Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[ohbaby]

Blais played in the middle six for Cup winning St. Louis. Goodrow was a staple on the best third line in hockey for the best team in the league for the last two years (years where his team won back to back Cups). Do tell me more about how those guys are "fourth liners." Frankly, the ONLY fourth liner I listed was Reeves (Gaut will either be a middle-six guy or not in the league in a couple years, and Pajuniemi doesn't play a fourth line game either). We have depth at RW, but are lacking top six options. Which is exactly what I said before you got your knickers in a twist over it.



Let me be a bit more clear--the Rangers did nothing wrong TO Kravtsov. They should have moved him earlier if they had indications that his delicate princess routine was going to be a regular aspect of his character, but they didn't do anything at all to Kravtsov except expecting him to earn his spot like every other player in the league in his position.



I think that Zac Jones, Braden Schneider, and Tyler Wall are all better players than Rooney, Hunt, and Reeves. Should we make that swap as well? Sure, that will leave us with three goalies, 10 defensemen, and not enough forwards to ice four lines, but what the hell, we want the "best" 23 players regardless of bullshit considerations like "roles" or anything like that, right? This has been addressed. Ad nauseum. You are whining about players who WERE. NOT. COMPETING. WITH. KRAVTSOV. Get it through your damn head. They weren't his competition. Gallant said from day 1 that he didn't want skill prospects on the 4th line and I don't think he even needed to say that he doesn't want high end forward prospects on the goddamn blue line. The only player you mention here who WAS in competition with Kravtsov is Gauthier, who helped create goals all pre-season by drawing penalties. By the end of pre-season, Gaut and Krav were neck and neck, but Blais out-performed both of them. So I'll ask you again, who would you rather be in the "lives in the press box for weeks at a time" 13th forward roster spot, Gaut or Krav? Krav got sent down because they value him more highly long-term than Gauthier. Anyone can see that, but Krav and his fanboys are intent on looking at it as an insult.



There were a ton of questions. He had a nice goal in the LAST preseason game. Good for him. Blais had two nice goals, an assist, PK'ed, chipped in on the power play, and threw 8-ish hits per game. Could Krav have done more if he hadn't gotten injured? Maybe. But he DID get injured and didn't show as much in his time on the ice as Blais. And this is all coming from someone who really didn't want to like Blais coming into the season. And the kicker is that, on some level, I think you already know that the cut was the right move based on camp. I notice you left Blais out of your list of guys you think should have been cut before Kravtsov. Odd that you left off the only one who won a regular position and just so happened to out-score Krav while also bringing several other elements, no?

The only way to argue that Kravtsov should have been handed a position in the starting lineup (ie: not as a 13th forward, spare defenseman, backup goalie or whatever other nonsense you've been tossing about) is to admit that you think he should have been given something over another player who, either in pre-season or through their career to date, had earned it over him. And that brings up another "funny" thing. I notice that you only quoted almost all of my post. You seem to have misplaced part of it. I found it for you. Let's see if you can give an honest answer:

"Here's a question for you: Gallant came in preaching accountability, effort, and team play. He came in practically screaming about his philosophy that players need to fit the role they are in. If he gave that 3rd line spot to Kravtsov--despite Krav's reported bad attitude and effort level, and despite the fact that at least one player (Blais) beat him and another player (Gauthier) at least tied him for the "role" of 3rd line RW (which has different expectations from the role of a top 6 RW), wouldn't that have made Gallant JUST as much of an "outright liar"?

Apologies for any offense re: salty language. In a bad mood. I subscribed to ESPN+ solely to watch Rangers games. I figured I would have no problems, as I live in Arkansas, which doesn't have any pro teams. Apparently, I'm in the Dallas blackout zone, so I had to miss the home opener and pay for the privilege.

Let's agree to disagree cause this argument is going nowhere. You are replying with more and more ridiculous hypothetical examples. like,...

I think that Zac Jones, Braden Schneider, and Tyler Wall are all better players than Rooney, Hunt, and Reeves. Should we make that swap as well? Sure, that will leave us with three goalies, 10 defensemen, and not enough forwards to ice four lines, but what the hell, we want the "best" 23

The four spots I mentioned, Hunt, Gauthier, Tinordi and Hajek,... could have easily been swapped out for a spot for Kravy. But you come back with this ridiculous nonsensical reply above.

