Kucherov started off where he finished on top after being robbed of the Hart

[DFC]

Stamkos, on the other hand, has 0 points in 4 games. Not a very good start to his stint in Nashville.

The sad truth is, for the last two years or so, Stamkos has been a product of Kucherov. He's going to struggle in Nashville. I know Nashville has talented players, but Kucherov is a different beast.

Stamkos, at this stage, will drag talented players down before they pull him up. It takes a special player to utilize his remaining skillset.

 

[vippe]

The start of this year hasnt really changed my view of the top players of the league. It's too soon.

With that said, Kucherov was the best player in the league last year in my book and thus continues to be so for the time being.

 

[RDTBay4]

kucherov currently has as of this minute 5 points. 2 of them are empty net goals. Soooooo math guy over here 2 divided by 5 equals .4, convert that into a percentage and poof 40%.

Lol covid Cups. Theyre worth the same in the history books, but we all know they aren't equal.

And ironically, I could argue the Avs could be going for 4 this year if Nuke didnt have a drug problem. Quit on them mid series two years in a row. Pretend like the Lightning lose Stamkos those two Cup runs. See what happens.

Stamkos only played in one game, for 2:47, in the first of the two Cups.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Weird flex when Kucherov had already won a Hart/Lindsay and 2 cups before him, not to mention the two art rosses kucherov has that Nate doesnt

Check out the premise of this thread.

 

[benfranklin]

ummmmmmmmmm.....

Point was losing your third most important player. Insert Point, Hedman, Stamkos, whatever.

Obv I know he came out for 10 seconds, sniped one, then got his ring.

Stamkos only played in one game, for 2:47, in the first of the two Cups.

And wwas very important in the 2nd. The point of the comment still stands.

 

[Rschmitz]

Point was losing your third most important player. Insert Point, Hedman, Stamkos, whatever.

Obv I know he came out for 10 seconds, sniped one, then got his ring.


And wwas very important in the 2nd. The point of the comment still stands.

Can you clarify the point you are trying to make if you know this?

 

[benfranklin]

Can you clarify the point you are trying to make if you know this?

That poster decided to go at MacKinnon for not winning back to back Cups which dominoe'd into Covid Cup not being worth the same which then dominoe'd into Nichushkin's drug problem and how he left mid series two years in a row and comparing that to Stamkos, which I digress was a weak comparison since Stamkos essentially didnt play in the first Cup run, but point being was losing a Point, Stamkos, Hedman mid playoffs. Maybe the lightning wouldnt have that 2nd Cup or the Avs would have another.

basically this entire troll thread is aimed at MacKinnon and shocker, fans are coming to defend.

 

[DFC]

kucherov currently has as of this minute 5 points. 2 of them are empty net goals. Soooooo math guy over here 2 divided by 5 equals .4, convert that into a percentage and poof 40%.

Lol covid Cups. Theyre worth the same in the history books, but we all know they aren't equal.

And ironically, I could argue the Avs could be going for 4 this year if Nuke didnt have a drug problem. Quit on them mid series two years in a row. Pretend like the Lightning lose Stamkos those two Cup runs. See what happens.

The ignorance here, particularly in the last line, is hilarious.

 

[benfranklin]

The ignorance here, particularly in the last line, is hilarious.

Insert Hedman then. I wrote it quick without remembering that Stamkos had his quick shift to get him a ring even though he was a glorified cheerleader the entire bubble. The point is still accurate that the Lightning may not have either ring if you delete one of their top scorers mid series aka it wouldnt be Kuch's fault like it isnt Mac's.

 

[DFC]

Insert Hedman then. I wrote it quick without remembering that Stamkos had his quick shift to get him a ring even though he was a glorified cheerleader the entire bubble. The point is still accurate that the Lightning may not have either ring if you delete one of their top scorers mid series aka it wouldnt be Kuch's fault like it isnt Mac's.

So you're saying delete two of them. Because we deleted one and it was fine.

 

[These Are The Days]

kucherov currently has as of this minute 5 points. 2 of them are empty net goals. Soooooo math guy over here 2 divided by 5 equals .4, convert that into a percentage and poof 40%.

