LORDE
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Quinn was a hell of a hockey player. Injury kept him from NHL IIRC
Confirmed with Link: Kris Knoblauch named head coach of Hartford Wolf Pack
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GeorgeKaplan
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egelband
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I'd say he deserves a shot if he's of the right mindset. Not saying he's necessarily the right guy for a particular job but I don't get the thinking that he doesn't deserve a chance. Why? Because he was selfish or has some personality flaws? He's not a criminal and he did great things for the Rangers franchise. It's possible he has grown up a bit.
Grown up? He's pushing 60. This rebuild is too important to be handing out key positions of nostalgia.
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I think the most I’d let him do with his experience is be an assistant in Hartford, but he only seems interested in stepping right into a prominent role without doing any of the work
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Most coaches do start at lower levels and work their way up. It's funny that sometimes it's your 3rd/4th liners or guys who spent more time in the AHL than the NHL who make the best coaches and not the superstars. Sometimes it's because sitting on the bench a lot and sticking around for years turned them into students of the game. Always looking to enhance their games even in small ways to survive just one more year and that can take a lot of determination--a guy say like Berube--it ain't easy carving out a long career fighting about 400 times. I can tell you I never liked Berube but you almost have to respect what he's done. He's old school and yet he's able to adapt to the way things are now. Gerard Gallant's another like that--tough as nails pain in the ass motherf***er. Glen Sather too--a smallish winger but a really gnarly game.
Hakstol likely heading to Edmonton as Tippett’s assistant.
Guy Boucher the last guy I want in Hartford. Runs a 1-4, drives players crazy with defensive responsibilities and after one good year, the players quit on him. Check this track record.
What I’d really like to see is a top Junior A or College coach who wants to works his way up to the NHL.
Guy Boucher the last guy I want in Hartford. Runs a 1-4, drives players crazy with defensive responsibilities and after one good year, the players quit on him. Check this track record.
What I’d really like to see is a top Junior A or College coach who wants to works his way up to the NHL.
It's always the lower level guys who coach. First, they don't rely on natural ability or reputation. Second they tend to kick around to a lot of teams so they see a lot of styles. Third they play a lot of places so they make a lot of connections. Dom Moore is the new Scotty Bowman the second he takes a coaching job.
Why people like Girardi (Joe), Riley (Pat) made for great coaches whereas people like Gretzky did not.
Mess should start in Junior, or even lower. His record as a coach, not his record as a player, must be his calling card.
LORDE
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I've no idea how he would view Quinn, but if he can't say the guy was a damn good hockey player because he's crying (no pun intended) about not getting the HC job with the NYR himself having ZERO experience coaching (whereas Quinn has a very good resume) then I dunno. I'd chalk that up to sour grapes and would hold it against Mess, not against Quinn because of his PLAYER resume.
Show me another coach in any sport who didnt coach at any level for at least a season until he was 58 years old. The time for this talk has passed. Messier wanted to be handed the keys for his past performance. Thank God that didn't happen. Look how well the "knowledge of the game" crew has managed Edmonton.
Kris Knoblauch? He was a Flyers assistant coach under Hakstol. The Flyers didn't retain him after AV was hired. Knobluach was CMD's junior coach at Erie. He won an OHL championship with Erie. He won a WHL championship with Kootenay. Knoblauch is young guy. 40 years old.
He has head coaching experience in junior. NHL Assistant coaching experience. Knoblauch isn't getting an NHL head coaching job. Edmonton is hiring Tippett. Anaheim will probably hire Eakins.
Kris Knoblauch Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com
He has head coaching experience in junior. NHL Assistant coaching experience. Knoblauch isn't getting an NHL head coaching job. Edmonton is hiring Tippett. Anaheim will probably hire Eakins.
Kris Knoblauch Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com
Nah, I disagree a bit here, there is just more -- important aspects -- to it than this.
Whoever we get to coach HFD must be able to provide a lot of input to Drury on what it will take to play the way we want on the ice. That must come first. After that you must decide how many kids you can have on that roster, which prospects we should bring over and so forth. Up until now there has been zero connect in this regard.
