Confirmed with Link: Kruger 3 year, $9.25m extension

[RememberTheRoar]

I've stated several times you don't pay ANY. Those are luxury items a team paying this many stars just can't budget for.

Gotcha, I understand your point. I think Panarin is the only other player to get a big raise going forward. The rest of the holes will be filled by sub-$1 million guys.

I think with that strategy, this move fits in the budget. Unfortunately, I think that also means an uncertain future for Teravainen.

 

[Venthon]

Much more eloquently stated than I would have. These entire boards are a total time sink with no real impact on anything than as a sounding board.

Yeah, but we love this time sink.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

They're also roles you probably stand no good chance of finishing and winning it all without

Right, but fourth line center and third line RW are roles that are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier to fill with ELC players/cheap veterans.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Yeah, but we love this time sink.

I've been posting here for a decade longer than you have my man, preaching to the choir. Intelligent discourse about hockey is non-existent in my social circles outside of this board. I promise I don't mean any ill will towards you for disagreeing about Kruger. If anything I appreciate your willingness to indulge in it with me.

 

[Blackhawks]

What a pathetic over payment, Stan has done it again. Big thumbs up for Stan the man!

 

[Venthon]

I've been posting here for a decade longer than you have my man, preaching to the choir. Intelligent discourse about hockey is non-existent in my social circles outside of this board. I promise I don't mean any ill will towards you for disagreeing about Kruger. If anything I appreciate your willingness to indulge in it with me.

I know you're personally addressing me, but I was just speaking in general. All of us fans love these boards, because of the people.

It goes both ways, my friend. All in the nature of the beast. A decade ago puts it to nearing my 18th birthday, for reference sake. I love a good debate, with both sides well argued. Let's keep this thing going! All is good, no worries. I live for this ****. Intelligent discourse is something sadly lacking in our society these days, the fact that we're having exactly that about a sport that lets people assault each other is kind of hilarious, I must say.

 

[tdfxman]

at a 72.5M cap next season, Shaw at around 2.5 or bicks has to move.

I have said, and still say, both Shaw and Kruger are back. lol.

This doesn't change anything.

Krueger is a good useful player who has a great role here. 2.65 is it avg over these 4 years. I would take that every time.

Shaw will be back.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Why are people averaging out this deal over 4 years? Even if there was a handshake agreement between Kruger and Bowman, and that's all speculation on our part, that still doesn't justify a relative overpayment over a real-world three year contract.

 

[Venthon]

Why are people averaging out this deal over 4 years? Even if there was a handshake agreement between Kruger and Bowman, and that's all speculation on our part, that still doesn't justify a relative overpayment over a real-world three year contract.

Because it gave flexibility for THIS years cap. He got underpaid for a year, by a good chunk of change, so he gets overpaid by a smaller chunk of change over time.

 

[Sarava]

Yikes, this a bit rich for a 4th liner.

 

[ThatSaid]

Kind of confusing in a way. I like Kruger as much as the next guy, but he's been out pretty much all year, and we don't know what he'll look like when he gets back. Great defensive center without a lick of offensive upside or scoring touch.

You'd think not playing all year would hurt his value in free agency a bit, and that he'd be more receptive to a smaller extension. Oh well, I trust Stan.

 

[JaegerDice]

Right, but fourth line center and third line RW are roles that are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier to fill with ELC players/cheap veterans.

Then the Hawks are in a catch 22, because there's no way Q is going to trust somebody on an ELC with the tough defensive minutes that Kruger takes, and any veteran NHLers that CAN take those minutes effectively isn't going to get paid league minimum.

Simply put, most 4th liners don't even attempt to do the job Kruger does, let alone do it as well.

Kruger is pretty much crucial to the Blackhawks deployment strategy. Short of completely overhauling it, we need him.

I maintain that Seabrook is the luxury contract we can't afford moving forward.

 

[ClydeLee]

It's a shame he can't play with Bolig who carried and boosted up his offensive production so well no more.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

People keep stating that Kruger is a 4th liner, which I guess is technically true, but most 4th liners aren't anywhere near as important as he is. I view him as more of a bottom 6 center, that can go up against opposing top lines while helping take pressure off Chicago's top lines.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Then the Hawks are in a catch 22, because there's no way Q is going to trust somebody on an ELC with the tough defensive minutes that Kruger takes, and any veteran NHLers that CAN take those minutes effectively isn't going to get paid league minimum.

Simply put, most 4th liners don't even attempt to do the job Kruger does, let alone do it as well.

