Value of: Kubalik

[Czechboy]

Agree with the general sentiment.

Kubalik is not that necessary on the potentially very good Sens team.
Kubalik is most useful in a top 6 role with PP time

There are teams that could use a guy like him (PP and Top 6 for a good price) but he'd have to slot into top 6. It'll be hard to find a trade partner.

He's better than most NHL bottom 6 players.. true. But a lot of those guys can PK, get paid less and aren't really expected to score. He has a different (I'd argue better) skillset which is making him a bit of an outlier right now.

I'd wait till injuries pile up, move him to Top 6, raise his value and then trade him to a team looking for exactly him (and there will be). Even using my Oilers, he'd do great in our Top 6 if a guy like Hyman, Kane or Brown were to get a bad injury. He'd be a perfect sub in.

 

[TheBeard]

I’d take him on the sharks for free.

 

[samsagat]

Makes no sense for the Habs to do Kubalik for Ylonen. Kubalik is an expiring contract that, they want younger players not expiring UFA contracts.

Who would Kubalik displace on the power play (they use Dach Suzuki Caulfield and Monahan as F on PP)?

Assuming they trade Ylonen for Kubalik they still have the same number of players when Dvorak returns- if all healthy someone still has to be exposed to waivers. Most likely someone else is on IR by then.

Only reason to acquire Kubalik is to flip at deadline - the return at the deadline is unlikely to be an upgrade on Ylonen.

It makes no sense for the Habs.

Players like Kubalik are best moved in off season before teams have filled out rosters and spent their money. Sens are trading from a place of weakness- that will affect any return significantly

Makes no sense for the Habs?

Well it's your opinion and it's ok.

But for me, an ex 30something goal scorer, PP specialist (which the Habs need), soon to be UFA that could be flipped for something better than Ylonen, that has actually no value, at the TD, is surely a strategy that have sense for me.

You might not agree with me, but I don't agree with you... so let's agree to disagree

I don't know what you think Ylonen value is, but a lot of people taught he could be sent to the AHL (and waiver) without an afterthought...

Now you're making it like if loosing him for a proven scorer, a tradable UFA at the TD, would be a huge mistake...

 

[MoreGore]

A top 6 forward earning 2 million? I'll take that off your hands.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Kubalik has zero value.

 

[saska sault]

Kubalik has zero value.

If Kubalik scores 20 by the deadline, and can be on a contender at 50%, he may be worth a 1st. Is he worth a 1st right now? No. Any team going for a deep run that wants a finisher with a late 1st is making a move like that.

He had a solid season with the Wings but it was clear they needed to upgrade to push the needle. He was our Debrincat last year for lack of a better comparison.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Assuming he clears...

Eric Robinson + 4th 2026 for Kubalik?

 

[Lunatik]

A 3rd, a 4th, or even just a serviceable, cheap 4th line/waiver exempt depth player. I wouldnt even be shocked if we do something like Kubalik + 6th for a 4th. Whatever, just get it done with.

I suspect Kubalik could return a 2nd, maybe more with retention at the deadline.

There's also the possibility of a team using a retention slot on Kubalik right now and flipping him to a contender at $1.25m.

Kubalik to Calgary for a 3rd and Dryden Hunt is something I would do... Hunt isn't waiver exempt, but is serviceable and makes under 800k.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Kubalik has zero value.

This is false.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Kubalik to Calgary for a 3rd and Dryden Hunt is something I would do... Hunt isn't waiver exempt, but is serviceable and makes under 800k.

I'd jump on that personally, or a better player than Hunt with no/lesser pick

 

[sennysensen]

20 goal scorer, good shot, depth scoring.

At the trade deadline, Kubalik would be worth a 2nd. Don't laugh. Ryan Dzingel got 2 2nds.

Right now, Kubalik is worth a 3rd. Early in season, not many teams looking to add.

There's like 10 teams with the cap space. Knowing the Sens predicament, teams would probably offer a 4th. Sens should take it.

Nobody is going to pass up the chance to get Kubalik cheap if they need scoring depth, as he would help their team.

He makes $2.5 mil, is UFA after this season.

The problem with Joseph is he is owed $9 million over 3 years. I'd rather have Joseph than Kubalik if their contracts were the same. Speed and good defense. Yes, he's overpaid by $1.5 mil per year. So, better to keep him than give up a 1st round pick. Him being overpaid doesn't matter anymore when the cap goes up, $5 mil in dead contracts are gone, Tarasenko is gone. Kubalik is more dispensable for the Sens, Tarasenko does everything he does, but much better.

My fear is that Dorion would never trade Kubalik due to personal pride as he tries to salvage the DeBrincat situation. If this is the case, he should be fired.

Trading Kubalik doesn't hurt the future as he's UFA after the season anyways.

Trading Joseph hurts as it costs a 1st round pick, would be stupid to do.

Trading Brannstrom is also stupid, as it hurts the Sens' depth on D a lot. As their #5 he's far better than their 6-9 defensemen. He's their only defenseman who has looked serviceable in the top 4 when filling in due to one of their top 4 being injured.

I'd do a deal for Pesce if Carolina kept half his salary to even things out, or we added Brannstrom to the deal.

Kubalik + Brannstrom + 1st -> Pesce @50%

The favourite to come out of the east isn't trading a high end defensive defenseman for depth players and future, as they're trying to win the cup.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Ottawa needs to wait until a top 6 player from a good team goes on LTIR. Its not easy to move any money right now.