And there is absolutely no reason Blais and Kravy couldn't both make the starting lineup. Just like they played all preseason with Kravy on Chytil's right side and Blais with Rooney. You trying to make them in competition for the same spot is convoluted and beneath your intelligence to bolster your argument. Your reaching for silly reasons that don't exist or make sense. There was room on the roster for Kravy, that is clear. They just didn't want to chance the waiver wire.

Sorry you have problems catching the games.

 

[jay from jersey]

Problems in the KHL yea man leading your team in goals at age 20 and being the all time leader in playoff points among U-21 players in KHL history. 4 points when he’s on the 4th line with Howden & Rooney, has 2 phantom assists taken away, that beautiful first NHL goal he created off his aggressive forecheck taken away on an offside challenge, got absolutely robbed of scoring the GWG with seconds left in his first NHL game. First man in on every forecheck and first man back on every backcheck, 95% of the time before the Center and 75% of the time even before the 2nd dman. He was excellent and everyone said that if you go back and read the GDT’s. People are rewriting history because Chris Drury, the biggest dimwit in hockey, can do no wrong in their eyes.

when he returned to Russia didn’t he play like crap and they demoted him to their Affilate or wanted to?? That’s when he eventually came back?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Any updates, when is Kupari getting here?

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Bad Management.

His reps should have told him take the assignment

He fired his agent the new guy is desperate to make an impression I’m sure

 

[ohbaby]

Your math is as bad as your reading comprehension.

"he needed to be one of the top 6 best wingers"

Gee, that would imply that he could've played on the 3rd line. Hrm.

He wasn't good enough in camp and doesn't have an NHL resume to rely on. He should've sucked it up, played in the AHL, and waited for an opportunity that would surely come.

I stand corrected. So used to others talking about a top six role. But I stand by my closing remarks,....

Hunt and Gauthier beating out Kravtsov for a spot,... only tells me,,... that besides the new head coach not knowing how to pick a starting goalie to open the season, he can't pick a starting roster either. Pathetic.

 

[smoneil]

Let's agree to disagree cause this argument is going nowhere. You are replying with more and more ridiculous hypothetical examples. like,...

The four spots I mentioned, Hunt, Gauthier, Tinordi and Hajek,... could have easily been swapped out for a spot for Kravy. But you come back with this ridiculous nonsense reply above.

The response you quoted was satirical and hyperbolic, meant to mock the absurdity of the claims that you were, and continue to make. You literally JUST did it again in the quoted material above. Hunt is a 4th liner. Gauthier, Tinordi, and Hajek are spares who are not going to be regulars. Kravtsov is not a fourth liner. As a 21 year old with high upside, he needs time on the ice, not time in the press box. Ergo, those four players have f*** all to do with Kravtsov getting sent down. Your inability to grasp that very basic concept is mind-boggling. They sent him down because they see a future for him in a larger role. If they didn't, they would have let him sit and stagnate.

And there is absolutely no reason Blais and Kravy couldn't both make the starting lineup. Just like they played all preseason with Kravy on Chytil right side and Blais with Rooney. You trying to make them in competition for the same spot is convoluted and beneath your intelligence to bolster your argument. Your reaching for silly reasons that don't exist or make sense. There was room on the roster for Kravy, that is clear. They just didn't want to chance the waiver wire.

It wasn't "all pre-season." It was actually less than half of the pre-season. Blais played on the Chytil line when Krav got hurt. He played better in that spot than Kravtsov did. At that point, that 3rd line wing was the only open spot in the top 9. Why should Blais get demoted to the fourth line after winning the spot on the 3rd line? If Krav wants to play in the top 3 lines, he needs to beat the players who are in those spots. He didn't. Blais tripled Krav's pre-season production while also bringing physical play (ie: a 3rd line role). Explain to me your logic of how Krav should be handed a spot that someone else clearly earned.

Sorry you have problems catching the games.

I'm hoping it's just when they play Dallas, but I was all excited, made a rare splurge on take-out for dinner, and got super pissed when it said the game was blacked out (I'm literally three states away from Dallas).

 

[mas0764]

It could have been real good but he didn't want that. I think at the end of the day, a lot of this one is on the player.

How do we know he didn’t want that? Sounds like he mostly wanted to be with the big club. I guess I would also wager he wanted to play a skill role and not a checking role, maybe he couldn’t do that on the third line? That’s been my hypothesis.