Kruger is pretty much crucial to the Blackhawks deployment strategy. Short of completely overhauling it, we need him.

I maintain that Seabrook is the luxury contract we can't afford moving forward.

There's about 2.5 million dollars between the league minimum and Kruger's raise.

We're also doing pretty well without him this year.

I'm also with you in that Seabrook is going to be viewed as a bad contract before the third year. But top pairing defenseman are a position you can overpay.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

Little too steep on the price for my liking.

 

[Pez68]

Much like the Bickell contract, come back and talk to me in a couple years. This will be an awful contract that will likely cost the Hawks another much more important player.

You don't sign the Bryan Bickells of the NHL at the expense of the Brandon Saads.

The same way you don't sign the Marcus Krugers of the NHL at the expense of Artemi Panarin.

This is just another step in the WRONG direction, regardless of how much I love Kruger's game.

Kruger has not and never will be worth $3M+ a season. Period.

Please explain to me how the Hawks have missed Kruger over the time he has been injured, and how that void is worth $3M a season.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

I don't see the point of complaining about Seabrook's contract right now. They're not going to find a comparable replacement for him at half the cost. Worry about years 6-8 of it when it gets to that point. They need him to remain elite now and over the next few years.

 

[Pez68]

Seabrook's contract is not in any way comparable to contracts like this. Kruger is nothing more than a 3rd/4th liner. His offensive production is abysmal. He is great defensively, but nothing but average in the faceoff circle.

How the **** is a 4th liner that is atrocious offensively, great defensively, average at faceoffs, and a good PKer worth $3M a season???? In what world is this not an overpayment?

HE IS COMPLETELY REPLACEABLE.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Seabrook's contract is not in any way comparable to contracts like this. Kruger is nothing more than a 3rd/4th liner. His offensive production is abysmal. He is great defensively, but nothing but average in the faceoff circle.

How the **** is a 4th liner that is atrocious offensively, great defensively, average at faceoffs, and a good PKer worth $3M a season???? In what world is this not an overpayment?

HE IS COMPLETELY REPLACEABLE.

They're paying him to be the Kruger of last year, which is in all fairness an absolute monster on draws.

 

[ManChild20]

Much like the Bickell contract, come back and talk to me in a couple years. This will be an awful contract that will likely cost the Hawks another much more important player.

You don't sign the Bryan Bickells of the NHL at the expense of the Brandon Saads.

The same way you don't sign the Marcus Krugers of the NHL at the expense of Artemi Panarin.

This is just another step in the WRONG direction, regardless of how much I love Kruger's game.

Kruger has not and never will be worth $3M+ a season. Period.

Please explain to me how the Hawks have missed Kruger over the time he has been injured, and how that void is worth $3M a season.

Just out of curiousity...will you be using points scored by him personally as your main argument for this? Serious question...because the people defending the contract are not suggesting his value comes from that. Defensive studs deserve to be paid as well. It's not the sexiest thing in the world, but the value is there.

 

[Pez68]

They're paying him to be the Kruger of last year, which is in all fairness an absolute monster on draws.

53.28 is certainly not a "monster on draws". It is above average. He had a great year in 2013-2014, but has been nothing but a 51% faceoff man throughout his career.

Nothing to really get excited about.

 

[Pez68]

Just out of curiousity...will you be using points scored by him personally as your main argument for this? Serious question...because the people defending the contract are not suggesting his value comes from that. Defensive studs deserve to be paid as well. It's not the sexiest thing in the world, but the value is there.

Of course not, because that's not his purpose on this team. However, a certain level of offense should be expected out of even your 4th line players....

No, the value really isn't there. Giving completely one-dimensional defensive centers this kind of contract makes no sense.

The Hawks have not missed a beat without Kruger this season. That is undeniable, and I would love to see evidence to the contrary.

 

[ClydeLee]

Of course not, because that's not his purpose on this team. However, a certain level of offense should be expected out of even your 4th line players....

No, the value really isn't there. Giving completely one-dimensional defensive centers this kind of contract makes no sense.

The Hawks have not missed a beat without Kruger this season. That is undeniable, and I would love to see evidence to the contrary.

The dwindling of the PK, especially with many other flaws like AA's draws in that spot.

I just don't get, do you qualify this "regression" as absolute and certain or was it just brandon bolig carrying the weight that caused him to produce a good season?

 

[Blackhawks]

He is overpaid by a million, these contracts always hurt the team. Toews is over paid by a couple million, we still have Bickel overpaid by 4 Million through next year. Say goodbye to signing Panarin and Shaw.