Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

I’ve never seen a soccer play pick a fight with a rugby/ or football player and come out on the winning end

True enough, but I'm not so much considering the winning as I am the willingness to fight. I think it may be lacking compared to when I was a kid. Not just dropping the gloves, but fighting for the win, the playing time, and through the adversity, which is what made me think of the recent Ranger epic fails. Tony D would literally fight, but the adversity made him snap. Mental toughness is something that may be lacking and if you look at academics, it's certainly a gender thing. It's hitting me like an epiphany. Boys seem to be slipping, and back to the topic at hand, it seems to me that Kratz is acting like a boy.

 

[jay from jersey]

True enough, but I'm not so much considering the winning as I am the willingness to fight. I think it may be lacking compared to when I was a kid. Not just dropping the gloves, but fighting for the win, the playing time, and through the adversity, which is what made me think of the recent Ranger epic fails. Tony D would literally fight, but the adversity made him snap. Mental toughness is something that may be lacking and if you look at academics, it's certainly a gender thing. It's hitting me like an epiphany. Boys seem to be slipping, and back to the topic at hand, it seems to me that Kratz is acting like a boy.

To me, it’s entitlement syndrome. Not saying he doesn’t work hard or have skill, but he doesn’t want the fight/struggle involved in taking that roster spot.
Those are the types that crumble when adversity comes into play.
He thought the AHL was beneath him since his rookie year

 

[smoneil]

To me, it’s entitlement syndrome. Not saying he doesn’t work hard or have skill, but he doesn’t want the fight/struggle involved in taking that roster spot.
Those are the types that crumble when adversity comes into play.
He thought the AHL was beneath him since his rookie year

Yup. That's why the whole "willing to play in the AHL for another team" thing seems like agent-leaked damage control to me. He thought he was too good for Hartford before he ever set foot in Hartford. But...his only stretch in the AHL, he put up less than .5ppg (15 points in 39 games). And in his only stint in the NHL, he put up less than .25ppg (4 points in 20 games).

18 year old Fil Chytil put up 3 points in 9 games (a better rate than 21 year old Krav), and got sent down. The following year, he put up 23 points in 75 games (.31 ppg--better than 21 year old Krav). The season after that, he was sent down again. In his two AHL stints, 18 year old Chytil scored 31 points in 46 games, and 20 year old Chytil was 9 in 9 for a ppg. No whining from him.

Morgan Barron just got sent down. He's a year older than Krav, also had his first cup of coffee with the NHL team last season, putting up the same production rate (1 point in 5 games). Last season, he did something Krav has never come close to approaching--he put up ppg production in the AHL (21 points in 21 games) while also bringing a slew of other attributes. Unlike Krav, Barron has nothing left to prove at the AHL level. No whining from him.

Kravtsov has a world of talent, but...he's proven nothing. This whole thing where he acts like he's being insulted or disrespected? It's pure entitlement.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Strome on the covid list and they call up Greg the leg.

Kravtsov is an idiot, this literally would’ve been him if he went down and took his assignment like an adult.

 

[bl02]

Strome on the covid list and they call up Greg the leg.

Kravtsov is an idiot, this literally would’ve been him if he went down and took his assignment like an adult.

Yep most of us said it. He would have had to play at most two weeks of hockey in hartford goodness forbid. With the injuries/Covid/etc he would have had his chance in no time.

 

[Vitto79]

Strome on the covid list and they call up Greg the leg.

Kravtsov is an idiot, this literally would’ve been him if he went down and took his assignment like an adult.

he is a Moron

 

[RangersFan1994]

Ryan Poehling to NYR for Vitali Kravtsov??

Helps and fixes a need for NYR. Does it do the same for the Habs? Another playmaking center isn’t a bad issue to have especially with the wingers Rangers have,

 

[EdJovanovski]

Yup. That's why the whole "willing to play in the AHL for another team" thing seems like agent-leaked damage control to me. He thought he was too good for Hartford before he ever set foot in Hartford. But...his only stretch in the AHL, he put up less than .5ppg (15 points in 39 games). And in his only stint in the NHL, he put up less than .25ppg (4 points in 20 games).