 

[RGY]

I stand corrected. So used to others talking about a top six role. But I stand by my closing remarks,....

Hunt and Gauthier beating out Kravtsov for a spot,... only tells me,,... that besides the new head coach not knowing how to pick a starting goalie to open the season, he can't pick a starting roster either. Pathetic.

This post is pathetic.

 

[mas0764]

The Rangers want every player that can play at a high level. That goes for guys on their team and others. Nobody in the org said we do not like this guy get rid of him. They simply said he did not make the team out of camp. Go down to the AHL to work on your game. It does not mean they do not want him. McD, Zooks, Hags, JT Miller, Shesty, Brady, Kreider, etc all had skill and still spent some time in the AHL.

I think this is probably a bit too simplistic of a synopsis of what happened.

 

[rangers1314]

Either a C prospect NHL ready/near NHL ready or a team willing to fork over a 1

offers for a 2nd will be there at the draft. No sense in taking that now.

Would Detroit be willing to talk Velano?

 

[ohbaby]

The response you quoted was satirical and hyperbolic,

It wasn't "all pre-season." It was actually less than half of the pre-season. Blais played on the Chytil line when Krav got hurt.

I'm being hyperbolic? After what you said in reply to me about picking the 23 best!...

I think that Zac Jones, Braden Schneider, and Tyler Wall are all better players than Rooney, Hunt, and Reeves. Should we make that swap as well? Sure, that will leave us with three goalies, 10 defensemen, and not enough forwards to ice four lines, but what the hell, we want the "best" 23

Talk about calling the kettle black.

And when Kravy came back from injury, what line did he play on? He went right back to playing with Chytil in the last preseason game. He, Chytil, and Fox were on the ice to start OT and he didn't make the team. You must be kidding me. Nuff said. You can harp all you like on the Blais/Kravy competition, but it only exists in your mind. They were not in competition.

I sent you a PM

 

[Colonel Bat Guano]

This is just me but Drury needs to send a message to Kravy and his reps.. ..Fine sit out throw a tantrum but we won`t trade you until YOU increase your value...there is a ton of team control here until UFA ....piss and moan all you want if you want out great! .... make yourself an asset until then STFU and do your damn job and act like a professional... not a beer league player that is pissed he was picked last...

 

[bernmeister]

Any ideas for a new nickname and avatar? It's been due for quite some time. Callahan hasn't played for us in years and Torts was fired ages ago.

I'm swedish, 30 years old, I like rap, I like to smoke weed, I love the Rangers, Jagr is my all time favorite player. I dunno what more you need to help me out lol.

Are you sure you wanna change that avatar?
Somehow, it's so .... you

 

[bernmeister]

The issue here is rangers best served by dialing the K drama down, creating a roster spot, getting K here, and upping his value

that's the ticket
anything else is likely to cost us value

 

[ohbaby]

This is just me but Drury needs to send a message to Kravy and his reps.. ..Fine sit out throw a tantrum but we won`t trade you until YOU increase your value...there is a ton of team control here until UFA ....piss and moan all you want if you want out great! .... make yourself an asset until then STFU and do your damn job and act like a professional... not a beer league player that is pissed he was picked last...

That might work! Kravtsov has no options. Rangers hold all the cards. I'm sorry it has gone this far, but this just might work in getting him back.

 

[smoneil]

I'm being hyperbolic? After what you said in reply to me about picking the 23 best!...

Talk about calling the kettle black.

You are very very frustrating, as you react without reading carefully and are so damned sure that your narrative is the only correct one that you don't even see information when SEVERAL people have clearly laid it out for you. The above is one example. You said I was being ridiculous for my comment about Jones, Barron, and Wall. I said, and I quote "The response you quoted was satirical and hyperbolic"--Again, the response YOU QUOTED. In other words, my post was written to be hyperbolic (using hyperbole, extreme exaggeration to make a point). Instead of reading what was written, you took something I said about myself and turned it into an insult against you. Are you by chance Kravtsov himself? Because the communication problems are eerily similar.

And when Kravy came back from injury, what line did he play on? He went right back to playing with Chytil in the last preseason game. He, Chytil, and Fox were on the ice to start OT and he didn't make the team. You must be kidding me. Nuff said. You can harp all you like on the Blais/Kravy competition, but it only exists in your mind. They were not in competition.

