Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[gravey9]

They may hold all the cards over Kravtsov. But, it does them no good for him to sit. I heard a scout on NHL radio yesterday morning. Said he comes from a tremendously wealthy family. So, not sure the threat of him not getting paid is going to matter. If there are NHL teams interested, and one is making an offer that is even somewhat realistic, they should try to get this done sooner rather than later.

that's crazy logic. It's about getting the best value for the player. If they are getting lowball offers, serves them no good to trade him. If Kravtsov doesn't care about playing good for him, he can go into business now.

 

[smoneil]

On top of that I really got no time for Kravtsovs sensitive millennial BS
Grow up and be a pro. Hartford may not be the riveria of the east coast. But its not a toxic waste dump or a war zone.
So get over it.

To be fair to Millennials, the oldest wave of that generation are in their 40s now. Krav would be the generation after that (Z? Zoomers? Did they decide on an official name yet?).

 

[UnSandvich]

To be fair to Millennials, the oldest wave of that generation are in their 40s now. Krav would be the generation after that (Z? Zoomers? Did they decide on an official name yet?).

Whenever someone whines about millenials, i just laugh, because they almost never have any idea what they're actually talking about.

 

[smoneil]

I think they are grown ups and professionals themselves and are not gonna all throw their own temper tantrums because a 21 year old gets a tiny bit of special treatment.

And if any of them did that is why Gallant and Drury are getting paid millions, to f***ing explain it to them and make it work.

The days of old school “pay your dues,” and “tough love,” and “can’t let the players run the show,” are dead in pro sports. It’s a dinosaur mentality for the most part.

As much as I’d like it to still be the case in most instances, it’s just not. And the players not only understand it, it is they who want it that way. They are not gonna revolt because you make one exception to the rules.

When did those "old school" days of "earning your spot with your play rather than with your petulance" end? Asking for some friends (named Chytil, Barron, Jones, Schneider, Shesterkin, etc etc etc etc).

Sometimes decisions should be made for the future and not for winning the next game.

I completely agree. Like sending an almost there top talent to play top-line minutes and dominate the AHL so that he can be ready to play the role we need him to play (top 6 RW) a little later in the season.

 

[Peltz]

It’s been mentioned a couple times already but I think it’s pretty clear the team gave him indications he was going to make the team

It’s kinda funny things how things have shaken out with injuries, he literally would have been up with the team now if he just sucked it up and spent a week in Hartford rehabbing from his injury

If he were smart, he would have been on an NHL roster tomorrow in a top 6 role. If anyone got injured he would've gotten the call and we all knew it.

He also could have quietly asked for a trade rather than publicly. There were many things he could have done rather than throw a temper tantrum.

He wanted to blow everything up because he didn't get his way. What an ass.

 

[RangerBlues]

Whenever someone whines about millenials, i just laugh, because they almost never have any idea what they're actually talking about.

I have 4 millenial children
I might know what im talking about

 

[mas0764]

When did those "old school" days of "earning your spot with your play rather than with your petulance" end? Asking for some friends (named Chytil, Barron, Jones, Schneider, Shesterkin, etc etc etc etc).

A decade or so ago.

And you seem to be missing the point. Everyone acknowledges that the way all those examples did it, is the right way to do it.

The problem you and your ideological compatriots aren’t fully comprehending is that there is a time when making an exception for a player is ok and doesn’t cause organizational chaos and breakdown. Especially when an exception protects a valuable team asset, ie, his trade value.

Boo f***ing hoo if career bottom sixer Sammy Blais has to play on the fourth line instead of the third.

Developing Kravtsov or in the alternative getting good value for him in trade is more important to the long term success of the team than whatever minscule “message,” is sent by playing Blais on the third line cause he “earned it.” Can’t that message be sent by showing Kravtsov how Kreider earned a top 6 job? No? I call bullshit.

 

[smoneil]

A decade or so ago.

And you seem to be missing the point. Everyone acknowledges that the way all those examples did it, is the right way to do it.

