Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[rangers1314]

how does that work in Russia??

well, right. People have mentioned that as well.

 

[rangers1314]

Vitali is really sticking his neck out with this trade request.

Mike Glennon neckin havin ass bitch

 

[Synergy27]

Right, but then what about Seth Jones, the Tkachuk brothers, even Brendan Brission currenly a PPG guy at Michigan? Probably tons of other examples of kids coming from serious money who don't have attitude issues or think they're just entitled to roles.

Reality is you've gotta be at least middle class to even play this sport.

I mean, the legacy NHLers are typically at an advantage because they really know what it takes to make it and have a huge desire to do so.

That said, I know this isn’t an exact science. I also wouldn’t go overboard with it. But this would definitely be in my file and would be pretty high up on the tie breaker list when comparing guys I have ranked closely.

 

[TheBPA]

how does that work in Russia??

You then take that money and you exchange it for goods and services.

 

[Thirty One]

Right, but then what about Seth Jones, the Tkachuk brothers, even Brendan Brission currenly a PPG guy at Michigan? Probably tons of other examples of kids coming from serious money who don't have attitude issues or think they're just entitled to roles.

Reality is you've gotta be at least middle class to even play this sport.

Anthony Stewart's family was poor. He couldn't find it in his powers to stay in shape during his career. I wouldn't go around looking for poor kids to draft.

 

[LORDE]

The bridge has been burned and he’s on the wrong side of it. I don’t see him ever playing another game for us.

This... but also this will be another trade where we get pennies...

Lias
ADA
Buch
and now Kravtsov

All along there were signs on these guys (Buch aside) but all could've been moved when they had any kind of value... instead we again get bent over.

 

[DutchNYR]

how does that work in Russia??

The same as in the other 194 countries in the world.

 

[jay from jersey]

Only rumors of teams that have expressed interest in the past. All western teams at this point.

Most likely Canucks/Calgary/ANA/andLA I’m guessing.

Didn’t you say Stevie Y and the wings were high on him during his draft year? I could see him circling the waters to try and get him at a discounted price as well????

 

[Edge]

It's a heart rate thing again?

Not that I am aware of.

 

[Edge]

Most likely Canucks/Calgary/ANA/andLA I’m guessing.

Didn’t you say Stevie Y and the wings were high on him during his draft year? I could see him circling the waters to try and get him at a discounted price as well????

Detroit was a team that expressed interest over the summer as part of the bigger deal they were trying to pull off.

There will be interest there. The question is what people are willing to pay.

 

[rangers1314]

I mean, the legacy NHLers are typically at an advantage because they really know what it takes to make it and have a huge desire to do so.

That said, I know this isn’t an exact science. I also wouldn’t go overboard with it. But this would definitely be in my file and would be pretty high up on the tie breaker list when comparing guys I have ranked closely.

Right, but I think its like anything else in life.

I grew up in a nice area on LI. No one was broke but some people had a lot.

Some of those kids grew up to be normal hard working professional people, others not so much. It just comes down to the person I think.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Detroit was a team that expressed interest over the summer as part of the bigger deal they were trying to pull off.

There will be interest there. The question is what people are willing to pay.

Wouldn't be shocked if a savvy guy like Stevie Y was only willing to pay bare minimum, given the circumstance. He's usually the guy trading players with issues, not trading for them.

 

[rangers1314]

Detroit was a team that expressed interest over the summer as part of the bigger deal they were trying to pull off.

There will be interest there. The question is what people are willing to pay.

I saw they sent Velano down.

Anything there you think?

 

[gravey9]

Putting yourself in situations with volatile personalities, where this is a distinct possibility, is not good management.

Kravtsov's reaction is poor. But it is also predictable based on his past behavior.

Knowing the struggles you have to this point, you do one of two things.

You either move on, so that it's a non-factor.

Or you accept it for the combustible element it is and you proceed accordingly.

Waiting for the situation to fulfill its high-probability of combusting, after you've already already had explosions with this player (and two others), is not a prudent move.

Again, NONE of this is uncharted territory.

I dunno man. It's a conditioning stint. He was going to come back quickly. If that's true and the kid couldn't handle 1-2 week stint in the AHL -- something that many vets do commonly in multiple sports -- this is on VK. If it's as combustible as it sounds then in all likelihood, rumors of his attitude are widely known in hockey circles. The only way to get his value up is for him to play and prove he can be a positive force.

I'm all for a kid being deeply confident in his abilities. But when you refuse to go to the AHL even for a week or two it actually reveals a lack of confidence in your abilities.

The thing with trading highly touted prospects is, the minute you start volunteering them as trade chips their value naturally diminishes. You want to maximize their value? Offer them somewhat hesitantly in a larger trade for a bigger piece.

 

[Larrybiv]

It seems like every week I come onto HFboards and there’s a new f***ing bombshell with this team.