18 year old Fil Chytil put up 3 points in 9 games (a better rate than 21 year old Krav), and got sent down. The following year, he put up 23 points in 75 games (.31 ppg--better than 21 year old Krav). The season after that, he was sent down again. In his two AHL stints, 18 year old Chytil scored 31 points in 46 games, and 20 year old Chytil was 9 in 9 for a ppg. No whining from him.

Morgan Barron just got sent down. He's a year older than Krav, also had his first cup of coffee with the NHL team last season, putting up the same production rate (1 point in 5 games). Last season, he did something Krav has never come close to approaching--he put up ppg production in the AHL (21 points in 21 games) while also bringing a slew of other attributes. Unlike Krav, Barron has nothing left to prove at the AHL level. No whining from him.

Kravtsov has a world of talent, but...he's proven nothing. This whole thing where he acts like he's being insulted or disrespected? It's pure entitlement.

I’m convinced you’ve never watched Kravtsov play if you legitimately think Filip Chytil is better than him, let alone better in his 9 game stint than Kravtsov in that 20 game stint. Chytil is Julien Gauthier with a better shot. Zero IQ, zero vision.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m convinced you’ve never watched Kravtsov play if you legitimately think Filip Chytil is better than him, let alone better in his 9 game stint than Kravtsov in that 20 game stint. Chytil is Julien Gauthier with a better shot. Zero IQ, zero vision.

This is becoming delusional

Like @offdacrossbar Enver Lisin territory

 

[EdJovanovski]

This is becoming delusional

Like @offdacrossbar Enver Lisin territory

Thinking Kravtsov has more talent than Chytil is delusional? LOL

 

[NYR Viper]

Thinking Kravtsov has more talent than Chytil is delusional? LOL

He’s yet to show anything in North America. Until then, this is dreaming.

 

[EdJovanovski]

He’s yet to show anything in North America. Until then, this is dreaming.

He looked better in his 20 games than Chytil ever has

 

[NYR Viper]

He looked better in his 20 games than Chytil ever has

Again, this is dreaming. 4 points in the NHL and your anointing him the best prospect in the world. He’s the missing piece and the straw that stirs the drink. It’s upsetting to all of us how it ended but this consistent need to push every other player down and lift up Kravtsov just because it’s upsetting isn’t working man.

He’s a skilled prospect. It sucks it hasn’t worked out. There’s fault on both sides clearly. But let’s ask this, if we took a poll, right now, of everyone on this site, how many people would take Kravtsov over Chytil do you think? 1? 2? It’s not a high percentage.

 

[bhamill]

I’m pretty sure everyone knows Kravtsov has a ton of talent. So did Pavel Brendl so did Alexander Daigle so did … …
Having talent isn’t enough. You can be supremely talented and have a mediocre or non existent career… Kravtsov has proven nothing here.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

He looked better in his 20 games than Chytil ever has

respectfully this is far from the truth, Chytil is being severely underrated here

 

[smoneil]

I’m convinced you’ve never watched Kravtsov play if you legitimately think Filip Chytil is better than him, let alone better in his 9 game stint than Kravtsov in that 20 game stint. Chytil is Julien Gauthier with a better shot. Zero IQ, zero vision.

Kravtsov has more talent than Chytil. Chytil is going to have a better career than Kravtsov. I'll take the player with half the talent and twice the drive over the other way around every single time. And so will every smart coach/GM in the league.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Thinking Kravtsov has more talent than Chytil is delusional? LOL

Kravtsov has million dollar talent, but a $0.02 cent head. Has all the tools, but no tool box.

 

[tomobson]

I’m convinced you’ve never watched Kravtsov play if you legitimately think Filip Chytil is better than him, let alone better in his 9 game stint than Kravtsov in that 20 game stint. Chytil is Julien Gauthier with a better shot. Zero IQ, zero vision.

You better hope Chytil has more talent than that or else Kravtsov is definitely gone for a center prospect.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Let the mods close this thread to keep it at 74 pages as we all pour our OE 40s out and dedicate it to our departed Comrade Vitaly.

 

[NickyFotiu]

He looked better in his 20 games than Chytil ever has

Didn't Chytil once score a goal in 5 straight games?