The problem you and your ideological compatriots aren’t fully comprehending is that there is a time when making an exception for a player is ok and doesn’t cause organizational chaos and breakdown. Especially when an exception protects a valuable team asset, ie, his trade value.

Boo f***ing hoo if career bottom sixer Sammy Blais has to play on the fourth line instead of the third.

Developing Kravtsov or in the alternative getting good value for him in trade is more important to the long term success of the team than whatever minscule “message,” is sent by playing Blais on the third line cause he “earned it.” Can’t that message be sent by showing Kravtsov how Kreider earned a top 6 job? No? I call bullshit.

This is video game hockey. You want a team to implode on itself? Go right ahead with your plan of having different rules for players based not on what they do but on things like draft ranking or perceived future value. Players accept a bit of that (and always have--for guys in the top 2 or 3 of a draft class). For a 9th overall pick? You want a Sammy Blais to sacrifice his body and likely shorten his career by protecting guys like Kravtsov from guys like Wilson? You best not suggest in that locker room that Blais is a worthless bottom sixer who shouldn't get what he's earned because a spoiled crybaby needs coddled. And if that's the way things are going generationally, then sports are well on the way to being dead. Fortunately, I think that you are incorrect in this, and that the fact that the VAST majority of the league still does it the "right way" and guys like Kravtsov are aberrations is the proof of that.

 

[Hire Sather]

Let him chill in Russia.

Not trading him unless we get full value

 

[Synergy27]

What would happen if Kravtsov tried to sign and play in the KHL? Does the league have rules preventing that? Could the Rangers sue or something?

 

[gravey9]

What would happen if Kravtsov tried to sign and play in the KHL? Does the league have rules preventing that? Could the Rangers sue or something?

It'd be a bigger issue between the KHL and NHL. I think that would mean any KHL player is fair game as well if they didn't honor each other's contracts.

 

[Synergy27]

It'd be a bigger issue between the KHL and NHL. I think that would mean any KHL player is fair game as well if they didn't honor each other's contracts.

Yeah, so I assume they do honor each other’s contracts? Signing there is not an option for him?

 

[Peltz]

Sometimes decisions should be made for the future and not for winning the next game.

Rangers were doing that by sending him down to the AHL though...

 

[gravey9]

Yeah, so I assume they do honor each other’s contracts? Signing there is not an option for him?

As far as I know, it's not until VK's contract ends this offseason, but the Rangers, as long as they qualify him, keep his NHL rights. That said, because he is currently suspended, the Rangers can toll his contract, which means the contract essentially slides. If it slides, then VK won't be able to sign in KHL next year either. So, the standoff could really effect VK's future ability to play hockey. If he truly wanted out there might have been a smarter route for that. This route kinda sucks for him.

 

[Peltz]

A decade or so ago.

And you seem to be missing the point. Everyone acknowledges that the way all those examples did it, is the right way to do it.

The problem you and your ideological compatriots aren’t fully comprehending is that there is a time when making an exception for a player is ok and doesn’t cause organizational chaos and breakdown. Especially when an exception protects a valuable team asset, ie, his trade value.

Boo f***ing hoo if career bottom sixer Sammy Blais has to play on the fourth line instead of the third.

Developing Kravtsov or in the alternative getting good value for him in trade is more important to the long term success of the team than whatever minscule “message,” is sent by playing Blais on the third line cause he “earned it.” Can’t that message be sent by showing Kravtsov how Kreider earned a top 6 job? No? I call bullshit.

Krav is not even in game shape dude. He didn't play all summer. He's not well conditioned.

As of camp, he wasn't a valuable asset. This isn't a proven player. He got demoted in Russia when he went back there. He had an okay preseason and scored a one-timer in one preseason game. That's it. That's the thing you're saying they should reconfigure the bottom 6 of the team for.

It makes no sense. He's got a few stick handling moments and a nice shot. That's not a complete player. Not even close.

Someone compared him to Kreider, but Kreider at least has a unique element to his game. What does Krav bring to the table that isn't better served with other options the Rangers have? Not really anything.

