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Connor or Bratt?

  • Kyle Connor

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Connor makes my fantasy team happy every year. Also he is the better player, I could see it changing in the future but so far it is not really close.
 
bert said:
If it was isolated to one time sure. But unfortunately the Connor situation isn't the only time this type of thing happens with the Devils fanbase. Again Bratt is unreal but come on.
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I think you might be projecting here - Sens fans are easily some of the most deranged when it comes to their own team, even before the moves this summer.
 
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Akrapovince said:
Both great players but in my honest opinion Bratt is closer to Ehlers than he is to Connor.

Connor > Bratt > Ehlers

That being said I would not be surprised in the least if Bratt scores 90 points this year.

Bratt is way too dynamic along with either of the Devil’s stud centres to not replicate his success last year. Just a phenomenal 5 on 5 player.
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Ehlers > Connor in my opinion.
 
Love said:
Bratt isn’t in the same tier as Connor
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Bratt could get to the same tier as Connor but one good year on a garbage team doesn’t do it for me. However, the Devils fanbase has gone overboard with advanced stats and analytics while pretending actual results are always just smoke and mirrors.
 
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severian said:
However, the Devils fanbase has gone overboard with advanced stats and analytics while pretending actual results are always just smoke and mirrors.
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I don't know if you're refering to me since I posted that adv.stats card (the other poster was a Vegas fan). But I never said Bratt was better. Nobody also never said Severson is equal or better than Miller, one guy said they should go one for one since both are expiring UFAs and even he didn't say they are same quality players. The reason advanced stats make sense is that people rarely pay close attention how players on other teams look, and advanced stats can tell more about their 5v5 and defensive game.
 
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Xirik said:
If a Jets fan wants to be dramatic and make a poll based off of one trade proposal where only two Devils fans said Bratt was better then Connor then I think its fair that Devils fans mock it.
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You should be mocking those Devil fans.
 
ninetyeight said:
Oh come on, please give examples. Everyone overrates their team's players, you just read a couple of trade proposals here and came to this conclusion. The trade proposals sub is a mess, there's not a single thread where both fanbases agree. Draft is another one that will cause war between whatever two fanbases, especially #1 vs #2 picks. The Devils have been terrible since their last cup final 10 years ago, and the fanbase has been pretty critical about the team, coaching, management, owners and 90% of the players in the team. Now that there's finally some hope in promising prospects and actually good players like Bratt and Hughes, naturally some are gonna wanna mention them to show that the team is not all trash. Once you spend more time here and find yourself against other fanbases, you'll realize it's all the same.

And to get back on topic, it's hard to argue against almost 50goal scorer 90pts player. I'm not saying Bratt is a better player, but there's more to hockey than just pts. Bratt is statistically one of the best 5v5 players in the league, his advanced stats are off the charts in a terrible bottom5 team and he's a play driver that make his linemates better. If you've never really watched him play and only see the points, it's understandable to think he's nothing special.

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JFresh is shit. Just an excuse to pump a favorite player up or dump on a player you don’t like.

great. Bratt is really good at fake stats that don’t lead to winning hockey or any more points on the board. All you can say is “I hope at some point these stats lead to actual impact on the ice”.
 
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ninetyeight said:
I don't know if you're refering to me since I posted that adv.stats card (the other poster was a Vegas fan). But I never said Bratt was better. Nobody also never said Severson is equal or better than Miller, one guy said they should go one for one since both are expiring UFAs and even he didn't say they are same quality players. The reason advanced stats make sense is that people rarely pay close attention how players on other teams look, and advanced stats can tell more about their 5v5 and defensive game.
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No not you or one poster in particular. I’ve just noticed that advanced stats are overwhelmingly treated as a be all and end all by the diehards on hfboards and discord. Obviously they matter and they are a great tool to understand a player, but there is obviously a lot of merit to good old fashioned goals assists and points that shouldn’t just be ignored.
 
If Bratt can have a couple more years like last year then he may be considered the better player, but for now it's easily Connor
 
TS Quint said:
JFresh is shit. Just an excuse to pump a favorite player up or dump on a player you don’t like.

great. Bratt is really good at fake stats that don’t lead to winning hockey or any more points on the board. All you can say is “I hope at some point these stats lead to actual impact on the ice”.
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You do know that he (or other stat card creators) don't just 'make up' the stats. They're based on official stats and are only formated to a more readable form.

Jesper Bratt is absolutely an impact player on the ice already. Not only is he defensively solid ppg player, he's a play driver who makes everyone in his line better. Andreas Johnsson was a ppg player playing with him early last season, but once he was demoted from Bratt's line he hardly scored anything the rest of the season. There's bunch of game impacting factors that can't be measured with points alone. For instance to judge a shutdown defenceman advanced stats can be very valuable.
 
