be President & GM]

because quite frankly... that's very scuzzy and hypocritical

 

[ToneDog]

I don't know...

I would argue being the GM of the maple leafs would be A LOT more difficult on their family than President of Pittsburgh Penguins.

Other than Shanahan, how many other nhl team Presidents are EVER in the media?

Dubas clearly knew this job was on the table (as he specifically stated he would only be "gm" in Toronto) and used it as leverage. If he was going to stay in Toronto and face all of that crazy media scrutiny, he was only doing it under a MASSIVE overpayment. Otherwise, Pittsburgh it is.

If that is the case, there are better ways to present it to Leafs' management. No idea what he was thinking by playing it the way he did. Then again, I am not a lying weasel so it should be no surprise.

 

[Martin Skoula]

In the end, throwing out all of that family and autonomy horsesh**, this was always nothing more than a transparent play for power by a corporate climber. He wanted a promotion and that president title over winning. It's very very unlikely that there is another championship with that geriatric crew of hall of famers.

Alternatively he was openly planning on trading one or more of the core 4, knew that this would result in unhinged fans (like some of the people with 50+ posts about his treacherous ways in this thread) being extra unhinged and having this spill over onto his family, and needed more autonomy to make the trades the team needs because MLSE suits don’t want to see one of their cash cows traded for less glamorous parts.

If I was about to trade hometown boy Marner, I’d probably give my family a heads up and check that they’re ok with being harassed for years if the trade goes south.

I guarantee you “everything is on the table” scared MLSE and their puppet Shanahan a hell of a lot more than the money or the hesitancy. They’ve been in damage control with the core 4 ever since and happened to hire a guy who, completely of his own volition, wants to keep them and “protect them”.

 

[egd27]

I’m actually a bit surprised he was able to get a promotion with another organization..

Not sure how his experience translates to that

I believe he's buddies with some sucker at Fenway Sports so it's likely another Kyle con job.

 

[Leaf Fans]

So.. let me get this straight -
Kyle Dubas basically wanted more power and automony
Shananan said no. and fired him
So now Kyle gets to be President... and basically put the GM under him in the same position that Dubas himself didn't like? [or is he going to fire Rutherford and be President & GM]

because quite frankly... that's very scuzzy and hypocritical

He can make himself as GM. He can hire Mark Hunter as GM.

 

[egd27]

Now he can finally have the shackles removed and bring in some Soo connections…

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They've booked a Greyhound bus for mid June to travel together.

 

[KMNRB]

Pretty much yes. By Dubas going for a power ploy it forced Shanahan in desperation to take off his rose coloured glasses and see that Dubas has been an awful GM and also a complete weirdo that yells at fans and jumped around like Simple Jack when he vicariously won a Calder cup. It’s too bad Shanny couldn’t go as well but that should happen soon enough.

Is Dubas going to streamline himself out of major hockey decisions as a president of hockey operations like he wanted to do so to the president in Toronto?

Obviously, streamlining decision-making is the same as taking over the role of the president. Just a rhetorical manipulation by his supporters to make him look better.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Dubas is such a clown.

"It's all about the stress on my family" (but more money will fix that).
"You won't see me working anywhere else for a while" (so close your eyes while I go work in Pittsburgh).

 

[hockeywiz542]

I believe he's buddies with some sucker at Fenway Sports so it's likely another Kyle con job.

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The son of former long-time Toronto Blue Jays and Major League Baseball executive Paul Beeston, he currently resides in Boston with his wife, Katie, and sons, Bobby and Jack.

 

[Stephen]

So.. let me get this straight -
Kyle Dubas basically wanted more power and automony
Shananan said no. and fired him
So now Kyle gets to be President... and basically put the GM under him in the same position that Dubas himself didn't like? [or is he going to fire Rutherford and be President & GM]

because quite frankly... that's very scuzzy and hypocritical

I think Dubas is free to be as cut throat and Machiavellian as he wants to be. He’s building his career and has accomplished more in the game than guys a couple decades older and poised to do even more. Very impressive before the age of 40. He’s free to ask for whatever he wants (others are free to say no).

I guess my big comment is do all that stuff. Great. Just don’t frame it like you’re such a Good Human. That last part just is just overkill.

 

[Stephen]

Dubas is such a clown.

"It's all about the stress on my family" (but more money will fix that).
"You won't see me working anywhere else for a while" (so close your eyes while I go work in Pittsburgh).

He said next week so it’s all technically correct.

 

[Antropovsky]

I'm assuming Dubas is going to want Pridham as his GM.

 

[rumman]

Gonna be nice to be on the right side of a Dubas trade. Wonder what he'd give up for Willie ?

if I'm BT I'm phoning boy wonder asap, "which of your mistakes do you want Kyle........."

 

[justashadowof]

Alternatively he was openly planning on trading one or more of the core 4, knew that this would result in unhinged fans (like some of the people with 50+ posts about his treacherous ways in this thread) being extra unhinged and having this spill over onto his family, and needed more autonomy to make the trades the team needs because MLSE suits don’t want to see one of their cash cows traded for less glamorous parts.