Lol covid Cups. Theyre worth the same in the history books, but we all know they aren't equal.

And ironically, I could argue the Avs could be going for 4 this year if Nuke didnt have a drug problem. Quit on them mid series two years in a row. Pretend like the Lightning lose Stamkos those two Cup runs. See what happens.

Watch out, we've got us a badass over here

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Panarin just had a hat trick last night and an assist

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

140 points over his past 74 games.

Higher level than mcdavids 153 point season. Very interesting

 

[Video Nasty]

Higher level than mcdavids 153 point season. Very interesting

We can cherry pick any beginning and ending point we want. I did that when I made the cut off point for Kucherov after his first 10 games last year (11 points up to that point).

For instance, McDavid had 98 points in the final 50 games of 2020-2021 and 44 in the first 24 of 2021-2022, which gives him 142 in 74 games. He scored his 153 during a contained season, with two equal halves of production with 76 points in 41 first half games and 77 points in 41 second half games, beat the runner up by 25 points who was his own teammate, and demolished #3 Kucherov by 40, so you don’t want to go there.

Either way, they’ve both played at a higher level than Crosby ever did.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

We can cherry pick any beginning and ending point we want. I did that when I made the cut off point for Kucherov after his first 10 games last year (11 points up to that point).

For instance, McDavid had 98 points in the final 50 games of 2020-2021 and 44 in the first 24 of 2021-2022, which gives him 142 in 74 games. He scored his 153 during a contained season, with two equal halves of production with 76 points in 41 first half games and 77 points in 41 second half games, beat the runner up by 25 points who was his own teammate, and demolished #3 Kucherov by 40, so you don’t want to go there.

Either way, they’ve both played at a higher level than Crosby ever did.

Lol no. And if you think kucherov right now is better than 2011-2013 crosby then i honestly feel sorry for you.

 

[sensfan4lifee]

Insert Hedman then. I wrote it quick without remembering that Stamkos had his quick shift to get him a ring even though he was a glorified cheerleader the entire bubble. The point is still accurate that the Lightning may not have either ring if you delete one of their top scorers mid series aka it wouldnt be Kuch's fault like it isnt Mac's.

Actually tampa has incredible depth during there cups runs, also hall of fame goaltending and a very good defense, you come off as someone trying to diminish how good a team was, which is sad because nothing you are saying is even remotely true. they won because of depth

 

[Master P]

Insert Hedman then. I wrote it quick without remembering that Stamkos had his quick shift to get him a ring even though he was a glorified cheerleader the entire bubble.

Something tells me you remember EVERYTHING from those Tampa runs

 

[sensfan4lifee]

We can cherry pick any beginning and ending point we want. I did that when I made the cut off point for Kucherov after his first 10 games last year (11 points up to that point).

For instance, McDavid had 98 points in the final 50 games of 2020-2021 and 44 in the first 24 of 2021-2022, which gives him 142 in 74 games. He scored his 153 during a contained season, with two equal halves of production with 76 points in 41 first half games and 77 points in 41 second half games, beat the runner up by 25 points who was his own teammate, and demolished #3 Kucherov by 40, so you don’t want to go there.

Either way, they’ve both played at a higher level than Crosby ever did.

I mean you're ignoring the fact that were in a higher scoring era, if you insert a young Crosby into this era he's putting up 130 plus points to, the dude scored 100 points at 18,

 

[daver]

Came back to see if the thread has lowered from the high bar of reasonable discourse set in the OP.

 

[Matsun]

We can cherry pick any beginning and ending point we want. I did that when I made the cut off point for Kucherov after his first 10 games last year (11 points up to that point).

For instance, McDavid had 98 points in the final 50 games of 2020-2021 and 44 in the first 24 of 2021-2022, which gives him 142 in 74 games. He scored his 153 during a contained season, with two equal halves of production with 76 points in 41 first half games and 77 points in 41 second half games, beat the runner up by 25 points who was his own teammate, and demolished #3 Kucherov by 40, so you don’t want to go there.

Either way, they’ve both played at a higher level than Crosby ever did.

