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smoneil said:
But six other wingers either played better or had locked in spots. There was basically one open spot in the top 9. Blais won it. Kravtsov didn't. There is literally no metric you can point to other than "because you want it to be so" that has Krav beating Blais in the pre-season. It wasn't even close. And I'm fine, but this argument is so circular and annoying, but it keeps on going because one side keeps using facts, stats, and how things have always been done in the NHL, while the other side keeps on claiming the opposite to be true while literally ignoring every bit of the copious data that shows they are wrong.

Case in point--answer each of the following questions with either Kravtsov or Blais:

Who has better production the last two years?
Who performed better during this preseason?
Who has more attributes for a traditional 3rd line role?
Who has more experience/would be a better influence for a team looking to change its culture?

The answer to all four is Blais. If Krav could have out-performed Blais in the preseason, or even matched him while playing in 1.5 fewer games, there might be an argument. Krav lost the spot and was sent down to be groomed for a top 6 role later in the season (by which point you might be able to justify demoting a Kreider or a Blais or maybe even Kakko). But just giving him the spot right after he so clearly lost the competition in camp? That would have been bunk. Being mad that you didn't get a spot over a guy who handily out-played you in the preseason is delusional.
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Better production the last two years? He only played a few games at the end last year and looked good doing it.....on the 3rd line. This team needed a top 6/9 winger for the right side, Blais isn't gonna be that now or in the next year or two, Blais is the perfect bottom 6'er, love the player and I'm not even sure why you keep bringing him up, its Gauthier that should have been sent down, tell me how his production is over the last two years, even Hunt could have been sacrificed for Kravtsov. Kravtsov won a spot, your insistance that he didn't doesnt make it so. This team saw all they needed from Gauthier over the last year to know he's never gonna score enough to warrant top 6 or even top 9. If you're talking about players who never earned their spot you can focus on Lundkvist and Tinordi, because both of them were handed spots here when it was blatantly obvious Jones and Schneider were better. I don't know what it is you have against Kravtsov and his play but you aren't convincing me that he's better off in Russia, and that was absolutely what was going to happen when he got sent down, everyone knew that, after all they had to basically beg to get him to come over from Russia last year. This was the dumbest thing they could have done, he could have stayed as an extra forward no problem at all for the first of the season.
 
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LOFIN said:
I don't think anyone disagrees this is what should happen. But it should not happen by a way of offering Kravtsov a spot in the first team roster now after he has failed to report to the AHL. I would rather take that 2nd rounder in that case, instead of setting a horrible example to the rest of the prospects in the system.

The real failure was not trading Kravtsov before the camp.
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I agree, if the organization did not see Kravtsov as part of the future - TRADE HIM. What was the expectation? He is a top-6 player, not a grinder. There is no room for him on the roster. The kid is not going to be on standby in Hartford to be your utility player. Would it be a better option for him to do it and get traded? Yes. But that was simply not happening. The Rangers need to understand one thing - don't expect the players to think about the organizations best interest first. It's a business. Be smarter.
 
Absolut said:
I agree, if the organization did not see Kravtsov as part of the future - TRADE HIM. What was the expectation? He is a top-6 player, not a grinder. There is no room for him on the roster. The kid is not going to be on standby in Hartford to be your utility player. Would it be a better option for him to do it and get traded? Yes. But that was simply not happening. The Rangers need to understand one thing - don't expect the players to think about the organizations best interest first. It's a business. Be smarter.
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What makes you think they did not see him as part of the future because they did not think he was ready to contribute now? Right now he is not capable of being either either a top six player or a grinder.
 
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SA16 said:
What makes you think they did not see him as part of the future because they did not think he was ready to contribute now? Right now he is not capable of being either either a top six player or a grinder.
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He was ready to contribute now. Just not for this team.
 
KreiderBomb said:
Nyr- He's not a top 9 player for us
Also NYR - Hes a top 6 player in a trade.
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Not *exactly* untrue. He is a top 6 player in a trade, but our top 9 is so godlike and devastating that VK couldn't hope to crack it. Rangers Oilers/Islanders style dynasty coming up where we win like 34 straight playoff series we cannot afford to take a rider on a kid like him. Besides, McKegg is here.
 
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If the Rangers get a legit top 6 caliber talent in return I’d be surprised

also RB’s idea is shit so let’s hope they don’t do that.
 
mas0764 said:
I think they are grown ups and professionals themselves and are not gonna all throw their own temper tantrums because a 21 year old gets a tiny bit of special treatment.

