Kyle Dubas - - Horrible Asset Mismanagement

[Gary Nylund]

Its possible I have misjudged the "clutch" ability of this team, if that is even a thing that exists.

But the team has been as good as I've thought, and better than you've thought.

In the last 4 years, we were outscored 18-6 in deciding games.

In the last 3 years, we were outscored 11-2 in deciding games.

And you say the team is "as good as you thought".

 

[Leafsfan74]

Then it becomes a question of what one considers replacement value for Holl. I don't think it's nearly so obvious that Holl over the next couple seasons offers as big of a net positive as some people are granting, at least not in comparison to cheap alternatives plus attractive middle six depth. Perhaps if Holl was being used as a trading chip in an inflated D market, what other GMs are doing would be a different story.

Competent, physical D Men, especially if you have a good working pairing, are gold.

I would be worried about a Dermott/Sandin 5/6 to start the season though. I've wanted Sandin to get his shot, but, the league seems to be reverting back to it's pre-Crosby years in which the playoffs becomes a slushfest. You are going to need size and experience in the backend for this.

Dermott needs a solid, veteran partner. Preferably physical and unpleasant against the opponent. What we believed the league might become in 2016 has been a pipe dream. It's regressing in some ways as it pertains to freedom of talent in the post-season.

 

[ACC1224]

In the last 4 years, we were outscored 18-6 in deciding games.

In the last 3 years, we were outscored 11-2 in deciding games.

And you say the team is "as good as you thought".

They've turned out worse than I thought....sadly, I can't help but be honest.

 

[mcleex]

The Soo'onto Maple Leafs ladies and gentleman!

 

[Leafsfan74]

In the last 4 years, we were outscored 18-6 in deciding games.

In the last 3 years, we were outscored 11-2 in deciding games.

And you say the team is "as good as you thought".

You can't teach Gamers to rise to the occasion. You might be able to have them admit their flaws (I didn't hear ANY of that in this years season end media scrum), but then they have to address it and sacrifice.

Anyone who has seen the Netflix series "The Last Dance", or watched it unfold in real time as many of us did in our youth, knows the difference between "winning is everything" Jordan vs. his opponents who were just observers watching the train go by.

 

[mikeyz]

Yeah. We're definitely not making the playoffs

 

[Donnie740]

Its possible I have misjudged the "clutch" ability of this team, if that is even a thing that exists.

But the team has been as good as I've thought, and better than you've thought.

Burner account?

 

[The Legend]

You can't teach Gamers to rise to the occasion. You might be able to have them admit their flaws (I didn't hear ANY of that in this years season end media scrum), but then they have to address it and sacrifice.

Anyone who has seen the Netflix series "The Last Dance", or watched it unfold in real time as many of us did in our youth, knows the difference between "winning is everything" Jordan vs. his opponents who were just observers watching the train go by.

I agree the Last Dance is a good comp:

Michael Jordan first 5 seasons: 14-23 in playoffs
Matthews/Marner/Nylander first 5 seasons: 13-19

 

[keonsbitterness]

I agree the Last Dance is a good comp:

Michael Jordan first 5 seasons: 14-23 in playoffs
Matthews/Marner/Nylander first 5 seasons: 13-19

So we're about to win six Cups?

 

[Leafsfan74]

I agree the Last Dance is a good comp:

Michael Jordan first 5 seasons: 14-23 in playoffs
Matthews/Marner/Nylander first 5 seasons: 13-19

The key difference of course. Jordan learned from those who beat him and he learned to share the ball and sacrifice more physically, even in the offseason.

If the NHL had the courage, they would have ensured the league enforced the rulebook to the T, both in regular season and postseason. They don't. I've stated that Leafs ownership needed to put pressure on the league or else Leafs top talent wouldn't have the freedom to succeed in the playoffs.

The league forced players to change when Crosby was drafted. Protecting the Pens investment and the new face of the league. It worked in their early success. Why didn't the league do the same for the Leafs when the Bruins and other teams crossed the line?

It's not an excuse as much as it's an explanation. It's the job of the players and GM to figure it out and build the team to address this (I thought he did last year and the Big Guns still didn't get it done), it's the leagues fault for not being consistent.

 

[PromisedLand]

You can't teach Gamers to rise to the occasion. You might be able to have them admit their flaws (I didn't hear ANY of that in this years season end media scrum), but then they have to address it and sacrifice.

Anyone who has seen the Netflix series "The Last Dance", or watched it unfold in real time as many of us did in our youth, knows the difference between "winning is everything" Jordan vs. his opponents who were just observers watching the train go by.

It was magnificent

 

[The Legend]

it's alright folks the Dubites keep telling us he's playing 4D chess while everyone else is playing checkers, we'll find out in time which he might not have and then the Dubites will tell us he never got enough time.

Dubas was great until he started listening to the mouthbreathers.

2018 Kyle Dubas would never have chosen Foligno over Hall.

 

[harvestglen]

Competent, physical D Men, especially if you have a good working pairing, are gold.

I'm not as convinced as some that Holl fits that bill going forward, at least not to the extent of prioritizing him over others. By and large, the Leafs' most notable struggles when the game shifts over the playoffs has had more to do with being able to break through in the right moments. I'm not saying discard him for no reason, obviously, but he's not the hill I would die on that gets in the way of moving the needle elsewhere.

 

[ACC1224]

Dubas was great until he started listening to the mouthbreathers.

2018 Kyle Dubas would never have chosen Foligno over Hall.

How can he be great if he doesn’t think for himself?

 

[Lemontree]

Dubas was great until he started listening to the mouthbreathers.

2018 Kyle Dubas would never have chosen Foligno over Hall.

You are blaming fans for Dubas moves?

 

[capfit9]

Dubas was great until he started listening to the mouthbreathers.

2018 Kyle Dubas would never have chosen Foligno over Hall.

sounds like he lacks conviction which he often tells us he has with the core

 

[bossram]

I punted on Dubas for keeping Holl over McCann/Kerfoot, but I can admit when I was wrong and I'll take the L on this one. Given the prices of "big" RHD, there's no way they could've found another player to fill in for Holl, unless they wanted to run Dermott/Liljegren in the top-four. Right call.

Now just sign Tatar to a value deal and call it a day.

 

[harvestglen]

Dubas was great until he started listening to the mouthbreathers.

2018 Kyle Dubas would never have chosen Foligno over Hall.

Yeah I think one thing that gets lost in the narrative these days is that some critiques from the past few months are not coming from the same perspective on all of Dubas' track record.

 

[The Masters]

 

[justashadowof]

Dubas was great until he started listening to the mouthbreathers.

2018 Kyle Dubas would never have chosen Foligno over Hall.

Who is he listening to today? He appears to have lost his mind.

 

[ACC1224]

Yuck

 

[Lemontree]

Add around $6M to a cap strapped team to add a backup goalie and possibly two bottom 6 wingers. No good.

 

[The Masters]

Dubas is gonna get canned next season. same with shanny

 

[axlrose87]

This is an atrocious offseason. Our team is considerably worse than last year.
It’s actually getting quite pathetic.
Softest roster in the NHL

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]