I think Kucherovs most impressive strech might actually have been November 14 2018-end of that season.

Scoring at a 140 point pace at that time was incredible.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

This doesn't seem like a particularly productive thread

 

[Video Nasty]

Lol no. And if you think kucherov right now is better than 2011-2013 crosby then i honestly feel sorry for you.

This isn’t the only time Kucherov has put together long stretches of high level play, as noted by @Matsun in post #145.

Crosby of 2010-2011 through 2012-2013 is a legend that is way overblown. He had a 25 game heater after a slow start in 2010-2011 that juiced his per game numbers since he obviously only played half a season. 2011-2012 has no real conclusion to be draw. 2012-2013. He played this shortened season at a level no higher than anything we’ve seen some of the high end talent the last few seasons. Either way, it’s a short stretch of play for Crosby, Frankenstein’s monster stitched together over parts of partial seasons.

It was a beautiful 25 game point streak in 2010-2011 (that ended before the concussion). My preference is when a player puts together multiple, much longer stretches.

I mean you're ignoring the fact that were in a higher scoring era, if you insert a young Crosby into this era he's putting up 130 plus points to, the dude scored 100 points at 18,

And by bringing up Crosby’s production at age 18 (awesome rookie year no question about it), you’re ignoring that scoring was essentially the same in that particular year with the highest amount of powerplays ever awarded.

I don’t doubt that Crosby would routinely hit 120, achieve at least a few 130+, but I’m not so sure about scoring at an extended (70+ games) 155 point pace or getting 153 in a beginning to end self-contained season effort like McDavid. Scoring 93 and 94 at age 35 and 36 seems like decent evidence he can tag on 40 points if he were ten years younger. But then I look at him at age 22 and I’m not so sure that he tags on 40 points just because scoring is up 10-12% in 2022-2023 and 2023-2024 compared to 2009-2010.

 

[x Tame Impala]

This isn’t the only time Kucherov has put together long stretches of high level play, as noted by @Matsun in post #145.

Crosby of 2010-2011 through 2012-2013 is a legend that is way overblown. He had a 25 game heater after a slow start in 2010-2011 that juiced his per game numbers since he obviously only played half a season. 2011-2012 has no real conclusion to be draw. 2012-2013. He played this shortened season at a level no higher than anything we’ve seen some of the high end talent the last few seasons. Either way, it’s a short stretch of play for Crosby, Frankenstein’s monster stitched together over parts of partial seasons.

It was a beautiful 25 game point streak in 2010-2011 (that ended before the concussion). My preference is when a player puts together multiple, much longer stretches.



And by bringing up Crosby’s production at age 18 (awesome rookie year no question about it), you’re ignoring that scoring was essentially the same in that particular year with the highest amount of powerplays ever awarded.

I don’t doubt that Crosby would routinely hit 120, achieve at least a few 130+, but I’m not so sure about scoring at an extended (70+ games) 155 point pace or getting 153 in a beginning to end self-contained season effort like McDavid. Scoring 93 and 94 at age 35 and 36 seems like decent evidence he can tag on 40 points if he were ten years younger. But then I look at him at age 22 and I’m not so sure that he tags on 40 points just because scoring is up 10-12% in 2022-2023 and 2023-2024 compared to 2009-2010.

You’re a toy with a pull string at this point man. Crosby’s talent is second only to McDavid and career is the best of the post cap era. Get over yourself

 

[Video Nasty]

You’re a toy with a pull string at this point man. Crosby’s talent is second only to McDavid and career is the best of the post cap era. Get over yourself

If you believed that to your core, you wouldn’t even respond. Crosby can be those things, but it also doesn’t change the fact that his examples of sustained dominance are few and far between.

 

[x Tame Impala]

If you believed that to your core, you wouldn’t even respond. Crosby can be those things, but it also doesn’t change the fact that his examples of sustained dominance are few and far between.

Crosby IS those things. There is context for why his dominance is seemingly lessened. I have a feeling you really don't think Crosby would be putting up better numbers than Kucherov has if he were the same age in this era. Which is just flat out obtuse.