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RapidKnight said:
2019-22

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[TD]G/60[/TD]
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[TD]P/60[/TD]
[TD]G/60[/TD]
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[TD]Connor[/TD]
[TD]15:20[/TD]
[TD]1.23[/TD]
[TD]2.22[/TD]
[TD]1.09[/TD]
[TD]1.66[/TD]
[TD]0.84[/TD]
[TD]1.60[/TD]
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[TD]Bratt[/TD]
[TD]12.33[/TD]
[TD]1.00[/TD]
[TD]2.44[/TD]
[TD]1.09[/TD]
[TD]2.65[/TD]
[TD]0.98[/TD]
[TD]2.38[/TD]
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When trailing by 1

Bratt has a serious disadvantage in ice time and Connor has awful defensive impacts. Additionally, Connor struggles when it actually matters quite frankly and Bratt elevates his game.

It’s not shooting luck, Connor is much better on the rush (because of his lethal wrist shot) but those chances fade when the game tightens up. And it’s also harder to cheat in these tight game situations.

Pacioretty is similar player who has the same struggles and for the same reasons both players struggle in the playoffs.

All in all, Bratt is much better.
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Connor has been within a point of PPG in the playoffs twice, and put up 10 points in his sophomore season in 17 games. I really don't think there's much of a knock on his production come the playoffs. If you're focusing on the covid play-ins where the Jets lost Scheifele and Laine in game one of the series, if memory serves me right I think Blake Wheeler moved to center to play out the series because all we had for depth there was Lowry and Copp since Little was injured and Stastny was back in Vegas. That team was awful and gutted from losing their blue line in the off season. The writing was on the wall before the first game of the series even finished.

With that being said, you can't even compare Bratt's impact to Connor's in the playoffs because he's only played a single playoff game in five seasons. It's a strange argument to make considering you have no data to support it. He could hypothetically be anywhere on the spectrum of playoff performers and unless he completely blows the roof off when he does make it, you'd want to see some sort of consistency there before making any sort of judgment on his playoff performance abilities. My guess is with the Devils trending up with their young talent and him already establishing himself as an up and coming player that when NJD do make it, he's one of their more impactful performers. Bearing in mind he'll be 24 this season, and long past the bumps in the road that a player takes during his developmental years, I'd expect his playoff "PPG" type numbers to look good in the playoffs over the next 5-7 years assuming New Jersey can force their way into the playoff picture out East. Regardless of all the hypothetical mumbo jumbo, Kyle Connor is just the better player up to this point in time.
 
TS Quint said:
JFresh is shit. Just an excuse to pump a favorite player up or dump on a player you don’t like.

great. Bratt is really good at fake stats that don’t lead to winning hockey or any more points on the board. All you can say is “I hope at some point these stats lead to actual impact on the ice”.
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Impact on the ice? You mean like outscoring the opponent when you are on the ice?

5v5 numbers over the last 3 years:
Devils w/ Bratt +11 GD (120GF 109GA)
Devils w/o Bratt -101 GD (285GF 386GA)

Jets w/ Connor -6 GD (146GF 152GA)
Jets w/o Connor: +4GD (257GF 253GA)

So Bratt makes the Devils waaaay better, and the Jets are actually worse with Connor.
 
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ninetyeight said:
You do know that he (or other stat card creators) don't just 'make up' the stats. They're based on official stats and are only formated to a more readable form.

Jesper Bratt is absolutely an impact player on the ice already. Not only is he defensively solid ppg player, he's a play driver who makes everyone in his line better. Andreas Johnsson was a ppg player playing with him early last season, but once he was demoted from Bratt's line he hardly scored anything the rest of the season. There's bunch of game impacting factors that can't be measured with points alone. For instance to judge a shutdown defenceman advanced stats can be very valuable.
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Broad advanced stats are overrated in general and especially when the majority of people who point to them don't understand them. Just throwing up a Jfresh card is completely meaningless. This is a clear example. Bratt's Jfresh card probably looks better than Connor's but you would have to be some kind of special to think Bratt is better than Connor.

WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
Impact on the ice? You mean like outscoring the opponent when you are on the ice?

5v5 numbers over the last 3 years:
Devils w/ Bratt +11 GD (120GF 109GA)
Devils w/o Bratt -101 GD (285GF 386GA)

Jets w/ Connor -6 GD (146GF 152GA)
Jets w/o Connor: +4GD (257GF 253GA)

So Bratt makes the Devils waaaay better, and the Jets are actually worse with Connor.
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Thanks for making my point. Broad generalizations that take very little of the game of hockey into account.
 
TS Quint said:
Thanks for making my point. Broad generalizations that take very little of the game of hockey into account.
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You asked about impact on winning hockey games - is outscoring the opponent not impactful?

When Connor is on the ice the Jets have been outscored by the opponent, but the inverse is true with Connor off the ice. Meanwhile, the exact opposite is true with respect to Bratt and the Devils.
 
heretik27 said:
He's spent the last two summers ripping on the Jets and their players. I suppose it's possible he hates New Jersey more, but the poll results are pretty conclusive here.
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Three tiers better? Don't mistake his hatred for the Devils as love for the Jets. He thinks most rangers top6 guys are also better than Connor.
 
Lays said:
Not even an opinion lol literal fact


Post a quote with me ripping on a Jets player.
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Start by picking any thread from last off season where you whined about Scheifele being voted ahead of Zibby for weeks on end in the polls section.
 
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