 

[Petes2424]

Because everyone in the world knows the circumstance? Lucky to get 5th rounder. Likely less.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Kubalik for a 3rd would be ideal for Ottawa. He's worth a 2nd in the summer or at the deadline IMO but they will have to give someone a deal in their situation. Moving his $2.5M allows them to give $2.2M of that to Pinto and still have a 13th forward or 7th defenceman once Norris is ready (soon?)

If Norris isn't ready soon, put him on LTIR and give Kubalik Top 6 and PP opportunities to pump his value up while Norris is on LTIR, then you make the same move.

Pinto is much more important, short and log term, than Kubalik. Also we need guys like Joseph and Branny. Kubalik made sense until we signed Tarasenko. We only need one of them.

If he was worth that in the summer he would have been traded. And I think we've seen time and time again that players like Kubalik don't have much value at the deadline because almost no buyers need what he brings.

 

[Boud]

Because everyone in the world knows the circumstance? Lucky to get 5th rounder. Likely less.

That's what it comes down to unfortunately.

He'd be a great option for a pump and dump for some bottom feeders who can give him some top 6 minutes. 1 year deal at low AAV with 0 risk.

At 2.5M he will have really decent value at the deadline. He plays with pace and can score goals in the middle 6. I could see a few teams being interested but the return won't be good.

Any team potentially acquiring him will have a good deal here... If he's traded of course...

I think people around the league underate him a little bit because he got some hype in his first year with the Hawks. He's not necessarily a top 6 or bust type of player, like Hoffman for example. He can push the pace and forecheck.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

This is false.

Actually, it's true.

You don't need players like Kubalik to win Cups nor is any GM saying at the deadline " you know what we need to push us over the edge into Cup contender? (Slams finger down on Ipad) this guy, Dominic Kubalik".

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Actually, it's true.

You don't need players like Kubalik to win Cups nor is any GM saying at the deadline " you know what we need to push us over the edge into Cup contender? (Slams finger down on Ipad) this guy, Dominic Kubalik".

Damn, so TSN, Sportsnet and whatnot have been lying to me and there isn't a bunch of trades at, or around the trade deadline ? There's just a few for star players and that's it ?

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Damn, so TSN, Sportsnet and whatnot have been lying to me and there isn't a bunch of trades at, or around the trade deadline ? There's just a few for star players and that's it ?

Lol wat?

We're talking about Kubalik.

Nobody is giving anything of value for him.

 

[Kaibur]

Barring an injury ahead of him on the depth chart, Ottawa isn't using Kubalik like Detroit did. I expect Kubalik's production to be closer to 2 years ago than last year, because his usage in Ottawa will be more like his final year in Chicago than last year in Detroit.

In CHI, he played on PP2 (7th in PP time). In DET, he played PP1 (5th in PP time). In OTT, he plays PP2 (currently 8th in PP time).

15-17-32 in 78 GP avg 14:31 with 3-6-9 PP points (CHI)
20-25-45 in 81 GP avg 14:54 with 7-10-17 PP points (DET)

A guy on pace for 15 goals and 32 points at the trade deadline isn't pulling a 2nd round pick. If a team is trading for Kubalik to pump and dump, they'd need to pay a low acquisition cost and have a place for him on their top PP or on their top line. I don't see a team with cap and an open roster spot today.

And you're not hearing Kubalik's name in the rumors about who Dorion is trying to unload to create cap. It's Joseph and Brannstrom.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Lol wat?

We're talking about Kubalik.

Nobody is giving anything of value for him.

Doesn’t need to have a lot of value

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Barring an injury ahead of him on the depth chart, Ottawa isn't using Kubalik like Detroit did. I expect Kubalik's production to be closer to 2 years ago than last year, because his usage in Ottawa will be more like his final year in Chicago than last year in Detroit.

In CHI, he played on PP2 (7th in PP time). In DET, he played PP1 (5th in PP time). In OTT, he plays PP2 (currently 8th in PP time).

To be fair, Ottawa should score significantly more at ES & on the PP than either of those teams did.

Either way, it's irrelevant because unless Ottawa trades him to make room for Pinto, Kubalik won't be traded. He's a useful player on a cheap contract, even if he doesn't necessarily fill a need.

 

[Kaibur]

To be fair, Ottawa should score significantly more at ES & on the PP than either of those teams did.

Either way, it's irrelevant because unless Ottawa trades him to make room for Pinto, Kubalik won't be traded. He's a useful player on a cheap contract, even if he doesn't necessarily fill a need.

Agree with you on both of these.

And isn't part of the issue that trading Kubalik alone doesn't totally solve the problem? It swaps Kubalik for Pinto, but the team still runs a very short roster or still has to waive Joseph on top of it.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Agree with you on both of these.

And isn't part of the issue that trading Kubalik alone doesn't totally solve the problem? It swaps Kubalik for Pinto, but the team still runs a very short roster or still has to waive Joseph on top of it.

Trading Kubalik gives us room for Pinto on a 21 man roster. Would be tight but not impossible to navigate.

 

[MoreGore]

Serious question, is Kubalik/Joseph and Greig more valuable to Ottawa than Pinto?

The only reason to trade Kubalik/Joseph is to make room for Pinto. Pinto would then push Greig to the AHL.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Serious question, is Kubalik/Joseph and Greig more valuable to Ottawa than Pinto?

The only reason to trade Kubalik/Joseph is to make room for Pinto. Pinto would then push Greig to the AHL.

Greig would play 3C. Most likely Chartier would go to the A, or maybe MacEwen/Kelly (although both have been good to start the season).