Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[WillTheThrill]

Dubas thought he was the next Billy Beane. Barely won one round in seven years and now he is looking for a job.

Sounds like he's got a job if he wants it in Pittsburgh!

 

[Larcos_Unal]

The rest of the roster is quite good, and better than it was prior to Dubas and those contracts. Which.. I don't think people really understand the miracle that is.
If we were looking for reasons it wasn't even better, we could look at impacts of the sudden pandemic-induced cap stagnation, or the impacts of our bad drafting and depleted prospect pool pre-Dubas (not to mention the cap anchors that had a cost to be dealt with), or the injury/health impacts we've faced during the Dubas era in both our roster and top prospects, but blaming it on having amazing players with contracts that they've earned and live up to? Sounds pretty silly.
When you have high-end core players, you always have options.

Miracle?? Now I know you're just trolling lmao

Let's see the list of excuses:
pandemic induced cap stagnation - every team had to deal with that
bad drafting pre-Dubas - he had 5 years to right the ship, what about Dubas' drafting?
injury - every team has injuries

They've earned their contracts in the regular season, if this was EPL that would be fine. They don't do enough in the playoffs collectively, that doesn't cut it. It's not a one-off either, it's year after year of not getting the job done. I don't care of they play great teams, get goalied, suffer bad puck luck, the core simply does not get the job done.

 

[Apex Predator]

The rest of the roster is quite good, and better than it was prior to Dubas and those contracts. Which.. I don't think people really understand the miracle that is.
If we were looking for reasons it wasn't even better, we could look at impacts of the sudden pandemic-induced cap stagnation, or the impacts of our bad drafting and depleted prospect pool pre-Dubas (not to mention the cap anchors that had a cost to be dealt with), or the injury/health impacts we've faced during the Dubas era in both our roster and top prospects, but blaming it on having amazing players with contracts that they've earned and live up to? Sounds pretty silly.
When you have high-end core players, you always have options.

The Leafs were rebuilding when Lou came on board. When the Leafs made the playoffs against Washington they weren’t expected to make it that season as it was still the process of building from within. I would hope Dubas’ team were better since he took them over when the rebuild was over.

Lou had one year to fix the holes on the team and he can’t fix the defense in one season. Dubas had 5 years to improve the team. Trying to compare Dubas to Lou’s team is a bit unfair when year one they were tanking for Matthews. Year 2 was let the process play out. Year 3 was his first crack to really improve it.

It’s unfair to try and comapre Dubas team to Lou and say look how much better the team is since Dubas took over. If Lou stuck around of course he would continue to improve the team and his team would look better compared to the early teams.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Miracle??

Yes. Most teams, who are also way better set up than we were, see significant depth loss or hits to other parts of their team when they're adding tens of millions of cap hits from star players moving off ELCs. To not only maintain but improve our team to the extent we have, especially with all of the other unique barriers we've faced, is wildly underappreciated and largely taken for granted.

Let's see the list of excuses:
pandemic induced cap stagnation - every team had to deal with that
bad drafting pre-Dubas - he had 5 years to right the ship, what about Dubas' drafting?
injury - every team has injuries

They're not excuses. They're reasons for the thing you're looking at.
Every team did not have the same impacts from the pandemic. We allocated a massive portion of our cap to long-term core contracts directly prior to the stagnation. It's the whole reason those players take up that percentage.
Dubas has righted the ship. Our prospect pool is massively healthier and we've had players come into the lineup, even with some pretty big setbacks with things like Robertson's injuries, Amirov getting cancer, Knies' delaying signing to try and win an NCAA championship, etc. It takes time for drafting to translate into quality NHL depth. We'll likely see the continuing positives impacts from Dubas' drafting in the coming years, just as we saw the negative impacts of Hunter/Lou/Nonis drafting over the past half decade.
Every team does not experience the same impact from injuries, especially during the small timeframe of the playoffs. We've had some massively impactful injuries over the years in the playoffs specifically, not to mention questionable suspensions also removing players.