How you play is certainly disconnected to a large extent from what you draw up on the white board before a game. To play a certain way you must be able to accomplish certain things on the ice. Many systems require a blueline that can pass the puck, centers that can skate with it and so forth. Forward that can play with the puck in traffic.
I've so many times seen HFD teams be instructed to play a certain way. But with a coach that don't understand how to learn a team improve in certain areas and without the personell to play that way either. Against those teams you have other AHL teams that are full with players that actually are pretty good checkers, not without speed and skill. The AHL is full of them, the biggest talents goes to the NHL while many of the better checkers remain in the AHL.
Gernander was certainly loyal and willing to have his team in the AHL play the same way as the team in the NHL -- but the result we got on the ice was really the complete opposite. Because they couldn't execute. Hence I think its essential that we from/in our AHL coach get someone that knows what it takes on the AHL level to accomplish certain things on the ice and make sure that we enter every season with just that on the roster. Then you can fit in the kids on the roster. But the AHL cannot keep being a dumping site were we stuff kids with good junior careers, free agents from Europe and some higher picks and hope for the best. You must build a team down there too.
It was so extremely obvious when Marek Hrivik came up to NY that he just wasn't well coached at all, not even remotely. He couldn't recognize what his teammates were trying to do. He couldn't read the play. I am sure Kenny G had taught him about the small plays around lines and what not, but the NHL game is about so much more. So much more advanced, and everyone must be on board for it to work. We -- must -- get that environment in HFD too. A team that thinks like a NHL team, keeps the puck within the team, use the entire attacking zone to get away from a defense overloading on you. That can enter the attacking zone with possession of the puck and so forth. Otherwise all kids that spends more than a few months in HFD will fall behind and do it fast. That is just horrible. Especially in combination that we have a management that wants to bring the kids to HFD really really early.
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Knoblauch is not a bad choice.
I'd look into Jon Slaney as well.
And if they're going to go with someone from the old guard that they know, Peter Dineen is a name that's attached to Gorton and JD. Longtime Bruin/Blue Jackets scout, became an assistant in the ECHL last year in the Devs organization.
I'd look into Jon Slaney as well.
And if they're going to go with someone from the old guard that they know, Peter Dineen is a name that's attached to Gorton and JD. Longtime Bruin/Blue Jackets scout, became an assistant in the ECHL last year in the Devs organization.
I think Paul MacLean would be a good figure.
Good with the players, but someone that everyone always will respect. He has been around some really successful organizations in the modern era. Is probably a long shot to get a coaching gig in the NHL, could settle for a high paid AHL job.
Good with the players, but someone that everyone always will respect. He has been around some really successful organizations in the modern era. Is probably a long shot to get a coaching gig in the NHL, could settle for a high paid AHL job.
I would like a career coach who is not still trying to establish his legacy and get the big contract. I don't want a guy who is going to lean on veterans and bench young players because he wants the wins. I honestly don't care about the record in Hartford. The agenda needs to be getting young players developed, getting them ice time and teaching. I don't want to see some 27 year olds playing all the top minutes.
LORDE
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Completely agree with this.
IF Mess wanted a position somewhere in the org, he should've been working towards it in some way over the past 20 years.
Lays
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Nailed it, Boucher kills creativity. I wanted Hakstol for the Hartford job but I doubt that happens, I think he didn’t have much to work with in Philly and he wasn’t that bad. Philly is just a mediocre team
Yeah, in that sense someone like MacLean would be a good fit, like Paddock for example. Ex. NHL coach who has proven himself, but probably won't attract a ton of interest. But that knows that he won't be judged by Ws and Ls in HFD.
Its not easy, McGill did a good job, but refused to coach the way that was the best for the franchise.
In addition, I also don't care about the W/Ls. But -- you must be able to play the way you want, and in today's game that means that you must play pretty good hockey. Have the puck etc. So I think it is important that we are good down there. Otherwise we will just defend.
On Boucher, he wasn't that defensive in Ottawa. But if he wants to play that way in HFD, I agree.
Must be the goal to get our AHL franchise to this level:
7 Marlies who could crack the Maple Leafs' lineup next season - Sportsnet.ca
7 Marlies who could crack the Maple Leafs' lineup next season - Sportsnet.ca
