Kucherov started off where he finished on top after being robbed of the Hart

[Golden_Jet]

It’s 2 games lol

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Definitely a great player and potential hart nominee / future winner.

I felt McKinnon deserved the Hart and did not rob anyone. Only 1 winner

 

[nturn06]

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Leading the league in points per game.

I guess that this year's Art Ross is decided.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Mackinnon deserved it forsure on that Avs team. With a roster as good Tampa's you would think their fans would be more upset that the team didn't challenge for the Cup then whether a player won the Hart or not.

 

[Outl4w]

It’s 2 games lol

He out produced Mackinnon last year and Carried his team to the playoffs over a full season just to gift it to Mackinnon because kucherov is Russian .

He out produced Mackinnon last year and Carried his team to the playoffs over a full season just to gift it to Mackinnon because kucherov is Russian . A kucherovless lightning do not make the playoffs last year, but a Mackinnonless avs make it in that cupcake division.

 

[Romang67]

He out produced Mackinnon last year and Carried his team to the playoffs over a full season just to gift it to Mackinnon because kucherov is Russian . A kucherovless lightning do not make the playoffs last year, but a Mackinnonless avs make it in that cupcake division.

You don't think the Avs without MacKinnon might have dropped 15 points in the standings? That's quite the claim.

Mikko Rantanen and Nathan MacKinnon had roughly equal amount of time on the ice away from each other 5v5. When Rantanen was out there without MacKinnon, the Avs goal scoring rate dropped by over 2 goals per 60 minutes. Their xGF/60 dropped by around 1.2.

Not that it's relevant to this discussion, but when MacKinnon was out there without Rantanen, their goal scoring rate increased. And their xGF/60.

 

[thefutures]

All time great could get a hart this year

 

[TheDoldrums]

He out produced Mackinnon last year and Carried his team to the playoffs over a full season just to gift it to Mackinnon because kucherov is Russian . A kucherovless lightning do not make the playoffs last year, but a Mackinnonless avs make it in that cupcake division.

So it should go to someone on a borderline playoff team every year I guess? Seems like poor logic.

In all practicality it’s simply a “best player” award and efforts to parse or interpret the meaning of “valuable” rarely make sense to me. If they were truly looking for who brought the most value to a team I think there would be a lot more goalie wins, the difference between a Hellebuyck and a replacement goalie has a bigger impact on the standings than any skater imo. But it should really just be awarded to the best overall player that season. I wouldn’t even mind a non-playoff guy winning it if they cleared the field in a dominant fashion though I know that’s going too far for most people.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

He out produced Mackinnon last year and Carried his team to the playoffs over a full season just to gift it to Mackinnon because kucherov is Russian . A kucherovless lightning do not make the playoffs last year, but a Mackinnonless avs make it in that cupcake division.

4 points.

Just getting the Art Ross does not make you defacto MVP. It gives a good case though.

McKinnon Makar Rantanen 3 guys above 70 points.

Kucherov Stamkos Point Hedman Hagel 5 guys over 70.

I'd like to think removing MckInnon from his team would be a bigger difference maker.

My thoughts anyways

-We could discuss hitting over 50 goals possibly more important. McKinnon being a center effecting the game more defensively etc.

 

[dmac7719]

Nate was gifted the hart for his Canadian factor and he wasn't the best or most dominate player. Didn't he throw a tantrum last week or something? I just got my power back Saturday from the hurricane.

Was the Canadian factor the reason he was gifted the Ted Lindsay Award as well?

 

[Number8]

He out produced Mackinnon last year and Carried his team to the playoffs over a full season just to gift it to Mackinnon because kucherov is Russian . A kucherovless lightning do not make the playoffs last year, but a Mackinnonless avs make it in that cupcake division.

Someone needs a cuddle.

 

[Video Nasty]

Second best player in the game. Hope he hits 150 this season.

 

[Regal]

This level of saltiness should be reserved for fans of franchises that haven’t won cups recently

 

[WarriorOfGandhi]

I didn't read the OP very closely but I agree with him that Kucherov robbed MacKinnon of the 2019 Hart. Not only were the media reluctant to give it to a Canadian, but Kucherov was somehow "more valuable" when his best defenseman was Victor Hedman instead of Tyson Barrie.

 

[Voight]

I think the Hart & Pearson should've been split between the two given the historical context of Kucherovs season.

 

[dirtydanglez]

kuch got what he deserved last year, he was runner up because he was only the 2nd best player.

if mcdavid is healthy none of this will matter as it's his trophy to lose. kuch will have to fight mackinnon again this season for next best player. could go either way

 

[LeonDraisaitl]

Kucherov is the best forward behind McDavid the way I see it.

But Anze Kopitar would shut both of them down while scoring a game winner on top of that the way he’s playing right now.

Doughty is going to come back stronger than ever. I think the Kings might be the dark horse pick no one’s talking about

Yeah for sure, wait until Mcdavid meets the kings in the playoffs, eh?

 

[Soul Assumption]

if mcdavid is healthy none of this will matter as it's his trophy to lose.

I heard that McDavid was not very healthy in the first three games of this season that's why he scored 2 points. But in the game against Philadelphia, he was healthier and made 2 assists. Let's see if he is healthy in the next game. Anyway, everyone knows that McDavid can't lose the trophy to another player, if it happened, then the problem is his health.

 

[ricky0034]

PPG is an insane stat to use after 2 games lmao

especially when the games played amounts are so uneven

like Eichel had 6 points after his first 2 games he's just played more games since then

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

One of the more embarrassing threads of the year for sure. But as always, it at least provides a good laugh!

 

[GhostfaceWu]

You don't think the Avs without MacKinnon might have dropped 15 points in the standings? That's quite the claim.

Mikko Rantanen and Nathan MacKinnon had roughly equal amount of time on the ice away from each other 5v5. When Rantanen was out there without MacKinnon, the Avs goal scoring rate dropped by over 2 goals per 60 minutes. Their xGF/60 dropped by around 1.2.

Not that it's relevant to this discussion, but when MacKinnon was out there without Rantanen, their goal scoring rate increased. And their xGF/60.

You don't think without kucherov tampa was picking top 8 in the draft?

 

[Drew4u]

One of the more embarrassing threads of the year for sure. But as always, it at least provides a good laugh!

This is a pretty dumb thread but still not as bad as the "female sports threads and the sexual harassment" threads on the "business of hockey forums". LadyStanley should be banned from posting. Typical feminist trash.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Kucherov will win the Art ross again

 

[Crow]

I would have voted for Kuchie but robbed is a bit too strong a word. Both guys deserved it.

 

[Romang67]

You don't think without kucherov tampa was picking top 8 in the draft?

Sure. Doesn't seem relevant to the question about whether the Avs make the playoffs without MacKinnon, so I'm not sure why you'd ask.