They've earned their contracts in the regular season

They earn their contracts in the regular season and playoffs.

I don't care of they play great teams, get goalied, suffer bad puck luck, the core simply does not get the job done.

The team hasn't got the job done. And there are many bigger reasons for that than the core.

 

[rumman]

There's the other inflection point that may be coming as well. It's the one where free agents aren't terribly interested in Toronto any longer because they aren't seen quite like the up and comer they once were.

perhaps, MLSE has a rep of being the gold standard for accommodating players, but playing in a big market isn't for everyone. Every team has challenges attracting players for different reasons. Getting players that want to succeed in a big market filters out those who want to mail it in for the cheque imo...........

 

[Larcos_Unal]

The team hasn't got the job done. And there are many bigger reasons for that than the core.

They've changed the entire bottom 6, every dman not named Rielly, goalies and coaching staff. Who do you think is left to blame?

They earn their contracts in the regular season and playoffs.

I get being a fan of the core but your homerism is honestly embarrassing. They've won 1 series, that isn't good enough. Where was the core against Florida? Absolutely invisible, where has the core been in game 7s over the past 5+ years? Absolutely invisible.

 

[Apex Predator]

They've changed the entire bottom 6, every dman not named Rielly, goalies and coaching staff. Who do you think is left to blame?


I get being a fan of the core but your homerism is honestly embarrassing. They've won 1 series, that isn't good enough. Where was the core against Florida? Absolutely invisible, where has the core been in game 7s over the past 5+ years? Absolutely invisible.

Shanny lol

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Shanny lol

Granny Dubas!!
Joe Bowen!!
Anyone but my precious core!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mess]

The Leafs were rebuilding when Lou came on board. When the Leafs made the playoffs against Washington they weren’t expected to make it that season as it was still the process of building from within. I would hope Dubas’ team were better since he took them over when the rebuild was over.

Lou had one year to fix the holes on the team and he can’t fix the defense in one season. Dubas had 5 years to improve the team. Trying to compare Dubas to Lou’s team is a bit unfair when year one they were tanking for Matthews. Year 2 was let the process play out. Year 3 was his first crack to really improve it.

It’s unfair to try and compare Dubas team to Lou and say look how much better the team is since Dubas took over. If Lou stuck around of course he would continue to improve the team and his team would look better compared to the early teams.

Well lets do exactly that " It’s unfair to try and compare Dubas team to Lou and say look how much better the team is since Dubas took over".

Before [Inherited team]

After [5 years later]

Differences:

Wins: From 49 to 50 = +1
Points: From 105 to 111 = +6 (based on +4 more OTL)
Goals For: From 277 to 279 = +2
Goals Against: From 232 to 222 = -10
Goal Differential: From + 45 to +57 = +12

Come on man !!! How can you argue with those results and improvements? Leafs heading into this year's playoffs 5 years later coming off a +1 win +2 GF and -10 GA difference,

The 2017-18 team won 3 playoff games and lost in round #1, and the 2022-23 team won 5 playoff games and lost in round #2 = +2 playoff wins.

It took Dubas 5 years & 5 chances to win +2 more playoff games in a playoff season then the one he inherited.

 

[Dekes For Days]

They've changed the entire bottom 6, every dman not named Rielly, goalies and coaching staff. Who do you think is left to blame?

There isn't one specific target to blame, much less for every loss over the years. Teams win and lose each series for different and changing reasons.

They've won 1 series, that isn't good enough.

The team has won one series. It's not good enough. The way to get more isn't to get worse.

Where was the core against Florida?

Playing quite well, but like the teams before and after them, struggling to convert against a goalie on pace for arguably the best run in the entire cap era.

 

[justashadowof]

Dubas thought he was the next Billy Beane. Barely won one round in seven years and now he is looking for a job.

Well he did win the exact same number of playoff series Beane won during his time as a GM: one. In Beane's defense he did have substantial financial restraints.

 

[Stephen]

I don't agree with this at all. There are a ton of decisions to make, probably more so than any summer since I don't even know when.