Not "our" fault........life is full of bombshells. Just have to sidestep them, if you can.
Kravtsov can't seem to skate PAST and live through, anything that doesnt give him (the child) his candy (ice time).
I have no time for spoiled brats, if I dont get what I want, why should he? Grow the %¶∆✓ up!

 

[gravey9]

I saw they sent Velano down.

Anything there you think?

Yeah, seems like the kind of asset that a team like Montreal would trade for. Maybe LA too.

 

[NYR Viper]

Wouldn't be shocked if a savvy guy like Stevie Y was only willing to pay bare minimum, given the circumstance. He's usually the guy trading players with issues, not trading for them.

All Drury would need to do is point to Drouin and say, I'm doing what you did there. End of conversation

 

[gravey9]

The Wings probably don’t want to move Larkin.

I really don’t see Kravtsov returning a useful roster player at this time. If the return is prospects or picks unless some team offers something commensurate right off to Vitali we have a lot of time to sort through offers and there is no rush. We do not owe him any favors as far as doing this quickly or sending him to a competitive team. It’s always best offer.

The bridge has been burned and he’s on the wrong side of it. I don’t see him ever playing another game for us.

If I'm the Rangers I want another prospect or futures for VK. Not saying it's plausible. And Id be willing to package Hajek or some other player with him. One thing the Rangers could use is a good prospect that won't crack the NHL until next year or year after. A center would be most ideal. But literally anyone that can have a different ELC trajectory.

 

[Edge]

I dunno man. It's a conditioning stint. He was going to come back quickly. If that's true and the kid couldn't handle 1-2 week stint in the AHL -- something that many vets do commonly in multiple sports -- this is on VK. If it's as combustible as it sounds then in all likelihood, rumors of his attitude are widely known in hockey circles. The only way to get his value up is for him to play and prove he can be a positive force.

I'm all for a kid being deeply confident in his abilities. But when you refuse to go to the AHL even for a week or two it actually reveals a lack of confidence in your abilities.

The thing with trading highly touted prospects is, the minute you start volunteering them as trade chips their value naturally diminishes. You want to maximize their value? Offer them somewhat hesitantly in a larger trade for a bigger piece.

Thr debate isn’t whether VK isn’t spoiled or in the wrong. The debate is whether you ride the risk knowing that beforehand. Or draw further attention to it.

At some point, if you hold onto VK while knowing what the Rangers knew, there’s only one way it’s going to end for you. Especially if you take approaches that, right or wrong, are going to get you closer to that end.

This isn’t strike one. Or even strike two. At some point you’re racing to the point of no return where there are no more strikes.

As for knowledge around the league, yes and no. People know he’s not the hardest worker in the world. They know there was an incident. They don’t fully know about the end of the year activities and they don’t really know if the situation is combustible.

But they do now and they also have a new incident to add to the list. So yeah, in an industry where everyone is looking for every once of leverage, they got just a bit more.

 

[jay from jersey]

What are Kravtsov’s life options if hockey doesn’t pan out? Serious question, and honestly a major discriminating factor I would use in evaluating prospects. Is this kid’s dad an oligarch or some shit?

Yes. Filthy rich

 

[brakeyawself]

I think there is way more a chance than some believe.

Well, at least there is no issue moving Kravtsov now. But I don't think much has changed elsewhere. Hey, if Sabres want Kravtsov, Miller, Strome and like a 2nd round pick, I'm game. Just no Schneider, Lundkvist, Jones, Kakko, Laf, Chytil at this point.

And yea, we would need to move more than just prospects, but salary, to now afford JE.

And I still don't think he's a great choice, but I would accept him as 2C.

 

[Edge]

Not "our" fault........life is full of bombshells. Just have to sidestep them, if you can.
Kravtsov can't seem to skate PAST and live through, anything that doesnt give him (the child) his candy (ice time).
I have no time for spoiled brats, if I dont get what I want, why should he? Grow the %¶∆✓ up!

I think the first time it happens you have the benefit of the doubt. Maybe even the second time. But the reality is that this now the third or fourth significant issue we’ve had in a short time.

At some point we do have fault in what’s happening.

In the case of Kravtsov and the Rangers I think you have a broken relationship with people who, for all their comments, were probably not willing or prepared to move the relationship forward unless they didn’t have to change anything about what caused the initial rift in the first place.

I think both sides had that mentality, and here we are.

Again.

 

[jay from jersey]

Yeah, seems like the kind of asset that a team like Montreal would trade for. Maybe LA too.

Some pens fans have suggested Poulin. It’s actually a good idea imo. I know we’re in the same division, but poulin is a solid prospect. He’s still 1-2 years out imo, while kravtsov could step in and play now.
Poulin also plays all 3 fwd positions.

I’d hate to see Kravy hit his ceiling with the pens and us have to play them a lot, they run the same risk with Poulin though.
Seeing kovalev in a pens jersey always left a bad taste in my mouth though....

