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Your level of satisfaction with Kyle Dubas' performance to date

  • Happy

    Votes: 213 39.2%

  • Adequate

    Votes: 161 29.7%

  • Concerned

    Votes: 169 31.1%
  • Total voters
    543
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SAMCRO44 said:
May not have any points in the last 5 but I'd argue he looks a whole hell of a lot better under Keefe. Getting more opportunities too
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you can argue all you want but he looks just as bad under Keefe as he did with Babs
 
GoonieFace said:
How about 0 points in the last 5 games for Barrie? People saying Babcock held him back is ridiculous, and the hot start when Keefe took over went cold real fast.
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I don't think it's ridiculous at all. What's ridiculous is Babcock saying that he needs to re-invent himself.

We'll see when the season's over but I'm confident that in the end, Barrie's numbers under Keefe will be significantly better than they were under Babcock, even with that 5 game pointless streak.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
What are you going on about? We have plenty of first liners. It's other things that we're lacking (backup goalie being the most pressing issue) and the reason it's hard to see how we're going to fix that is because we're overpaying our first liners and thus have no cap space to patch our holes.
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And finding Backup Goalies for cheap is much easier than finding 1st liners for cheap.



But you already admitted that you did so. When I said you were ignoring, this was your response:



That was your response - that you weren't ignoring any more then I was. Except I wasn't.

So back to you Zeke. You said I wanted to ignore Keefe's 8 game sample when I have done no such thing. I'll accept your apology anytime you're man enough to offer me one.
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Yes, I said to ignore something exactly as much you said to ignore something.
 
Gary Nylund said:
I don't think it's ridiculous at all. What's ridiculous is Babcock saying that he needs to re-invent himself.

We'll see when the season's over but I'm confident that in the end, Barrie's numbers under Keefe will be significantly better than they were under Babcock, even with that 5 game pointless streak.
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IMO, Babcock was protecting him by giving him an excuse for his slow start.
 
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nuck said:
The coach wasn't the problem. His salary isn't in the team's cap.The club was one period from taking out last season's Stanley Cup finalist who had finished ahead of the Leafs in the standings. If you want to give Kadri a pass for his a-hole antics fine, but I think they could have taken the Bs out in 6 last year if NK keeps it in his pants. Even if you don't agree you, know that is at least an arguable point. I have no problem with Babcock's firing but they were really close to a very different outcome the last two seasons. It just seems too convenient to pin it on him when they were a game 7 club the last two series.
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I think it was abundantly clear that he needed to go after last years playoffs (as a casual fan could easily point out his glaring errors that aided in the loss), but before this I agree. I was more pointing out the fact that they saddled themselves to the contract, and even ignoring the dollars, optically it was impossible to let go of without serious cause.
 
zeke said:
And finding Backup Goalies for cheap is much easier than finding 1st liners for cheap.
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Not when you don't have any cap space so you can't afford to add even the cheapest one. And again, we don't need to find 1st liners cheap, we have 1st liners, nobody is saying they need to be cheap and even if we had paid our stars a million each less (for arguments sake), they still wouldn't be cheap.

Paying fair market rates is not finding players "cheap". Just stop with this ridiculous "cheap" narrative already, it has no merit.

zeke said:
Yes, I said to ignore something exactly as much you said to ignore something.
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Nope. What you wanted us to ignore has been quoted and you have admitted to it. I haven't asked anyone to ignore anything, you are unable to show it because it never happened and the more you keep saying I did, the more foolish you look. If you're too proud and/or stubborn to apologize and admit you're wrong, then I suggest you just quit while you're behind.
 
zeke said:
w/Babs: ES 19:21, 0.55p60, 53.7cf%, 45.1xgf% -- PP 2:08, 2.61p60
w/Keefe: ES 19:01, 1.62p60, 57.5cf%, 64.0xgf% - PP 1:42, 4.42p60

Incredible difference.
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The guy is a tire fire in his own end. The first few games under Keefe he basically scored on everything he threw at the net, he has went back to sucking since then.
 
Gary Nylund said:
Not when you don't have any cap space so you can't afford to add even the cheapest one. And again, we don't need to find 1st liners cheap, we have 1st liners, nobody is saying they need to be cheap and even if we had paid our stars a million each less (for arguments sake), they still wouldn't be cheap.

Paying fair market rates is not finding players "cheap". Just stop with this ridiculous "cheap" narrative already, it has no merit.
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You sure are grumpy this morning.

But yes, getting backup goalies for cheap is much, much easier than getting elite talent for cheap.



Nope. What you wanted us to ignore has been quoted and you have admitted to it. I haven't asked anyone to ignore anything, you are unable to show it because it never happened and the more you keep saying I did, the more foolish you look. If you're too proud and/or stubborn to apologize and admit you're wrong, then I suggest you just quit while you're behind.
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You are the one who brought up "ignore", even when I clearly never said it. I then pointed out that my argument re the losing streak was no different than yours re the keefe era.

It's you that's putting words in my mouth, not vice versa. Stop pouting.
 
ACC1224 said:
...and yet here we are.
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It happens. Especially over a 6gm sample. There are many expensive goalies with just as bad numbers as hutch.

Last year we went cheap with the backups and got a .905sv% and one game under .500. Not great, but not bad.

The year before we went cheap and got a .930sv% and a 109pt pace. Great.
 
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zeke said:
It happens. Especially over a 6gm sample. There are many expensive goalies with just as bad numbers as hutch.

Last year we went cheap with the backups and got a .905sv% and one game under .500. Not great, but not bad.

The year before we went cheap and got a .930sv% and a 109pt pace. Great.
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Yep, steady decline.
 
zeke said:
You sure are grumpy this morning.

But yes, getting backup goalies for cheap is much, much easier than getting elite talent for cheap.
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Nope - I'm quite happy thank you and having the best day I've had in a while actually. :)
Getting players isn't easy no matter how cheap they are when you have no cap space.
Getting elite talent for cheap isn't a requirement, saying it needs to be done is a false narrative.

zeke said:
You are the one who brought up "ignore", even when I clearly never said it. I then pointed out that my argument re the losing streak was no different than yours re the keefe era.

It's you that's putting words in my mouth, not vice versa. Stop pouting.
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You already admitted to ignoring.
Re. the bolded - you're going in circles here. I never said anything like this and when challenged on it you've been unable to show that I did. Repeating things that exist only in you imagination is very weak sauce sir.
The only one pouting around here is you.

Lighten up Zeke. Everyone's wrong from time time, even you and there's no shame in admitting it.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
I don't think it's ridiculous at all. What's ridiculous is Babcock saying that he needs to re-invent himself.

We'll see when the season's over but I'm confident that in the end, Barrie's numbers under Keefe will be significantly better than they were under Babcock, even with that 5 game pointless streak.
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Honestly that's not a fair way to assess this argument. There is no fair way no to do it. Best to leave it alone.
IF barrie had played a full season under Babcock and another full season under Keefe, then an argument could be formulated in this manor.
Imo even trying to analyze barriers style of play is unfair as he was on a new team with Babcock and by the time Keefe got here he was more familiar with the team and thus more comfortable.
 
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GoonieFace said:
The guy is a tire fire in his own end. The first few games under Keefe he basically scored on everything he threw at the net, he has went back to sucking since then.
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He has been a tire fire in his own end his entire life playing hockey. Nothing new here. But we lost his speed injection into the offense. This has always been and is his key skill. We lost that completely under Babs.
 
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