Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[justashadowof]

Is there a more passive aggressive thing to do than time your announcement just after your former team's announcement? It will be fun to track his time in that organization.

 

[tuckerintensity]

The timing is impeccable. Absolutely love it.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Alright you blind sychophants, it's time to



Ciao!

Pittsburgh Penguins

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[HomelessPepper]

He's gonna steal Pridham isn't he?

 

[TheFloater]

I bet he's going to try to poach Pridham as his GM or something.

 

[francis246]

Not denying your points, but I suspect there is 50 people in the NHL if not more who have those traits and competencies who dont even get the sniff for the job because they were not plastered all over TSN and the hockey world for the last 5 years.

I mean he was well sought after even as a 27/28 year old. He's a young hockey mind, I get what you're saying. But out of those 50, how many people are in their late 40's/50's. You'll get 4/5 years max out of them. Where as if you invest in someone young with new innovative ideas that will help reach new fans, it's a better return on your investment. I think this is a long term move for the Pens. They are going to need a younger, relatable guy to help usher in a new era of Pittsburgh. Look at the names that were rumoured to get the job before Dubas. I think Chyaka was also heavily considered as well.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I bet he's going to try to poach Pridham as his GM or something.

I think he will try.

 

[CelticDruid]

Is there a more passive aggressive thing to do than time your announcement just after your former team's announcement? It will be fun to track his time in that organization.

It's the Meghan Markle effect.

 

[Welsh Maple Leaf]

Good decision by Pittsburgh and Dubas. He will do well there.

While we are stuck with the coveted Shanaplan.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Last thing I expected was a defence of Joe Thornton.

Last thing I expected was a defense of the Joe Thornton trade. It was a horrible trade. One of the worst ever. Just because Boston had everything else go right around that time and eventually squeaked out one cup a half decade later against a decimated team, it doesn't make trading MVP Thornton for scraps a good move. They could have been such a better team through that time period.

I don't get how signing a free agent was/is largely based on luck.

Having him be available in the first place, and then having him turn into one of the best defensemen in a generation, is pretty lucky. Call it whatever you want, but the point is it's not exactly replicable.

If you're against trading any of those three players, how long do we stick with them if playoff results don't improve?

Outside of some crazy, unrealistic offer, I am against trading Mathews or Marner, because they are top tier franchise players that are next to impossible to replace with either individuals or collectively. Our playoff outcomes are the problem, not so much the underlying results, and while that sucks, you only need things to click once to win a cup.
Those are the type of trades that fans regret for generations. I certainly wouldn't be trading them at age 25 to go win cups elsewhere, that's for sure.

Of course championship caliber teams don't always win, but they don't always lose either. What exactly is your criteria for a championship caliber team that it includes a team that was never even remotely close to winning a cup?

We don't "always" lose, and some cup-caliber teams lose quite a bit before winning. I disagree with your claim that we were "never even remotely close to winning a cup". That seems to be entirely based on using round number a team gets to to conclude everything about a team and its comparative quality.

we didn't win 1 president's trophy or even win our own division (when it was TB/BOS/FLO).

That's a bit misleading, since we won a division, and winning the President's trophy and winning the Atlantic division has been the exact same thing since 2017-2018.
Being a 111+ point team for 3 years in a row in the cap era is insanely rare, for the record.

So your saying the leafs allocation of money is incorrect? They should be like Montreal, Tampa and Florida and put 9.5 million + into a goalie?

No, the cap allocation is not incorrect. Giving any goalie a massive, long-term contract is incredibly risky, and we don't have a Vasilevsky worth paying that amount.
You don't need to be paid a ton as a goalie to go on a good run.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Wow that talk with his family and recovering from such a stressful time here - glad he worked through it all so quickly

Yup, he only need a couple of weeks.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Alright you blind sychophants, it's time to



Ciao!

Pittsburgh Penguins

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Hopefully this thins out our fanbase and the Penguins fans are ready for an avalanche of x/60 shit.

 

[3blizzard4]

So his salary is what? 6 mil? 7 mil?

Shanny gets 8 mil in Toronto I think.

 

[Woodman19]

This whole saga gets to the heart of the issue of process and professionalism. He could have easily kept things private between Shanahan and himself, still leave and then put on a public face about gratitude to the organization etc and the optics of everything changes.

He instead chooses to go public and uses his family as leverage, then proceeds to go back on his word, makes a snippy comment about his family in the tweet and makes sure things break in a conveniently before our presser to introduce his replacement.

One is professional and the other is petty and selfish.

 

[Leaf Fans]

he did it in purpose to announce this right before Tre presser

I doubt he has any worries about the Leafs.

 

[francis246]

Nah. I think he's a liar. Not only did he not stick to his word, but he jumped at the first option available. Says one thing, but does the opposite. An extremely unlikable trait in a person. My initial personal assessment of Kyle seems to played out exactly as I suspected. Really don't like the way he goes about himself.

LOL, to each their own. People's mind can change. Why is it okay for Shanny to change his mind, but not okay for Dubas to change his mind? To me, it sounds like he said something in the heat of the moment on emotion. Plans changed throughout the organization and with some time to think, his mind also changed.

Again, if you take this personally I don't know what to tell you LMAO. It ain't that serious. You know what else is unlikable, airing dirty laundry in the media ahahaha. Shanny was wrong for that. I'm not a Dubas lover, but no issues with this move. People are allowed to have a change of heart when situations change on you.

 

[All Mod Cons]

He's gonna steal Pridham isn't he?

Why? He's not a Dubas hire.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Hopefully this thins out our fanbase and the Penguins fans are ready for an avalanche of x/60 shit.

Are people going to leave and troll the Penguins boards or something?

Why? He's not a Dubas hire.

Pridham is great with the cap.

 

[KMNRB]

Well at least we have a potential trade partner who values Murray (and Timmons and so on) more highly than anyone else in the league.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Pridham is great with the cap.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Pridham is great with the cap.

Loads of people are. He is not a unicorn. His reputation is starting to rival Gary Roberts' invention of fitness and Barb Underhill inventing skating.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Are people going to leave and troll the Penguins boards or something?


Pridham is great with the cap.

We need Vegas' cap guy, guaranteed $100M cap room

 

[SeaOfBlue]

So pretty much confirmed that it was about power. Shanahan giving Dubas what he wanted is effectively pushing himself out at the end of his deal.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Well at least we have a potential trade partner who values Murray (and Timmons and so on) more highly than anyone else in the league.

Gunetzel for Kerplunk, Holl, Murray and a 3rd, that Kyle can then turn into 2 x 4ths.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

So pretty much confirmed that it was about power. Shanahan giving Dubas what he wanted is effectively pushing himself out at the end of his deal.

Pretty much yes. By Dubas going for a power ploy it forced Shanahan in desperation to take off his rose coloured glasses and see that Dubas has been an awful GM and also a complete weirdo that yells at fans and jumped around like Simple Jack when he vicariously won a Calder cup. It’s too bad Shanny couldn’t go as well but that should happen soon enough.