I guarantee you “everything is on the table” scared MLSE and their puppet Shanahan a hell of a lot more than the money or the hesitancy. They’ve been in damage control with the core 4 ever since and happened to hire a guy who, completely of his own volition, wants to keep them and “protect them”.

To paraphrase, it's not that he isn't a complete hypocrite, it's that he was never actually committed to what he repeatedly said he was committed to while he was here. And it turns out through one turn of a phrase he signaled to us all that he's really MORE committed to a hockey philosophy that was mostly absent in his drafting, trades and free agent signings.

 

[Daisy Jane]

I think Dubas is free to be as cut throat and Machiavellian as he wants to be. He’s building his career and has accomplished more in the game than guys a couple decades older and poised to do even more. Very impressive before the age of 40. He’s free to ask for whatever he wants (others are free to say no).

I guess my big comment is do all that stuff. Great. Just don’t frame it like you’re such a Good Human. That last part just is just overkill.

he is. but again i don't think you should be hypocritical about it either. or how you said - don't paint yourself as the Good Human (or he innocent little lamb).

to be fair, I really don't care. per usual once you are not a part of this organization I don't really have time for you and he wasn't my favouritest person in the world (and he wasn't whom i wanted for the job when he first got hired) so whatever

 

[Cor]

some of ya'll weird lmao

 

[justashadowof]

Gonna be nice to be on the right side of a Dubas trade. Wonder what he'd give up for Willie ?

Draft picks, draft picks, draft picks! 3 of Pittsburgh's next 5 1sts not lottery protected.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yes, the Leafs have always lost in the playoffs with this group. They have zero conference finals appearances in 7 years, let alone a championship. The closest this team has gotten is 5 of the required 16 wins, which is not remotely close. I did ask you what your criteria for a winning team was and didn't exactly get a clear answer, so I'll just assume that your only standard for success is a team that's been built by Dubas

This has nothing to do with Dubas, and it's disappointing that you've joined the group that yells that whenever somebody disagrees with them about the team. Every team that didn't win the cup lost in the playoffs with their group. That doesn't automatically mean that they weren't a contender, or cup-caliber, and even if they weren't, it doesn't make them massively far away. Quite frankly, in this parity era, massively far away doesn't exist like it used to.

The difference here seems to be that you're defining how close a team is to being a cup-quality team exclusively by the round that team got to, whereas I am taking a much wider look at the quality indicators of a team, looking at the disparities between us and teams that have won, how the team performs, why they've lost, who they've faced, etc.

One of the best teams in the league, with the history and underlying metrics that support that as sustainable, with the stars, balance and depth necessary to win, that at least on the performance side generally performs well in the playoffs, is a contender that has the potential to win the cup. Most of the world agreed prior to the playoffs, even with the impact of past outcomes inserting bias. I don't see Vegas or Florida as these unbeatable behemoths that you seem to.

 

[phillipmike]

Dubas Presser:

Dubas just said "maybe i was too honest that day with how i was feeling in that moment.... but thats in the past" regarding his press conference with the Leafs on May 15th. Then gave an awkward smile. I feel like he regret saying what he said that day.

The day after he was fired (May 20th), he got a call from Sam (the Pens) saying they wanted to talk to him about the job. Dubas says he didnt want to talk because he and his wife wanted to take "breather as that was their intention from earlier in the week (leafs presser on May 15th)" but his wife told him to "go in and at least meet with them (Pens ownership) ... [because] its going to be a great fit for you".

Seems like the family comments was negotiating. How can his wife have problems prior to the Monday to come back with the Leafs? Where he needs to think about re-signing with an org you were with for 9 years and less than 6 days later, his wife is encouraging him to go to another organization in another country?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

So.. let me get this straight -
Kyle Dubas basically wanted more power and automony
Shananan said no. and fired him
So now Kyle gets to be President... and basically put the GM under him in the same position that Dubas himself didn't like? [or is he going to fire Rutherford and be President & GM]

because quite frankly... that's very scuzzy and hypocritical

Shanny decided to withdraw his offer. Not fire. Just not giving Kyle a new contract in TOR. Rutherford runs the Canucks. Dubas can't fire him. Dubas will be President of hockey ops. He will likely have a steady AGM, but will likely want to make decisions about drafting, trades, UFAs etc.

 

[Amadeus]

Kyle Dubas is literally a nobody to me from now on. Have no ill feelings towards him. It's a business at the end of the day, but I did notice he had no words of appreciation about Toronto and the organization who actually gave him his first shot. Not sure if I missed it but that's a deliberate miss IMO.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Kyle Dubas is literally a nobody to me from now on. Have no ill feelings towards him. It's a business at the end of the day, but I did notice he had no words of appreciation about Toronto and the organization who actually gave him his first shot. Not sure if I missed it but that's a deliberate miss IMO.

It's alright, give him a few years to screw it up.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

It's hilarious how the main board now loves Dubas.

It's always the same: another unhealthy hate for all things Toronto.