As far as Dubas goes, there's only one thing that seems crystal clear at this point - those people who said Dubas will never get another GM job in the NHL were way off. I hope he goes to Pittsburgh as I think he's a good GM and PIT won't be a threat for some time whereas Ottawa could be very good in the not too distant future so don't want him there.

People in Toronto often carry this view that a player, coach or manager needs to flame out of the NHL after the Leafs or else it was a mistake to let them go. Like Larry Murphy going to Detroit and having success was some massive indictment on Toronto giving him away. Or we needed to follow Lou on the Island trade by trade, round by round.

I think Dubas will obviously have another few kicks at the can and have a long career as a GM in the NHL. We just don’t really need to follow it as what he does in another city won’t be the same exercise as what he was trying to do in Toronto.

 

[notbias]

Don't cry cause it's over, smile cause it happened




Christ that's grim

U25
Liljegren
Timmins
Mete
Niemela
Kral
Villeneuve
Koster
Hollowell
Kokkenen

McCabe and Rielly are both U30

Our D is not in bad shape.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Playing quite well, but like the teams before and after them, struggling to convert against a goalie on pace for arguably the best run in the entire cap era.

Yes I'm sure it's a coincidence that the Leafs just happen to play teams where the goalie turns into prime Hasek, year after year. It couldn't possibly be about them not working hard enough or going to the tough areas to get greasy goals.

 

[Stephen]

U25
Liljegren
Timmins
Mete
Niemela
Kral
Villeneuve
Koster
Hollowell
Kokkenen

McCabe and Rielly are both U30

Our D is not in bad shape.

Compared to what and whom?

 

[ShaneFalco]

Are we going to hear about how wonderful Dubas is with his new team no matter what he does!?

 

[notbias]

Compared to what and whom?

Compared to most teams. We have a mix of some good young players, young enough vets, and some good prospects.

 

[Antropovsky]

Or maybe he is talking to his family.... Or taking a bit of time to recalibrate? Or maybe he just knows it would be a bad look if he popped up really fast and immediately took the job offered to him, given this statement at the presser:

Dubas at the presser:
I definitely don’t have it in me to go anywhere else. So, it’ll either be here, or it’ll be taking time to recalibrate, reflect on the seasons here,” Dubas said.

“But you won’t see me next week pop up elsewhere. I can’t put them through that after this year.”

 

[Martin Skoula]

Yes I'm sure it's a coincidence that the Leafs just happen to play teams where the goalie turns into prime Hasek, year after year. It couldn't possibly be about them not working hard enough or going to the tough areas to get greasy goals.

Did Boston and Carolina not work hard enough either?

 

[ShaneFalco]

Did Boston and Carolina not work hard enough either?

Do they make goaltenders look like Vezina calibre every year!?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Are we going to hear about how wonderful Dubas is with his new team no matter what he does!?

Nothing is ever Dubas' or the players fault. I suspect Dubas' new team will be subject to biased reffing, getting goalied, and bad puck luck.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yes I'm sure it's a coincidence that the Leafs just happen to play teams where the goalie turns into prime Hasek, year after year. It couldn't possibly be about them not working hard enough or going to the tough areas to get greasy goals.

Yes, I'm sure it's a coincidence that the Leafs just happen to get the exact same results against these goalies as the other teams that play them on their run to the cup finals. It couldn't possibly be that the goalies we've faced are among the best goalies in the world, with awards piling a mile high, and proven potential to hit peaks like this, going through undeniably dominant stretches by every metric and eye test. Surely we saw success against Vasilevsky this year and decided no more of that and stopped working. Boston and Carolina, the top two teams in the league this year, also clearly don't like working.

 

[Amadeus]

If Dubas is waiting on Ottawa, then I'll happily take Pierre Dorion!

 

[notbias]

Do they make goaltenders look like Vezina calibre every year!?

If Dubas is waiting on Ottawa, then I'll happily take Pierre Dorion!

I actually prefer him over a lot of candidates, but this is his GM record