Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[chosen]

Not defending Kravstov but this is now two top 10 picks in recent t years the Rangers have dealt with this so they deserve a lot of blame too

Anderson and Kravtsov are very different.

Rangers made a mistake in their evaluation of Anderson. He's not good enough.

Kravtsov appears to be good enough, but no one knew Kravtsov would be a baby who would stamp his feet if he wasn't handed a lineup spot despite not being in peak condition. Until he stops being an ahole, his career is doomed.

 

[bbny]

Kravtsov should apologize, come back, and report to Hartford. The trade request can remain open if he wants, but I think the organization and the fans would rally behind him if he rescinds it, puts his head down, and just lights up the AHL. But he cannot let this drag out. Not good for his career.

 

[haohmaru]

I stand corrected. So used to others talking about a top six role. But I stand by my closing remarks,....

Thanks for that. Seriously, most people on here won't acknowledge a mistake. Kudos.

Hunt and Gauthier beating out Kravtsov for a spot,... only tells me,,... that besides the new head coach not knowing how to pick a starting goalie to open the season, he can't pick a starting roster either. Pathetic.

I mean, I get it, but there's a lot more to it than is Kravtsov better than ____ and ____? Is he going to play? What kind of minutes will he get? Is he better off gaining confidence and playing 18 minutes a night vs. 9 minutes? Was conditioning really an issue? What do you want from your third line? On and on. Kravtsov, IMHO, is built for a top six role and, possibly, top 9 on the right team. Just not on this team. Not yet.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I think this is probably a bit too simplistic of a synopsis of what happened.

How complicated does it have to be? Teams want their first round picks to succeed. Coaches want the guys that will give them the best chance to win. They felt like the team was better off with Krav going down to play more and sharpen his game. Krav refused.

 

[JohnC]

Kravtsov should apologize, come back, and report to Hartford. The trade request can remain open if he wants, but I think the organization and the fans would rally behind him if he rescinds it, puts his head down, and just lights up the AHL. But he cannot let this drag out. Not good for his career.

He won’t light up the AHL. At what point in his young career has he proven to be able to light anything up?

 

[EdJovanovski]

He won’t light up the AHL. At what point in his young career has he proven to be able to light anything up?

You just flat out have some sort of beef with the guy, he was drafted top 10 for a reason and literally holds multiple all time KHL records and led his team in goals even while missing time last season. He has lit it up before. He also looked really good in his 20 game stint at the end of the season here. I don’t know why you’re so negative about him

 

[Chaels Arms]

Kravtsov should apologize, come back, and report to Hartford. The trade request can remain open if he wants, but I think the organization and the fans would rally behind him if he rescinds it, puts his head down, and just lights up the AHL. But he cannot let this drag out. Not good for his career.

With the way some of the forwards on this team look he probably would already be back on the Rangers if not for this dispute.

 

[chosen]

With the way some of the forwards on this team look he probably would already be back on the Rangers if not for this dispute.

Which only makes him look like more of an idiot.

 

[jay from jersey]

Not defending Kravstov but this is now two top 10 picks in recent t years the Rangers have dealt with this so they deserve a lot of blame too

It says to me our scouting department has a real problem identifying character traits of European talent.
We got lucky with chytil, but he’s also been on the team since he’s 18 years old. So there was really no cause for him to be up in arms. But you can tell by his interviews last season, he wants more ice time.
And don’t think for a second that if Lundkvist was sent to the AHL in favor of Jones with it not looking good that he’d be up with the Rangers big club soon that it wouldn’t be a problem.
It’s partly on our scouting for sure, but these guy that do well in the SHL and in Russia don’t want to come here, leave their homelands, and want to play in the AHL for a long period of time without any assurances/promises. It’s almost like you have to tell them a white lie or two.. Especially kids that are taken in the 1st rd that think they are better then they really are at that current time.
Other kids don’t realize the adjustment period it takes with the smaller ice and bigger faster players in the NHL. They also see kids/their peers, guys drafted around and behind them, playing in the league already. They of course feel like they are better or equal to those players at least, and they should also have NHL spots.
I forget who posted it earlier in this thread, but they said kids today want it fast and want it now. He is absolutely correct. Today kids have all kinds of agents/trainers/media pissing In their ears pumping their tires and it makes them think the are better or more ready then they truly are at that point. When they are told differently, they take it personal and react badly. Of course they want to be the kid signing the big contract or playing with established NHL players, because their tires are being constantly pumped and they are told of course your good enough, the reason must be the GM, or the Coach or any other various excuse.
I for one wouldn’t be surprised if our next 1st rd picks are all from North America until the Euro scouting of the high end prospects is tweaked or replaced.
One thing is for sure, this organization can’t keep drafting Euro players with high picks and have a repeat of Andersson/Kravtsov.
Something has to change, whether it’s new people, leaving the kids over there longer until they are more mature, whatever. Because currently, the recipe is not good. We are very lucky we had 3 pretty strong drafts in a row, because if the pipeline was dry and this happened it would be really tough to come back from.
It’s why I laugh when I see the Utopian fantasy's
Of a projected D of
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Lundkvist
Jones/ Robertson-Schneider

