Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[EdJovanovski]

Not sure the relevance here but I'll bite. I've coached and reffed both girls and boys 8-13 (reffed up to 15). And still follow the club circuits closely because my son is there at age 15 and I have former players (mostly girls) who play at very high levels. I also think the girls are tougher. They take a brutal collision and pop back up. The boys roll around for 10 minutes. Part of it is a "game culture" thing where the boys think they're expected to sell everything and treat a tiny elbow as if they were shot. I think the girls are also nastier. Ponytail pulling is something I had to card young girls for all the time. The boys push and shove but the girls can be really, really aggressive.

It's all a generalization as there are plenty of guys who are absolutely tough and nails and plenty of girls who will lay and cry. As I said, I think it's more to do with the culture of the sports; you watch men and selling fouls is an art. I played my whole life and think that's some p***y shit. The women don't do it hardly at all. They bounce right back, or don't even go down. Accordingly, the boys and girls act like what they see top tier players modeling.

Considering teenage boys defeat the women’s national team I have a hard time buying that one lol. Maybe boys roll around hurt because they are faster and heavier and when they collide it does more damage than two girls would? On the younger side of that range though girls may be stronger, I think girls are bigger than boys from around age 9-13 as the boys are pre-pubescent

 

[EdJovanovski]

Is the situation workable? I was thinking he's done in NY but others have got me thinking maybe can play for NYR one day... when the spot is available

Praying it is!

 

[Machinehead]

Strange that he's willing to play in the A for other teams but not the Rangers. Maybe getting sent down wasn't the main issue he had.

I just think he doesn't see a role here.

Panarin is signed. Kreider is signed. Laf and Kakko are just higher-priority prospects.

Could he beat our Kreider in the near future? Absolutely, but he seems to want a guarantee that he's a top-six winger for somebody long-term.

To be frank, I don't think he's earned a guarantee anywhere in the NHL and maybe parting ways is best.

 

[smoneil]

The problem isn't him being sent down, but more that it's another in a long line of decisions that rubbed Kravtsov the wrong way. Right or wrong, we cannot deny that it's pretty disappointing that our current regime has put themselves in this situation and have not learned from the past.

At this point, I weep for Krav's future spouse, because there doesn't appear to BE a "right way" to rub him, haha.

 

[EdJovanovski]

At this point, I weep for Krav's future spouse, because there doesn't appear to BE a "right way" to rub him, haha.

You mean me?

 

[Ruggs225]

I just think he doesn't see a role here.

Panarin is signed. Kreider is signed. Laf and Kakko are just higher-priority prospects.

Could he beat our Kreider in the near future? Absolutely, but he seems to want a guarantee that he's a top-six winger for somebody long-term.

To be frank, I don't think he's earned a guarantee anywhere in the NHL and maybe parting ways is best.

i kinda feel the same way. Though i do think a third line of him, kreider and Chytil could have worked decently. But it is what it is.

 

[Machinehead]

i kinda feel the same way. Though i do think a third line of him, kreider and Chytil could have worked decently. But it is what it is.

It could have been real good but he didn't want that. I think at the end of the day, a lot of this one is on the player.

 

[smoneil]

i kinda feel the same way. Though i do think a third line of him, kreider and Chytil could have worked decently. But it is what it is.

It could have been amazing. Just like a top line of Laf--Zib--Krav could have been amazing (I actually wanted him on a line with Bread and Chytil). Based on talent, he's the best option on a lot of our lines. But when given the opportunity, he has to take it. His pre-season had him on par with guys like Blais and Gauthier. With his talent, he should have left guys like that in the dust. It goes back to the main problem he seems to have: He's more concerned with being a top-6 player than he is with doing the work to consistently play like one.

 

[Ruggs225]

It could have been real good but he didn't want that. I think at the end of the day, a lot of this one is on the player.

agreed. Its a shame. I was super exited for him! Was already one of my favorite ranger prospects ever.

 

[NYR Viper]

I really don't get the hate for Hunt.

Over the first two games, he's near the top of the league in tilting the ice for his team. And as you can see above, that's no anomaly.

He's nasty af AND effective.

If we don't like Dryden Hunt, I think we've reached the point where the expectation for 4th liners just isn't realistic.

All of this. And on top of his beyond solid underlying numbers, the guy is a buzz-saw all over the ice. He hits ALL THE TIME and not only that, he rarely takes himself out of position to do so because he is a good skater and will take the opposing player out as well.

 

[nyr2k2]

Considering teenage boys defeat the women’s national team I have a hard time buying that one lol. Maybe boys roll around hurt because they are faster and heavier and when they collide it does more damage than two girls would? On the younger side of that range though girls may be stronger, I think girls are bigger than boys from around age 9-13 as the boys are pre-pubescent

The discussion is just about who presents as tougher. It has nothing at all to do with skill or physical development.

The theatrics aren't because of differences in masses colliding. I have coaching peers who literally instruct their players--boys--to go to ground at every chance. Not on the girls side.

Anyway, way OT, I'm out.

 

[Machinehead]

All of this. And on top of his beyond solid underlying numbers, the guy is a buzz-saw all over the ice. He hits ALL THE TIME and not only that, he rarely takes himself out of position to do so because he is a good skater and will take the opposing player out as well.

Right, like, if this isn't it, then what's it?

We've had the merry-go-round over grit on this site since I joined and if it's not Dryden Hunt, then I think we just hate 4th liners.

