Kyle Dubas - - Horrible Asset Mismanagement

[Aus34Matt]

Dubas is thought of as a pushover, someone who if you wait out long enough will eventually cave.
This is his way of trying to change that appearance. Good on him, about time.

But it's not working or ever will, his credibility is shot

 

[ACC1224]

Way, way, way too late for that. He's picked the wrong hill to die on to try to stand tall. f*** worrying about YOUR appearance and represent the LEAFS. He's such a selfish knobhead.

Don't agree, small price to pay if it helps.

 

[francis246]

Dubas hasn't even been here for 4 years. That was Lou.

okay sorry* Tyson Barrie, Jake Gardiner & now Zach Hyman

 

[New User Name]

Dubas is thought of as a pushover, someone who if you wait out long enough will eventually cave.
This is his way of trying to change that appearance. Good on him, about time.

There's a time and place to start acting tough.
Pissing off a Hall Of Fame GM isn't it I would think.

I understand what you're saying but I think it's more about Dubas and his ego.

 

[ACC1224]

There's a time and place to start acting tough.
Pissing off a Hall Of Fame GM isn't it I would think.

I understand what you're saying but I think it's more about Dubas and his ego.

Acting tough?? He’s taking a stance in a negotiation. Why does it matter who he takes the stance against?

 

[New User Name]

Acting tough?? He’s taking a stance in a negotiation. Why does it matter who he takes the stance against?

I appreciate your opinion. We disagree.

 

[FraumBallard]

He wanted a better pick and Edmonton was offering trash plain and simple. That 6th rounder is going to make you feel better? Haha

Better than nothing.
Really simple.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Better than nothing.
Really simple.

Nothing or having the league know you'll cave in just to get something.

I'd rather the former not the latter if that was me.

Atleast with a 4th, you can spin it as all part of negotiations.

 

[FraumBallard]

There's logic to it.

Dubas made an offer to Hyman (let's say approx 8 x 4M).

He told Hyman to go out and see what other teams were offering. This way Hyman could come back with the best offer and let Dubas match it before the UFA window opened (i.e. last day Leafs can offer 8 years). It would also allow Hyman a chance to get that 8-year deal from another team.

That's all there is to it. I don't think Dubas did this out of the goodness of his heart. But it is a win-win and the right thing to do.

Losing Hyman is Lose Lose.
No other way to spin it.
And it is soley the fault of Wonder Boy.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Losing Hyman is Lose Lose.
No other way to spin it.
And it is soley the fault of Wonder Boy.

So sign him to 10m per lol ok buddy.

 

[FraumBallard]

Nothing or having the league know you'll cave in just to get something.

I'd rather the former not the latter if that was me.

Atleast with a 4th, you can spin it as all part of negotiations.

I agree.
Except everyone knows Dubas caves.
Always.
Maybe he has found his balls.
Albeit too late.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I agree.
Except everyone knows Dubas caves.
Always.
Maybe he has found his balls.
Albeit too late.

When has he caved?

 

[FraumBallard]

So sign him to 10m per lol ok buddy.

He would have stayed for 4.8.
Wonder Boy has no $.
Surprise.

 

[A1LeafNation]

He would have stayed for 4.8.
Wonder Boy has no $.
Surprise.

How do you know and how many years?

 

[FraumBallard]

When has he caved?

Wow.
Really?
Nylander.
Matthews.
Marner.
Do you follow the Leafs?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Wow.
Really?
Nylander.
Matthews.
Marner.
Do you follow the Leafs?

Nylander and Matthews deals are on par with the production.

He did cave with Marner though. Terrible mistake signing that was.

 

[7even]

Can’t believe Dubas didn’t take advantage of the opportunity to add a FREE draft pick from Edmonton.

He’s had several instances of brutal asset mismanagement but this is the absolute worst. By far.

Look at other teams around the league accumulating assets by taking on bad contracts. Dubas didn’t even need to add one cent in contracts and he could have picked up a draft pick.

Refusing to take a free draft pick because he didn’t want to help Edmonton save a few hundred thousand in cap space is laughable.

We could've had a 6th??

 

[A1LeafNation]

We could've had a 6th??

You can probably sign a player that was projected to go in the 6th round right now. Probably a few of them.

 

[FraumBallard]

if the worst case of asset mismanagement by far is not taking a 6th round pick to let , it's a ringing endorsement of his asset management ability.

Let's look at some of the moves Dubas has made in his time as GM:
-Traded Nolan Vesey for a conditional 7th round pick.
-He picked up a 5th round pick last year to retain some of Lehner's salary.
-He picked up a 4th round pick to take Clarkson's salary away from Vegas
-Traded Carrick for a conditional 7th round pick
-Traded Gordeev for a conditional 7th round pick

It has absolutely nothing to do with him not wanting to get a "free pick"

All of those deals are meaningless.
The big three are the killers.

 

[FraumBallard]

We could've had a 6th??

I thought the Dubites love Wonder Boy and his 7th round picks.

 

[Donnie740]

It'sa 6th round pick buddy. besides if we were to do there there's a chance Hyman can sign cheaper than when he hits the market. for a 6th...... a 6th..... who gives a shit buddy. it's a crap shoot. might as well play darts in the dark

What’s more valuable to have - - a 6th round pick or ZERO?

 

[Racer88]

All of those deals are meaningless.
The big three are the killers.

I agree with this 100%. All this stuff about Hyman is just smoke and mirrors

 

[FraumBallard]

I wouldn't take it either. No favours should be given to opposing teams. Let the Oilers take an extra $400k hit for the next seven years or pay with the draft pick accordingly, it's their choice.

Hyman will get paid, just as I said he would in the middle of this season. Whether 7 or 8 years, it's no difference. Good for the Oilers for going for it. In a competitive league they have to be grossly naive to believe another team is going to assist them at subpar rates.

Pay up in the draft or pay out in cap space. It's Oilers call.

Childish on the part of Dubas.
Gotta believe he gets a fourth.
Unless he is far more stupid than I think.
And I think he is a complete Moron.

 

[Donnie740]

This franchise, considered the hockey center of the universe, has not won a playoff round in 17 ****in years. Maybe the fan base is just fed up with incompetent management over and over again. It’s just one screw up after another. Listen to me very carefully, dubas will be fired at some point, it is inevitable. I have a saying I abide by, in order to predict the future, you must look at the past. So the leafs after acquiring taveras have lost to a crappy Columbus team then another crappy team in Montreal, who wouldn’t have made the playoffs had there been no COVID and regular division. This Toronto team and franchise from the president down to the players are unlikable and have shown absolutely no accountability in there play, in there season ending interviews. Anyone who goes to pay money to see the leafs next year your out of your mind supporting this dogs breakfast of an organization.

How many people on this forum weren’t even alive 17yrs ago?

When you’ve spent your entire life knowing nothing but losing and failure, you have the mindset of a loser and accept it as reality.

 

[FraumBallard]

Are we seriously upset over a potential 6th round pick? The undrafted players that we invite to camp are just as likely to make the team... I see no reason Dubas needed to do the Oil a favour to sign Hyman. I could see you getting upset if Dubas turned down a 3rd rounder or even a 4th but a 6th rounder does not cut it for me.

Okay.
Nothing is better than a 6th.
Bizarre take.