there’s not a chance in hell any of them are going to sit in Hartford for 2-3 years waiting until we maybe move Trouba. Whoever doesn’t make the top 6, I can guarantee the other 2 will likely ask out soon after.
Schneider is going to make his debut next season on 3rd pair. That’s of little doubt at this point. He’s the only one besides fox that I can safely say isn’t going anywhere. Physically/skill/size wise. Him and fox are the hardest 2 types to replace on the back end.

 

[bbny]

He won’t light up the AHL. At what point in his young career has he proven to be able to light anything up?

Not a slam dunk that Kravtsov would, but even Lias Andersson lit up the AHL last year. Kravtsov's pinky toe has more skill than he does.

 

[ThirdEye]

You just flat out have some sort of beef with the guy, he was drafted top 10 for a reason and literally holds multiple all time KHL records and led his team in goals even while missing time last season. He has lit it up before. He also looked really good in his 20 game stint at the end of the season here. I don’t know why you’re so negative about him

We must have different definitions for "lighting it up". To me that's at minimum a PPG in the AHL or 2/3 PPG in the KHL. His stats thus far are:

KHL (including postseason):

GP: 179 G: 39 A: 31 P: 66 PPG: .37

AHL:

GP: 39 G: 6 A: 9 P:15 PPG: .38

NHL:

GP: 20 G: 2 A: 2 P:4 PPG: .20

Are you seeing a trend here? Even if you exclude his first real KHL season he's still well under .5 PPG

I'm not saying the dude doesn't have upside, but these are hardly numbers that make my eyes light up and get all giddy. By comparison, Buch was at .5 PPG and destroyed the AHL in his short stint there. Both didn't play on the greatest KHL teams, but Buch was more instrumental to his teams success from what I recall.

 

[ThirdEye]

Like many others have already said, the guy has been a massive tease his entire career. Just when you think he's going to take off he kind of just flatlines and stays there.

 

[Savant]

Kravtsov is the only Russian who hates the AHL.

This is not the same situation

 

[EdJovanovski]

We must have different definitions for "lighting it up". To me that's at minimum a PPG in the AHL or 2/3 PPG in the KHL. His stats thus far are:

KHL (including postseason):

GP: 179 G: 39 A: 31 P: 66 PPG: .37

AHL:

GP: 39 G: 6 A: 9 P:15 PPG: .38

NHL:

GP: 20 G: 2 A: 2 P:4 PPG: .20

Are you seeing a trend here? Even if you exclude his first real KHL season he's still well under .5 PPG

I'm not saying the dude doesn't have upside, but these are hardly numbers that make my eyes light up and get all giddy. By comparison, Buch was at .5 PPG and destroyed the AHL in his short stint there. Both didn't play on the greatest KHL teams, but Buch was more instrumental to his teams success from what I recall.

These are fake statistics, I like how you use Buch as a comparison because you know how much I love him so I’m like that meme of the guy sweating having to choose which button to push I will put together a well thought out breakdown on the potential of Vitali Kravtsov. With charts and everything, the guy is literally the BEST prospect in the history of the game. I will prove it. Kravtsov is someone who studied the greats, he is a true admirer of the sport and appreciates what I call the “aesthetics of hockey” which many players do not. This is what sets him apart

 

[ThirdEye]

These are fake statistics, I like how you use Buch as a comparison because you know how much I love him so I’m like that meme of the guy sweating having to choose which button to push I will put together a well thought out breakdown on the potential of Vitali Kravtsov. With charts and everything, the guy is literally the BEST prospect in the history of the game. I will prove it. Kravtsov is someone who studied the greats, he is a true admirer of the sport and appreciates what I call the “aesthetics of hockey” which many players do not. This is what sets him apart

I mean, if you mentioned all of these other things before we would have been on the same wavelength

 

[gravey9]

Either the sides make amends and VK comes back to A, they loan him back to Russia. Or he has no NHL career this year at least.