Blais is a better and more complete player right now. He brings diversity to the team with his play style - something they were sorely lacking last year with all of the East/West style finesse plays.

Krav is just another finesse guy and an unproven one at that. You don't win games in the current NHL with a roster full players like Krav, as we learned last year.

I like the kid's game but I also didn't think there was room for him yet and I wanted to see him play more minutes in the AHL rather than be limited on a 4th line role. The fact that he can't handle that isn't the team's fault. Their job isn't to coddle.

Their only mistake was not dealing him sooner rather than not giving him a spot.

 

[bleedblue94]

He can't sign in the KHL until his ELC expires and he becomes an RFA at the end of the year. And if the Rangers didn't trade him and he refused to report all year you could also see a scenario where the Rangers try to toll his contract and then he wouldn't even be able to sign after the season, either.

I don't believe that to accurate. I believe from what I understand he's got a clause in his contract that says that if he's not on an NHL roster he has an opt out to go back to Europe to go play in Europe. That's what I'm alluding to. If there's something that restricts him from playing in the KHL I don't know of that, other than the transfer agreement, but he has the opt out clause in his ELC that allows him to go over if he's cut from the NHL roster. I believe Vince's article even mentioned it. It's the same mechanism that worked the last time he left North American went over and played in a KHL.

 

[Levitate]

I have 4 millenial children
I might know what im talking about

Probably not.

Every "generation" thinks the next one is a bunch of entitled whiny shits who want everything handed to them. People thought the same about the baby boomers too. Gen X, etc. Go back to like ancient greece and find philosophers bitching about "those damn kids".

and even if it's true about millenials and younger generations, well then maybe their boomer parents should have raised them better

I don't believe that to accurate. I believe from what I understand he's got a clause in his contract that says that if he's not on an NHL roster he has an opt out to go back to Europe to go play in Europe. That's what I'm alluding to. If there's something that restricts him from playing in the KHL I don't know of that, other than the transfer agreement, but he has the opt out clause in his ELC that allows him to go over if he's cut from the NHL roster. I believe Vince's article even mentioned it. It's the same mechanism that worked the last time he left North American went over and played in a KHL.

That clause was only for the first year of his ELC

 

[NickyFotiu]

It was earned though....thats the problem, they were dicking around with him again.

How was it earned? I'm asking honestly. I have not read any of the local media saying that some sort of injustice happened when he was sent down. Are you talking last season? Or in the KHL?

 

[2014nyr]

he was handed a spot. he couldn't even hold it through training camp. i was as high on him as anyone. he's now picked up his ball and gone home for a second time because he got news he didn't like. the amount of entitlement thinking he can dictate his role to an nhl team or else is unreal. once i could chalk up to immaturity...twice is a delusional basket case. did he ever hear the word no as a child? if he's as good as he thinks he is he shoulda shut his mouth and taken a top 6 spot.

more importantly...what can we get for him. i'd guess our best option is taking a look around the league for other teams with a talented basket case and see if the change of scenery works for either. that or a package deal? do think drury's gonna want to save some face on this...so not taking like a 2nd rounder for him or whatever his value has dropped to. other option is lumping him into package of some form where total return on him is a bit obscured. genuinely very curious about the return on him

 

[bleedblue94]

Probably not.

Every "generation" thinks the next one is a bunch of entitled whiny shits who want everything handed to them. People thought the same about the baby boomers too. Gen X, etc. Go back to like ancient greece and find philosophers bitching about "those damn kids".

and even if it's true about millenials and younger generations, well then maybe their boomer parents should have raised them better




That clause was only for the first year of his ELC

I wasn't aware of that. I stand corrected if true

 

[NickyFotiu]

If a player (any player) is not willing to work to earn their spot I do wonder if that player is willing to work hard enough to become a top player. It takes a lot of work to become a top NHL player. Talent alone will not get it done usually. Over the years we have seen some very talented guys go from team to team and then out of the NHL. We have also seen talented guys drafted but never consistently producing due to lack of consistent effort. I hope Krav shows that he is a great talent and a hard working player.