The lines changed a lot in that game. Krav's goal came on the PP with Strome and Hunt. Chytil was on a PP with Fox, Kakko, and Laf. Chytil had an ES goal assisted by Hunt. It was the last pre-season game, and they were trying to figure out the last cuts, not worrying about getting the final line combos out there. By that point, I'm fairly certain that Blais had already won the starting spot on that 3rd line, and they were mainly trying to get Krav back into the swing of things. I don't know how you can watch the four pre-season games and think that Kravtsov earned that spot over Blais. Blais did everything else better for a 3rd line role. The benefit to having a player like Kravtsov on that line is the threat of more offense...but Blais scored 3x as many points during preseason AND brings physicality, about 100 more games of NHL experience, and Stanley Cup pedigree to the equation. The bottom line is that I agree with you that, with his talent, Kravtsov should be able to make the starting line-up. But he didn't do what he needed to do to actually make the starting lineup. That's the whole issue with him as a player. We need the player he CAN become in the top six. Desperately. But he's never going to become that player until he stops telling himself that he's already there and has nothing left to prove.

I notice you still never answered the question I posed twice. If the team gave that 3RW spot to Krav over Blais despite Blais clearly being the better player for that role during preseason, wouldn't that have made Gallant a liar?

I sent you a PM

Many thanks.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Yeah he needs to play to increase his trade value, I want one of L.A’s center prospects. Turcotte or Madden + 2nd

 

[Kocur Dill]

I fully get that people with inside scoops can't spill all the beans, but at the same time, I worry that vague posts like this won't do anything more than fuel the conspiracy theorists (who have convinced themselves that Drury has insulted Krav's mother, kicked his puppy, and sent him down to Hartford so he could put the moves on his sister, haha).

Be a lot cooler if he did.

 

[smoneil]

Be a lot cooler if he did.

Do we even know if Kravtsov HAS a sister? That might be the problem. Drury grumping around and mumbling things like "Stepan had a sister. Stromer's mom is like a sister. What's your deal? Hrumph."

 

[Rangerboy030]

Logically and historically your answer is correct. Kreider does however have 5 years, mostly trade protected, on his contract remaining. And Kravtsov has one.

And let me tell you one thing that I can totally agree upon that for my generational mind frame is extremely annoying and frustrating - that the younger generation (especially those that think they “got it”) is in general inherently impatient and short sighted. They want it all and they want it right now. This is not an exception any more and will put huge dents in society everywhere moving forward, not just on a professional sports team.

 

[eco's bones]

The likelihood unless there’s a deal right away is that Kravtsov is not going to bring back a 1st in the coming draft. He might bring back an already drafted 1st who is struggling somewhere else. That’s his value. He won’t bring back a JT Miller who is a for real and productive NHL player. Kravtsov won’t bring back a 1st at the trade deadline either. 1st’s that get traded then get traded are for established players for playoff runs. The greater likelihood is Kravtsov’s not going to be playing in North America this year. He’s not established and he probably won’t be available for any playoffs.

So I suspect that like Lias Andersson in 2020 he’ll get moved at the 2022 draft……and as a somewhat reputation damaged and unproven player his value will turn out to be a 2nd round pick—maybe a little higher 2nd than Lias. This draft is strong. I very much doubt that any team is going to give up a 1st for someone with his baggage.

 

[ohbaby]

Many thanks.

I notice you still never answered the question I posed twice. If the team gave that 3RW spot to Krav over Blais despite Blais clearly being the better player for that role during preseason, wouldn't that have made Gallant a liar?

And many times I told you they were not in competition with one another. So your hypothetical question is nothing but a means to somehow make your argument of head to head competition relevant. And I'm not gonna bite.

my post was written to be hyperbolic

And so I misread one line in your post. Shoot me. Still,... admitting you were being cute after the fact, doesn't excuse its use for something that is very far from absurd. The four players I mentioned, have no real place on this team. Two are D-men bench players, and two will be in and out of the lineup regularly. So how is it you can be so cavalier to make a hyperbolic exaggeration, when in fact this is clearly the reality for all to see,... and a very poor opportunity to be cynical. In fact I can't help but think you meant it as plausible comparison. Cause it fits well with all the other crap you been trying to throw at the wall to see if it sticks.