And if any of them did that is why Gallant and Drury are getting paid millions, to f***ing explain it to them and make it work.

The days of old school “pay your dues,” and “tough love,” and “can’t let the players run the show,” are dead in pro sports. It’s a dinosaur mentality for the most part.

As much as I’d like it to still be the case in most instances, it’s just not. And the players not only understand it, it is they who want it that way. They are not gonna revolt because you make one exception to the rules.
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A tiny bit of special treatment? This isn't a window seat on the plane, it's a f---ing NHL roster spot.
 
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Seems to me like whatever intentions and plans the team had for VK changed quite a bit after lucking into KK and Laf. Once you have the #1&2 overall picks in the subsequent drafts, they kinda become the chosen ones and VK felt that.
 
AK2794 said:
Seems to me like whatever intentions and plans the team had for VK changed quite a bit after lucking into KK and Laf. Once you have the #1&2 overall picks in the subsequent drafts, they kinda become the chosen ones and VK felt that.
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And instead of busting his ass and proving that he's just as good as them, he stuck his hand out and stamped his feet when nothing was given to him.

Honestly, learning that he comes from a really wealthy family makes a ton of sense. Given his history and sense of entitlement, I'd be surprised if he's ever had to really work for anything in his life.
 
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clmetsfan said:
And instead of busting his ass and proving that he's just as good as them, he stuck his hand out and stamped his feet when nothing was given to him.

Honestly, learning that he comes from a really wealthy family makes a ton of sense. Given his history and sense of entitlement, I'd be surprised if he's ever had to really work for anything in his life.
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C’mon, you think his family just pulled some strings to get him drafted top 10 in the NHL draft? Nobody gets anywhere near that level without putting an insane amount of work in
 
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EdJovanovski said:
C’mon, you think his family just pulled some strings to get him drafted top 10 in the NHL draft? Nobody gets anywhere near that level without putting an insane amount of work in
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No, I think that he's an insanely talented player whose been able to get by on pure talent until now and doesn't have the work ethic needed to succeed now that he's in a position where talent alone is no longer enough.
 
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Under no circumstances should Drury trade Kravtsov for a draft pick. Try to work it out with him and in the meantime see if anyone is willing to give something that can help us this season.

Before he went back to Russia, i figured VK was destined to be moved at the deadline anyway, but this just expedites the process. If it were up to me, id be attempting to get Kessel with some salary retained. Veteran cup winner who would help solve our RW depth & secondary scoring issues.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
If the Rangers get a legit top 6 caliber talent in return I’d be surprised

also RB’s idea is shit so let’s hope they don’t do that.
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Why? Are we being too mean to Vitali? The offer has an expiration date. He needs to report to Hartford by November 1. Two weeks from today. Plenty of time. The time for hand holding is over. He owes them year. He is not playing anywhere until he fulfills his contract and signs a one year qualifier. His agent made that offer to other teams. Drury should accept that offer. Other players would run at the opportunity to play in the NHL. This stupid dumb ass jumps on a plane back to mother Russia. If he reported to Hartford last week, he would probably be playing tonight in Toronto. He is making things harder for himself. He is his own worst enemy. Time for tough love.
 
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clmetsfan said:
No, I think that he's an insanely talented player whose been able to get by on pure talent until now and doesn't have the work ethic needed to succeed now that he's in a position where talent alone is no longer enough.
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I think he's a kid who could probably be making 2 mill a year in the khl and instead this organization begged him to come back and made promises they didn't keep and now he doesn't want to make an AHL salary when guys like Tinordi, Gauthier, Hajek, Hunt are making NHL salaries. I think thats the problem
 
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clmetsfan said:
No, I think that he's an insanely talented player whose been able to get by on pure talent until now and doesn't have the work ethic needed to succeed now that he's in a position where talent alone is no longer enough.
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If he’s that lazy and somehow has so much talent he gets drafted top 10 without trying, this guy could be McDavid if he tried lmao. There are sports psychologists and all sorts of resources available to us, we should try to help him unlock that potential.

But I don’t think talent alone gets you as far as Kravtsov is, what makes you say it’s talent? Is it because of how flashy of a player he is? Stickhandling is a skill too, players practise hours and hours on it to get where they are. Nobody came out of the womb dangling like that. I play hockey and I am really into stick tricks, I can score lacrosse goals and all sorts of stuff. People may assume it’s some “talent” I have but I spent hours practising it
 
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