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He obviously desired the promotion and power that just wasn't going to be available here. A former Cup winning core isn't too shabby to start off with either.
 
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francis246 said:
I don't think Toronto inflated his reputation. Dubas is well liked among players across the league. Staff like him as well, that's a reputation you build yourself. He may not be the best GM out there. But he knows how to treat people in an organization with respect and take care of them. He's a good human, so that's what makes you an attractive candidate for the president of hockey ops position. Say what you will about the on-ice product, but the initiatives and departments Dubas had a hand in creating in Toronto is something that most teams want to transition to. So no surprise he's become the president. Maybe we see Pridham or Wickenheiser as GM of Pittsburgh now.
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I'm sure it wouldn't be the same if he worked for Arizona.
 
francis246 said:
I don't think Toronto inflated his reputation. Dubas is well liked among players across the league. Staff like him as well, that's a reputation you build yourself. He may not be the best GM out there. But he knows how to treat people in an organization with respect and take care of them. He's a good human, so that's what makes you an attractive candidate for the president of hockey ops position. Say what you will about the on-ice product, but the initiatives and departments Dubas had a hand in creating in Toronto is something that most teams want to transition to. So no surprise he's become the president. Maybe we see Pridham or Wickenheiser as GM of Pittsburgh now.
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I think the on ice product was great except for the stage fright by some of the "stars" of the team.

Of course some could argue they got goalied, like the 'Canes did.

Then some credit would have to go to the make-up of the team.

As it is, 'Canes have failed almost as much as the Leafs. Their GM hasn't done a very good job either?
 
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Guided by Veseys said:
Pretty much yes. By Dubas going for a power ploy it forced Shanahan in desperation to take off his rose coloured glasses and see that Dubas has been an awful GM and also a complete weirdo that yells at fans and jumped around like Simple Jack when he vicariously won a Calder cup. It’s too bad Shanny couldn’t go as well but that should happen soon enough.
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Or he saw Shanahan as an unqualified president and thought he could do a better job without him.

Or he just wanted what most people want after 5 successful-enough years on the job... Not to be treated like they are still in Year 1.

Or any number of things.
 
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Ahaha, what an absolute chode this guy is. I am not sure how anyone can have respect for a guy who so blatantly tried to make a power/money grab against the organization which gave him his shot after accomplishing absolutely nothing. Smooth talking used car salesman Dubas will have fun in Pittsburg.
 
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Woodman19 said:
This whole saga gets to the heart of the issue of process and professionalism. He could have easily kept things private between Shanahan and himself, still leave and then put on a public face about gratitude to the organization etc and the optics of everything changes.

He instead chooses to go public and uses his family as leverage, then proceeds to go back on his word, makes a snippy comment about his family in the tweet and makes sure things break in a conveniently before our presser to introduce his replacement.

One is professional and the other is petty and selfish.
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Your agenda is showing.

Dubas kept things private while Shannahan was very blatant with the media what transpired. Dubas could've thrown back some shade from his point of view, but he didn't. I appreciate both approaches in different ways.

How do people take a line like "I have to discuss with my family." as being petty and selfish?

Dubas wanted more autonomy, Shannahan didn't want to give it to him. Fine, no issue there.

Dubas wasn't openly negotiating with other teams before he was fired to anybodys knowledge so that's where the "here or nowhere" likely comes from. After he decided he wanted to stay and not take time off, but only with more autonomy/cash/whatever and Shanny rejected it (both were within their rights to do that)... did you expect him to never work again or be forced to take a year off?

Now, while I think it was the wrong choice, let's move on. We have our GM, the pens have their President of Hockey Ops. We don't know the full story so calling out people's character is pretty weak.

Edit: Can anybody honestly say if they were highly coveted in their job, you wouldn't try to get a raise/promotion if you thought you could easily get a better role with a different company?
 
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Can’t blame a guy in his 30s for aggressively climbing the corporate ladder… though I guess we can assign style points for how messy the execution was.
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
I am happy happy happy he is in Pittsburgh .. now get your home sold and p*ss off out of my neighborhood .. and take da load of BS people you brought to my Leafs .. omg thank god we are done with listening to possession hockey BS and skill baby skill .. omg Pens are screwed .. an inexperienced president trying to unload an old age home .. but we will take Crosby
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I will be sure NOT to watch The Dubas presser ( what a weasel move having it on the day they introduce his replacement - not a coincidence ) .... and the good thing is all of his followers can now join the Penguins Board ... See ya!
 
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Dekes For Days said:
We don't "always" lose, and some cup-caliber teams lose quite a bit before winning. I disagree with your claim that we were "never even remotely close to winning a cup". That seems to be entirely based on using round number a team gets to to conclude everything about a team and its comparative quality.
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Yes, the Leafs have always lost in the playoffs with this group. They have zero conference finals appearances in 7 years, let alone a championship. The closest this team has gotten is 5 of the required 16 wins, which is not remotely close. I did ask you what your criteria for a winning team was and didn't exactly get a clear answer, so I'll just assume that your only standard for success is a team that's been built by Dubas
 
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Forecheck1 said:
I will be sure not to Watch The Dubas presser ( what a weasel move having it on the day they introduce his replacement - not a coincidence ) .... and the good thing is all of his followers can now join the Penguins Board ... See ya!
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He has followers on the Penguins board already.
 
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