Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

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Racer88

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No player delivers production to the extent you want them to in every single series.
Maybe so but woudnt it be nice if one of our 11 million dollars guys could lift us above the crowd……..they have had 7 years and it hasn’t happened yet otherwise why are we paying them so much dam money

Yeah, 1 page of grievance and 216 pages of repetition, self aggrandisement, and I told you so.
Lol. You actually made me chuckle and you are 100% right

Waiting for the new GM to burn it all down, and extinguish the toxic work environment………
I sure hope he doesn’t have to burn it all down but the country club culture sure has to change.
hopefully a new GM, new coach and removing 1 of the expensive core will be enough
 

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Do they make goaltenders look like Vezina calibre every year!?

The goalies we face tend to go to the SCF and maintain the same Hasek level play against other teams. If we were the only ones getting goalie’d by Vasi, Price, Rask, Bob, etc it would be one thing, but it seems like either everyone except the cup winner is lazy or maybe there’s something else to it.

Most of our playoff goals are greasy scrambles, half our team can only score by going to the net. We have guys skilled at tips, deflections, and screens. JT ROR and Matthews were only good for trying to shovel in broken scramble plays in front of the net in the Florida series.

I’m tired of watching them whiff shots on open nets after they get the goalie moving east-west, Marner losing the zone after deking himself outside the blue line with no pressure on him, or simple set plays getting mishandled and turned over 90% of the time. If the problem was just “work hard and go to the net” nobody would be talking about 7 years of failure. It’s the execution on plays further out that’s absolute garbage, the skill level falls off way worse than the effort level. They look like they got an AHLers hands transplanted onto theirs.
 
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His record is secondary to me. I've been impressed with his trades and drafting during his tenure!

He'll have better resources available to him here and a more established core.

His drafting has been mixed. His trades for the most part have been good.

He is better than a lot of names, but not someone I hope for.
 
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Playing quite well, but like the teams before and after them, struggling to convert against a goalie on pace for arguably the best run in the entire cap era.
They played like f***ing garbage the majority of the series. Did you see Marner in game 3 or Matthews in game 4?

Unf***ing real how you still have your head buried in the sand after 7 years of playoff failures.

There isn't one specific target to blame, much less for every loss over the years. Teams win and lose each series for different and changing reasons.
But there is one specific target of blame for you - the other team's goalie. Every year with you.

I've come to the conclusion that some folks just inadvertently admit that having most of the cap in 4 forwards is bad team design by Dubas - because by claiming we get "goalie'd" every year you are admitting that your team design has one major weakness.
 
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They played like f***ing garbage the majority of the series. Did you see Marner in game 3 or Matthews in game 4?

Unf***ing real how you still have your head buried in the sand after 7 years of playoff failures.
The Leafs were outplayed in most of the Tampa series and obviously, all of the Florida series. The amount of mental gymnastics taking place on this board to find excuses for chickenshit cowards is honestly astounding.

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They played like f***ing garbage the majority of the series. Did you see Marner in game 3 or Matthews in game 4?

Unf***ing real how you still have your head buried in the sand after 7 years of playoff failures.


But there is one specific target of blame for you - the other team's goalie. Every year with you.

I've come to the conclusion that some folks just inadvertently admit that having most of the cap in 4 forwards is bad team design by Dubas - because by claiming we get "goalie'd" every year you are admitting that your team design has one major weakness.
It's not sand that head is buried in.
 

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Maybe so but woudnt it be nice if one of our 11 million dollars guys could lift us above the crowd……..they have had 7 years and it hasn’t happened yet otherwise why are we paying them so much dam money
They haven't been making 11m for 7 years, and you pay them that money because they provide impact consistent with that money. They have had many moments where they've lifted us, despite being in situations where very few if any players could "lift" to the extent that you seem to be demanding. The issue is team outcomes haven't been in our favour, for reasons far beyond just them, and for a lot of people, their perception of certain individuals is more dependent on team outcomes than their actual individual contributions.

You could change nothing about Matthews and Marner's performances, do a different bounce here or there to series wins, and they would be cheered as playoff gods.
Heck, we literally have Tkachuk being cheered as a playoff god because Bobrovsky has given the team success and opportunity the skaters didn't earn, but if a bounce had gone another way in the 1st round, he'd remain one of the worst playoff bums in the league.
 

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They played like f***ing garbage the majority of the series.
No, they didn't. They converted badly most of the series. There's a difference, even if most people on this board can't recognize it.
But there is one specific target of blame for you - the other team's goalie. Every year with you.
Not at all. It has required a lot more than just a top tier goalie performance to knock us out by the tiniest margins. There were many other impacting factors. But I will call it like it is when the opposing goalie is objectively the biggest impacting factor in the series though.
I've come to the conclusion that some folks just inadvertently admit that having most of the cap in 4 forwards is bad team design by Dubas - because by claiming we get "goalie'd" every year you are admitting that your team design has one major weakness.
Every team is weak to getting goalie'd, especially as league parity has increased, but you also can't really go out and acquire it.
 

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Here's what I hope isn't true about the departure of Kyle Dubas: That a public admission about consulting with his family about next career steps -- and the strain that his job with the Leafs has put on his family -- was actually processed as a sign of weakness and wavering commitment by team president Brendan Shanahan.

"As Kyle expressed, he might not want to be our GM," Shanahan said. "And I have to take that very seriously."

From a mental health perspective, this is gross.

We spend more time now talking about the full scope of life for players, coaches and executives than we ever have in the NHL. I've heard people claim Dubas wasn't "all-in" for the Toronto job because of these comments, that the concerns for an individual's wellbeing don't apply when the job is as vitally important as general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Heaven forbid.

Yet that's exactly why we focus on mental health now in professional sports. To break that stigma. To not have a world where "I want to discuss this with my family" is met with "huh, I don't know if this guy's really committed here."