The reason Dru told his agent he could look for trade options is because he is sending the message that we're not going to shop you. We're not spending time fulfilling your request. Which means, VK's agent either comes back with one hell of a trade and Dru accepts.

Or more likely, VK just sulks for a long time but has nowhere to play. That is no good for his value but more importantly his game. A young player needs to play.

When Lias did this, first thing he did was go back to Sweden. He also had a foot injury to recover from I believe. Then when he was ready to play again, Rangers granted him permission to play with an SHL team. Here, I'm not sure where VK is. Is he still in the states? Did he go back to Russia? He doesn't really have an injury to recover from?

I can't tell if Drury is going to loan VK to a KHL club. I don't get the sense that the appetite to do so is any time soon. I think Drury still thinks VK might come back. As long as VK stays in states, Drury is going to likely not trade him or loan him. If VK goes back to Russia I suppose a loan becomes more likely. It would also mean the timing of any trade would shift to much later in the season or offseason.

If I'm Drury, I give VK another week or two to get some distance from the situation. Call his agent and say, what can we do to have him come back? He'll need a bunch of games in the A to get back into shape and we'll take it from there.

EDIT: Another option: VK is eventually loaned to another European league that has a transfer agreement.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I mean, if you mentioned all of these other things before we would have been on the same wavelength

I will bring up indisputable statistics and breakdowns of his play. I will compile a document that I probably shouldn’t even post publicly, because if other front offices get wind of it Kravtsov is gone tomorrow. Kravtsov studies the game (he actually did college courses on sports management and coaching also) when he’s out there he isn’t simply a player. He is crafting a performance, he takes cues from Elizabethan theatre but with a veneer of the early wave of modernist playwrites,like if you’ve ever dived into Anton Chekhov’s early works some of Kravtsov’s plays will start making a little more sense. People won’t get Kravtsov today and that’s fine but in a few hundred years his game tape will be in museums. Kravtsov is bigger than hockey…

 

[Synergy27]

Any word on where he is and what he’s up to? Is he just chilling in a hotel somewhere in Manhattan? Not skating? Working out?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Any word on where he is and what he’s up to? Is he just chilling in a hotel somewhere in Manhattan? Not skating? Working out?

He has an apartment in Manhattan, he bought it (not rent) so that’s part of why he’s so disappointed. He goes to the gym there daily, he also has a peloton and weights in his room. He is working constantly, also studying early works of theatre (that’s the guiding philosophy of his game)

 

[JohnC]

Not a slam dunk that Kravtsov would, but even Lias Andersson lit up the AHL last year. Kravtsov's pinky toe has more skill than he does.

The skill gap is pretty undeniable, but there’s an argument to be made that Lias Andersson has been better to date than Kravstov. I’ll defer to those who were able to watch them more than I to make it.

Arguably better in the SHL than Krav was in the KHL and definitely better in the AHL than Krav was. Jury’s out on the NHL.

 

[Chytilmania]

He has an apartment in Manhattan, he bought it (not rent) so that’s part of why he’s so disappointed. He goes to the gym there daily, he also has a peloton and weights in his room. He is working constantly, also studying early works of theatre (that’s the guiding philosophy of his game)

Must be reading La Divina Commedia

 

[gravey9]

Must be reading La Divina Commedia

I heard that the real reason Kravtsov refused assignment is that HFD's schedule conflicted with his Lincoln Center subscription.

 

[bobbop]

I’ll trade Kravtsov right now to Vegas for Brendan Brisson. Vegas needs scoring on the wings right now. Vegas down Pacioretty and Stone right now.

 

[fm]

He has an apartment in Manhattan, he bought it (not rent) so that’s part of why he’s so disappointed. He goes to the gym there daily, he also has a peloton and weights in his room. He is working constantly, also studying early works of theatre (that’s the guiding philosophy of his game)

Lmfao

 

[Miamipuck]

Lmfao

He's big time trolling this forum and a lot of people bought it.