 

[mas0764]

This is video game hockey. You want a team to implode on itself? Go right ahead with your plan of having different rules for players based not on what they do but on things like draft ranking or perceived future value. Players accept a bit of that (and always have--for guys in the top 2 or 3 of a draft class). For a 9th overall pick? You want a Sammy Blais to sacrifice his body and likely shorten his career by protecting guys like Kravtsov from guys like Wilson? You best not suggest in that locker room that Blais is a worthless bottom sixer who shouldn't get what he's earned because a spoiled crybaby needs coddled. And if that's the way things are going generationally, then sports are well on the way to being dead. Fortunately, I think that you are incorrect in this, and that the fact that the VAST majority of the league still does it the "right way" and guys like Kravtsov are aberrations is the proof of that.

I could care less about what Blais feels he’s earned, by your own silly rules if the coach tells him to play on the fourth line he damn well better play on the fourth line or else.

Right? Shut up and follow orders? Blais has earned what the coach has told him he’s earned and all that? Or are the rules just for Kravtsov to follow?

The fact that you concede that players “accept,” a double standard for a second overall pick pretty much ends the entire conversation. Yes, they should do it for a 9th overall pick too. Same order of magnitude more important that Kravtsov pan out than we appease Blais’s feelings.

 

[mas0764]

Rangers were doing that by sending him down to the AHL though...

So then why is it such a foreign concept for them to make an exception if it’s forward-thinking?

 

[smoneil]

Probably not.

Every "generation" thinks the next one is a bunch of entitled whiny shits who want everything handed to them. People thought the same about the baby boomers too. Gen X, etc. Go back to like ancient greece and find philosophers bitching about "those damn kids".

and even if it's true about millenials and younger generations, well then maybe their boomer parents should have raised them better

It's true, you know. Posted by a medieval historian friend:

 

[EdJovanovski]

Krav is not even in game shape dude. He didn't play all summer. He's not well conditioned.

As of camp, he wasn't a valuable asset. This isn't a proven player. He got demoted in Russia when he went back there. He had an okay preseason and scored a one-timer in one preseason game. That's it. That's the thing you're saying they should reconfigure the bottom 6 of the team for.

It makes no sense. He's got a few stick handling moments and a nice shot. That's not a complete player. Not even close.

Someone compared him to Kreider, but Kreider at least has a unique element to his game. What does Krav bring to the table that isn't better served with other options the Rangers have? Not really anything.

Blais is a better and more complete player right now. He brings diversity to the team with his play style - something they were sorely lacking last year with all of the East/West style finesse plays.

Krav is just another finesse guy and an unproven one at that. You don't win games in the current NHL with a roster full players like Krav, as we learned last year.

I like the kid's game but I also didn't think there was room for him yet and I wanted to see him play more minutes in the AHL rather than be limited on a 4th line role. The fact that he can't handle that isn't the team's fault. Their job isn't to coddle.

Their only mistake was not dealing him sooner rather than not giving him a spot.

1) He meant he didn’t play in a game situation in summer so that it’s an adjustment to get in the swing of things, most players don’t play in games in the summer except like K’Andre Miller and some guys playing in a beer league type tournament. He was skating in the summer, you can literally find photos and video of this. And he worked out in the gym daily all summer, even getting up at 6AM to do so while on vacation in the Dominican. I’m pretty sure the conditioning they meant was to condition his lower body after the injury. If you watch him play he is the first man deep on every forecheck and first man back on every backcheck, yet he doesn’t ever look gassed at all. A lot more than you could say for Kakko or Lafreniere who are both out of breath every time they come to the bench.

2) He didn’t get demoted in Russia, they allowed him to play a few games in the VHL when there was a break in the KHL schedule. He won KHL rookie of the year, is the youngest player in KHL history to score a playoff goal, has the most playoff points of all time for any U-21 KHL player, made the KHL All-Star Team, and led his team in goals while missing like 20% of the season last year.

3) He scored a goal, more than you can say for the scrub Gauthier who made it over him. He’s a one dimensional goal scorer who doesn’t score goals lol.