I've known Shanahan for years. I'm hoping this was just something he seized on as part of the public justification for splitting with Dubas. I can't imagine an individual with his character and moral compass would actually buy that.

What I believe to be true about Kyle Dubas: That he acted as any pending free agent would -- and not just by saying he needed to talk to his family about next steps, which is what every player with a family says whether they re-sign or don't.


His contract with the Leafs ends this summer. He famously bet on himself and won. OK, won a playoff round, but that's more than Brian Burke, Dave Nonis and Lou Lamoriello won in Toronto. So he had that juice. And he also had options: The Pittsburgh Penguins have president of hockey operations and general manager openings. The Ottawa Senators' new ownership could potentially offer him their top job.

Multiple NHL sources have told me that Dubas was looking for equal hockey management power to Shanahan and a salary that would be commensurate with that power. If that's the case, then I get it: What team president is going to fight to retain an underling that wants both of them sharing a chair at the head of the table at the same time? Ever try to sit two-to-a-chair? It's as uncomfortable as having the person you supervise asking for your salary.

Dubas shot his shot. He flew too close to the sun in the centre of the hockey universe. The Leafs lost a brilliant young executive. Dubas lost a job he genuinely loved. That's business. I truly want to believe that's the determining factor in all of this rather than hockey culture once again trouncing someone's emotional vulnerability.
 
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Here's what I hope isn't true about the departure of Kyle Dubas: That a public admission about consulting with his family about next career steps -- and the strain that his job with the Leafs has put on his family -- was actually processed as a sign of weakness and wavering commitment by team president Brendan Shanahan.

"As Kyle expressed, he might not want to be our GM," Shanahan said. "And I have to take that very seriously."

From a mental health perspective, this is gross.

We spend more time now talking about the full scope of life for players, coaches and executives than we ever have in the NHL. I've heard people claim Dubas wasn't "all-in" for the Toronto job because of these comments, that the concerns for an individual's wellbeing don't apply when the job is as vitally important as general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Heaven forbid.

Yet that's exactly why we focus on mental health now in professional sports. To break that stigma. To not have a world where "I want to discuss this with my family" is met with "huh, I don't know if this guy's really committed here."

I've known Shanahan for years. I'm hoping this was just something he seized on as part of the public justification for splitting with Dubas. I can't imagine an individual with his character and moral compass would actually buy that.

What I believe to be true about Kyle Dubas: That he acted as any pending free agent would -- and not just by saying he needed to talk to his family about next steps, which is what every player with a family says whether they re-sign or don't.


His contract with the Leafs ends this summer. He famously bet on himself and won. OK, won a playoff round, but that's more than Brian Burke, Dave Nonis and Lou Lamoriello won in Toronto. So he had that juice. And he also had options: The Pittsburgh Penguins have president of hockey operations and general manager openings. The Ottawa Senators' new ownership could potentially offer him their top job.

Multiple NHL sources have told me that Dubas was looking for equal hockey management power to Shanahan and a salary that would be commensurate with that power. If that's the case, then I get it: What team president is going to fight to retain an underling that wants both of them sharing a chair at the head of the table at the same time? Ever try to sit two-to-a-chair? It's as uncomfortable as having the person you supervise asking for your salary.

Dubas shot his shot. He flew too close to the sun in the centre of the hockey universe. The Leafs lost a brilliant young executive. Dubas lost a job he genuinely loved. That's business. I truly want to believe that's the determining factor in all of this rather than hockey culture once again trouncing someone's emotional vulnerability.

I support mental health but not this take.

Someone making a corporate powerplay is entitled to do so at their own peril. Agreed. Don’t hold it against the man.

Showing vulnerability and expressing a desire for mental health is also a good thing. Agreed.

Mix a corporate powerplay and expressing mental health concerns, solving family pressure issues and increasing job portfolio while doing so in public? That’s a funky combination.
 

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I support mental health but not this take.

Someone making a corporate powerplay is entitled to do so at their own peril. Agreed. Don’t hold it against the man.

Showing vulnerability and expressing a desire for mental health is also a good thing. Agreed.

Mix a corporate powerplay and expressing mental health concerns, solving family pressure issues and increasing job portfolio while doing so in public? That’s a funky combination.
There's enough material for a very interesting book to come out of all this if done correctly.
 

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Looks like Dekes is going to have a chat with Burkie who also criticized the contracts given to the 3 amigos. Said he criticized them at the time and reiterated it on Kyper and Bourne today. Worth a listen starting at the 20 minute mark. 25 minute mark talks about Kyle's PP. Talks about the contracts and what needs to be done (2 things) at the 32+ minute mark.

 
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I can see Hyman being the author.
Netflix movie.

I'm sure we can all come up with a list of actors to play the parts.

Start with,
Harry Potter as Dubas
Richard Gere as Shanahan
Mike from Breaking Bad as Lou Lam
Scarlett Johansson as Dr Hailey Wickenheiser
Doogie Howser as Mitch Marner
Vince Vaughan as Auston Matthews
Fabbio as William Nylander

etc.
 

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Counting your chickens before they hatch turns out to be a pretty stupid business model, who’d of thunk………
You would think the fact that no other team in the history of the league has allocated that much cap to 4 similar forwards , that it would make one pause and think.....why?
 

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It’s becoming apparent to me that just removing the GM won’t be enough to fix the team composition, I hope I’m wrong, but I fear it’s going to be “meet the new boss, same as the old boss…….”
:baghead:
 

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Sounds like Dubas wanted to move on from the core, Shanny is the one holding on from all reports.
Until I see it with my own eyes or I hear Shanny state that as fact I dont believe anything anyone is saying at the moment. All conjecture. Time will reveal all.
 
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