 

[jay from jersey]

Is the situation workable? I was thinking he's done in NY but others have got me thinking maybe can play for NYR one day... when the spot is available

Left for Russia before
Told drury to stuff it and won’t report to Hartford
He’s done here

you have a better chance of playing a game for the rangers then Kravy does at this point

 

[Ruggs225]

This whole Situation is just weird. I wonder if there was any player problems with Krav and his attitude that also exacerbated this.

it just seems strange bc he was going to play. They told him he was going to go back up shortly after conditioning, there was room in top 9 and maybe even top 6 depending on how lines gel.

it just doesnt make sense. Unless he just wants to be “the guy” and not be overshadowed by alot of other players.

I dont know. I just dont get it.

also its probably just me that doesnt want to believe that the organization is incompetent and/or a favorite prospect is just a dick

 

[Miamipuck]

Right, like, if this isn't it, then what's it?

We've had the merry-go-round over grit on this site since I joined and if it's not Dryden Hunt, then I think we just hate 4th liners.

What did Sherlock used to say.........oh yeah

Elementary, my dear Watson

especially 4th liners that weren't home-grown.

 

[Machinehead]

I think diving and theatrics is just an unfortunate but natural thing that's going to happen in sports, especially as the competition level ramps up. I don't think the boys are necessarily "less tough" in that case, it kind of just is what it is.

The girls can't show weakness. They can't even think about showing weakness. They're already ostracized on the basis that they "can't handle it." They're more concerned with the presentation.

The boys aren't, so if you can get ahead...like I said, it is what it is.

That's my sociology take on it.

 

[Miamipuck]

What the heck, I love a good derailing lol.

Generalizing, yeah I think the girls are tougher, I honestly think they have to be. Of course it really should be based off the individual and their circumstances.

Machinehead went into more detail.............

 

[NYR Viper]

Right, like, if this isn't it, then what's it?

We've had the merry-go-round over grit on this site since I joined and if it's not Dryden Hunt, then I think we just hate 4th liners.

He literally checks all the boxes for everyone. Metrics are good. Speed is good. Hits constantly. Isn't a black-hole offensively.

The ONLY thing I would like to see him develop is the ability to PK. But if does that, when he hits UFA after next season, he is going to be looking at a $2-3m contract somewhere as he won't be an 'under the radar' pick up anymore. His numbers and play are that good.

 

[will1066]

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[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

there is 100% an agenda against/targeting young boys in society. There’s plenty of facts and evidence to support it, but that’s a whole long different discussion.
Men, or men as we grew up knowing and watching them, are indeed becoming and endangered species.
Here’s to yesterday in that regard imo.
But as far as your convo, soccer isn’t exactly the sport that you find the manliest of men to begin with.
I’m not making fun or anything like that and I’m not talking up to 12 years old or so. Every kid plays everything to a point, but when high school roles around, the more aggressive physical sports are the ones that usually attract the rough and tumble kids.
It’s where you see a big shift in kids that play football, basketball, wrestling, hockey ( if parents can afford it. My mom couldn’t) etc as opposed to soccer, track, swimming and sports of that nature.
I would say, overall even in the physical sports that the boys are more tame the even in the early 2000s.”
The stuff like sports/movies/tv etc was far more edge and brutal in the 80s/90s/ early 2000s then what kids watch now

I would just interject that a lot of quality hockey players also play lacrosse and/or soccer/international football. Same the other way. I know a lot of quality footballers/soccer players who play a mean beer league hockey.

 

[EdJovanovski]

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Tob has requested a trade from HFNYR. The poster is believed to be seeking a better board-life balance. Sources said the high pace and volume of activity at HFNYR has meant that he has been posting more than he would like. Lately he has also encountered some friction on the board with his thread questioning whether Rangers head coach Gerard Gallant had done his homework.

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Attempts to reach Tob for comment have gone unanswered so far.

This is a developing story and will be updated.

Useless bum. Never draft a Western Canadian kid again

 

[RangerBoy]

Kravtsov is the only Russian who hates the AHL.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

I just don't buy that the issue is he doesn't see top 6 minutes here long term.

1. He's willing to go to AHL for another team
2. He saw Buchnevich spend seasons in the bottom 6 before earning top 6 ice time and salary. And in that case, Buchnevich played himself off the team.

I think probably he and Drury clashed at some point in the past, and Drury has told him to go kick rocks.
Also, the insider announcements were very weird for this situation... It wasn't "NYR looking for trade partner for Kravtsov," it was basically "NYR told Kravtsov's agent they can talk to other teams to try and find a deal." Makes me think Drury has no interest in even spending time looking for a trade partner.

Hard situation to read

 

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

I'll bite too. Girls that choose to play tough sports feel like they have something to prove. Heck yeah my daughter is tougher then my boys. Undersized but will NOT go down.

I'm not so sure that girls feel like they have something to prove any more than I did when I was what they now call "an elite amateur athlete." I think it may be true that less boys have that instinct, for whatever reason. I just think it's funny that I, as an older dad now to our youngest, didn't see it as some type of gender phenomenon that the younger dad's I spoke with yesterday seemed to view as a normal state of affairs. American football dad's too. BTW, most of the guys in the conversation played hockey at the college level, which is what brought the two sides together in the first place.

I'm playing the devil's advocate here because I was the one saying how tough our American Football kids and boys varsity soccer kids are, but truth be told, I was focusing on our stars and they were focusing on the bulk of the players. I left the game thinking that they had a good point.

 

[jay from jersey]

I would just interject that a lot of quality hockey players also play lacrosse and/or soccer/international football. Same the other way. I know a lot of quality footballers/soccer players who play a mean beer league hockey.

Yea I’m not saying everyone who plays those sports are soft. Lacrosse can get pretty violent as well as far as stick work and predatory hits.
I’m talking more overall groupings as a whole.
I’ve never seen a soccer play pick a fight with a rugby/ or football player and come out on the winning end