And just to put a finer point on this,..... Dreger's report said the Rangers want a potential top six player in return for Kravtsov. Is Hunt or Gauthier top six potential? I won't even speak in context to Hajek or Tinordi. Fact of the matter is Kravstov has that potential, and cemented a 3rd line spot on Chytil's right side. You don't start OT with 4th line players,.. even in the preseason. And all because of this business with the wavier wire, we lose a top prospect.

He backchecked his ass off last year. Play smartly without the puck. Made smart decisions when he had the puck. His improvement was night and day. He did nothing this preseason to diminished that. And then showed how he worked on his one-timer this summer. How could he start OT if he wasn't one of the best options we had? It's insane he didn't make the team.

And your welcome.

 

[smoneil]

And many times I told you they were not in competition with one another. So your hypothetical question is nothing but a means to somehow make your argument of head to head competition relevant. And I'm not gonna bite.

...The two guys who got the most time in preseason playing on that 3rd line wing...weren't in competition for that 3rd line wing spot? How does that make ANY sense to you? One of them got sent down to the AHL and the other one started the season on that 3rd line wing spot. Who was Kravtsov competing against if not the guy who also played that role in pre-season and started the regular season playing that role?

And so I misread one line in your post. Shoot me. Still,... admitting you were being cute after the fact, doesn't excuse its use for something that is very far from absurd.

I didn't admit to being cute after the fact. I did it in the post where said "cute" took place, and stated it directly in plain English.

The four players I mentioned, have no real place on this team. Two are D-men bench players, and two will be in and out of the lineup regularly. So how is it you can be so cavalier to make a hyperbolic exaggeration, when in fact this is clearly the reality for all to see,... and a very poor opportunity to be cynical. In fact I can't help but think you meant it as plausible comparison. Cause it fits well with all the other crap you been trying to throw at the wall to see if it sticks.

You just admitted the problem with your logic right here. You mentioned four players: a 4th liner, our two depth defensemen, and our 13th forward. I will ask you some yes or no questions:

1- Do you think Kravtsov is best served by playing on the fourth line (ie: where he'd be if he replaced Hunt)?
2- Do you think Kravtsov is best served by sitting in the press box (ie: where he'd be if he replaced Hajek, Tinordi, or Gauthier)?

I'll go ahead and assume the answer is no. That's the issue. Having Kravtsov "make the team" only to not play or play a role that is completely against his skill set is absurd. He was beat out for the top 9 spots. The only real option if the team actually WANTS him to be a useful player is to send him to Hartford to get a ton of minutes so that when a spot does open up in the right part of the lineup, he'd be ready to seize it and (ideally) not let it go. The four players you mention are irrelevant to Kravtsov because swapping one of them with Krav STILL doesn't put Krav on the ice.

And just to put a finer point on this,..... Dreger's report said the Rangers want a potential top six player in return for Kravtsov. Is Hunt or Gauthier top six potential? I won't even speak in context to Hajek or Tinordi. Fact of the matter is Kravstov has that potential, and cemented a 3rd line spot on Chytil's right side. You don't start OT with 4th line players,.. even in the preseason. And all because of this business with the wavier wire, we lose a top prospect.

You are literally (and terrifyingly enough, seriously) using the exact same logic as my hyperbolic response from before. Yes, he's better than Hunt, Gauthier, Hajek, and Tinordi, but you don't just pick the 23 most talented players. You pick the players based on role. Hajek made the team over Jones because Jones has a future in the NHL and they don't want him to sit in the press box when he could be playing top pair in the AHL. The same applies when evaluating Gauthier and Kravtsov. One of them has a real shot at a long NHL career. You don't want that guy sitting the bench for weeks at a time. And you continue to list everyone EXCEPT for Blais, who is the guy who won the spot that you claim Krav had "cemented."

He backchecked his ass off last year. Play smartly without the puck. Made smart decisions when he had the puck. His improvement was night and day. He did nothing this preseason to diminished that. And then showed how he worked on his one-timer this summer. How could he start OT if he wasn't one of the best options we had? It's insane he didn't make the team.

He scored one goal in pre-season. On the power play, with players he wouldn't be skating with. Like, congrats on starting one shift in overtime, but Blais scored two goals, had an assist, hit everything that moved, and also back-checked. Any objective observer can see that Blais won that job.

 

[Unusual Suspect]

Getting perilously close to 100 pages of this trash. Amazing, except not.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Not defending Kravstov but this is now two top 10 picks in recent t years the Rangers have dealt with this so they deserve a lot of blame too