 

[MysticLeviathan]

The whole “had he waited a week, he’d be back up in the NHL” argument is silly. That’s not the point. All that’s saying is the Rangers can’t play the guy they actually want, so Krav can try and be his replacement, then get sent down when Strome comes back. That doesn’t solve any of Krav’s concerns. Why play for a team who doesn’t really want you? Why represent a team who only cares about you when the players they truly care about get injured? Why play for a team who keeps players in the NHL who are playing blatantly worse than you are?

I hate how this keeps happening to this organization.

 

[eco's bones]

I have been watching hockey since 1978 and playing since the mid 80's. I have only seen a handful of players that can match or exceed Kovalev in talent, and Kravtsov ain't one of those. In fact, he isn't even close.

Trade him for the best return possible. Given how he handles adversity, I am not worried about the blowback.

Edit: I can't quote at the moment......

This is a good read. Kovalev pretty much had it all. He was big and strong and physical in a way that Kravtsov just isn't. The guy had serious talent. I saw him several times in Binghamton and literally whenever he got the puck which was quite often he owned it. No one could get it away from him. He'd skate through or over the opposition with it and that puck was glued to his stick. He was even stingy about sharing it with his own teammates. That was his main bad habit. In all my days I've never ever seen anything like it and if you're wondering why Mike Keenan might leave him on the ice for a 5 minute shift it was shit like that and yet Keenan thinking he was punishing him while Kovalev was thinking he was being rewarded.

Kovalev was not soft or a floater. He had loads of talent and even many years after retirement he can do amazing amazing things with his skating, stickhandling and shooting skills. He absolutely loves to just to get on the ice to mess around.

 

[smoneil]

The whole “had he waited a week, he’d be back up in the NHL” argument is silly. That’s not the point. All that’s saying is the Rangers can’t play the guy they actually want, so Krav can try and be his replacement, then get sent down when Strome comes back. That doesn’t solve any of Krav’s concerns. Why play for a team who doesn’t really want you? Why represent a team who only cares about you when the players they truly care about get injured? Why play for a team who keeps players in the NHL who are playing blatantly worse than you are?

I hate how this keeps happening to this organization.

I mentioned this in an earlier post, but sending down Kravtsov instead of Gauthier indicates that they actually "care" more about Krav than Gaut. Keeping a player up with the intention of sitting him in the press box most nights says to me that the team doesn't think that player has much of a future. They DO (or at least did) think Krav had a future, and a top-6 one to boot, so they sent him down to do the work. Something that happens to literally dozens of 21 year old players every single year across the entire league.

Getting sent down isn't the team being mean to him. It's the team treating him like the high-end prospect he's supposed to be.

 

[NickyFotiu]

The whole “had he waited a week, he’d be back up in the NHL” argument is silly. That’s not the point. All that’s saying is the Rangers can’t play the guy they actually want, so Krav can try and be his replacement, then get sent down when Strome comes back. That doesn’t solve any of Krav’s concerns. Why play for a team who doesn’t really want you? Why represent a team who only cares about you when the players they truly care about get injured? Why play for a team who keeps players in the NHL who are playing blatantly worse than you are?

I hate how this keeps happening to this organization.

The Rangers want every player that can play at a high level. That goes for guys on their team and others. Nobody in the org said we do not like this guy get rid of him. They simply said he did not make the team out of camp. Go down to the AHL to work on your game. It does not mean they do not want him. McD, Zooks, Hags, JT Miller, Shesty, Brady, Kreider, etc all had skill and still spent some time in the AHL.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

The whole “had he waited a week, he’d be back up in the NHL” argument is silly. That’s not the point. All that’s saying is the Rangers can’t play the guy they actually want, so Krav can try and be his replacement, then get sent down when Strome comes back. That doesn’t solve any of Krav’s concerns. Why play for a team who doesn’t really want you? Why represent a team who only cares about you when the players they truly care about get injured? Why play for a team who keeps players in the NHL who are playing blatantly worse than you are?

I hate how this keeps happening to this organization.

Boo-hoo, let me get a tissue for Kravs. The kid has scored 4 lousy points in the NHL and is 21. He also had problems in the KHL. He's earned nothing. That's the way things go in sports and in life. Sometimes things don't work out as planned. It's happened to many yet some choose to whine and some choose to work on things to be successful. Chytil, Barron, and Jones, to name a few, could have similar arguments but chose a different path.