 

[gravey9]

Thr debate isn’t whether VK isn’t spoiled or in the wrong. The debate is whether you ride the risk knowing that beforehand. Or draw further attention to it.

At some point, if you hold onto VK while knowing what the Rangers knew, there’s only one way it’s going to end for you. Especially if you take approaches that, right or wrong, or going to get you closer to that end.

This isn’t strike one. Or even strike two. At some point you’re racing to the point of no return where there are no more strikes.

As for knowledge around the league, yes and no. People know he’s not the hardest worker in the world. They know there was an incident. They don’t fully know about the end of the year activities and they don’t really know if the situation is combustible.

But they do now and they also have a new incident to add to the list. So yeah, in an industry where everyone is looking for every once of leverage, they got just a bit more.

Did you see the flack Dury got for the Buchnevich trade? Imagine the reaction if he made a similar deal for VK without the fanbase knowing of his issues? And you generally don't come out after a trade and say yeah that guy we just traded to another team has issues because the public won't buy it then either. They'll think it's a CYA for a terrible trade. In some ways, these things run their course one way or another. The optimal approach re: return for VK was as a package for a bigger fish which is what Drury was looking at all summer. Is it ideal? Is it good asset management? No. Would the same exact thing have happened under Gorton and JD? I mean... I think so. Is your criticism valid? Sure. But is VK any different than Josh Ho Sang or Drouin or any number of guys just like them who do the same thing?

I mean, look at Pierre Luc Dubois? Certainly seems like a kid who has similar issues to VK. But CBJ played him and kept him around long enough to maximize his value.

The thing with these types of players... are they problematic, yes. Maybe avoid drafting them if poss. But once you have them, you maximize their value by having enough patience to put them on the ice. Because despite their issues they can still build a ton of value by showcasing their on-ice abilities.

If the report is true and he was only being sent down for a tiny period for conditioning and refused - i mean that's just such a fragile ego. I mean, I'd still be a little shocked by the reaction even knowing the player's history. They are literally telling him it'll be really short. All he had to do was go down for 1-2 weeks and if they didn't call him up he can throw his hissy fit then.

 

[brakeyawself]

Certainly a possibility he was told he’d have a starting top 9 wing spot here, especially after the Buch trade.
It’s a very similar situation to ADA last season IMO.
They both didn’t think that their ice time/spots were a real risk of losing. Then when other guys steeped up and played better, or the coach thought a different player/different skillset on the line was better, and gave the team a better chance of winning, they both lost their shit
I also think Nils was promised something similar. There comes a point in time a few years after being drafted with some Euro players ( no all) where either they’re good enough, or they believe their good enough to start and really don’t want a maybe to uproot their life and leave their country to be stuck in some dinky AHL city riding the bus.
They weigh their options and it’s not worth it to them. They’d rather start fresh somewhere else where the path to their goal is easier and the future picture is more clear.
I can absolutely see Drury telling Krav going to Hartford is short term for just a few months etc etc and Krav not believing him with all of the past history with Krav/NYR. Basically, he prob felt like they went back on their first promise, so I don’t believe them this time.
He prob also saw how the roster is constructed and with other guys similar age etc vying for limited spots/ice time and he just doesn’t want that type of competition.
It goes back to my original point. These rich kids that have everything handed to them all their lives crumble and cry when an adversity tornado comes and kicks everything upside down.
I’m not saying Krav didn’t/doesn’t work Hard, but when his type don’t get their way, and things go wrong, they don’t double down and try harder. They look for an escape route.
That doesn’t just apply for hockey either. You can see it in various forms throughout all aspects of life. I’m sure you know the type and have dealt with it.
This kid was a prima-donna Since the day we drafted him. He thought the AHL was beneath him then, and still thinks that now, I don’t care what he’s says publicly, that’s PR bullshit.
We’ve seen the same pattern in his first departure and are watching round 2 unfold now. Quite honestly, I hope he gets traded and they can reconcile. Which is 99% likely anyway at this point.
This team needs more players with less of that line or thinking.

I agree. But in this case, I think the demotion had more to do with the Rangers obsession and refusal to admit Hajek doesn't belong in the NHL and perhaps upper management egoism. Like, Drury is pissing on the hydrant right now, congratulating himself for being the "alpha" who won't tolerate 20 year olds being 20 year olds. If they wanted to send a message to Kravtsov, first do it vocally and then symbolically. And if this wasn't about sending him a message or trying to keep Hajek at the cost of whatever, then it means they aren't happy with Krav.

But then, they had to see something like this brewing. Which means it would have been better off trading him prior to roster cuts, or sending someone else who is 2 way eligible down, showcasing Krav in order to trade him. This seems like they just didn't grasp the situation at all and just acted without thinking it through.

And seriously, Hajek is worth letting go completely. So losing him JUST to showcase Kravtsov for a trade, still makes more sense than keeping Hajek at the expense of Kravtsov. At least in my view.