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[BankStreetParade]

I know, I explained that things could have changed had the Senators cashed in their chances.

I think it's worth saying that it's highly unlikely you're going to get a lot of people believing in these moral victories and hypothetical if-this-bounce-had-gone-our-way-we-could-have-won scenarios. Ultimately, results will matter. The preseason does not matter but soon the games will and there will be no room for any of this "things would have been totally different if not for these 3 things!" statements as we talk about losses piling up in the early parts of the season.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

this team just has to start hot.

sick of the season being over after a month.

 

[Cosmix]

Mike Sullivan pens coach looks like Fred mcmurtry from shaggy dog da

I, for one, cannot tell them apart! Could they have been "separated at birth"?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Full blown panic here. I don't get it. They've had a relatively decent pre-season and it doesn't really matter in the end. Last year Korpse was lights out in pre-season, then immediately stunk it up once the games mattered, now people want to quote what he's doing in Boston pre-season as if we should miss him. Lunacy. We didn't have our new, real starting goaltender in net last night and didn't lose by much. Also still missing Zub who brings balance to the D. They need to put it together and Forsberg needs to hold it together for 20-25 games or gtfo, but I'm not going to panic without Ullmark in net, he's the biggest positive change they made in the offseason, by far.

 

[Cosmix]

this team just has to start hot.

sick of the season being over after a month.

That would be nice but I am not expecting "hot". If they are at 50% after 20 games, I would be surprised.

Full blown panic here. I don't get it. They've had a relatively decent pre-season and it doesn't really matter in the end. Last year Korpse was lights out in pre-season, then immediately stunk it up once the games mattered, now people want to quote what he's doing in Boston pre-season as if we should miss him. Lunacy. We didn't have our new, real starting goaltender in net last night and didn't lose by much. Also still missing Zub who brings balance to the D. They need to put it together and Forsberg needs to hold it together for 20-25 games or gtfo, but I'm not going to panic without Ullmark in net, he's the biggest positive change they made in the offseason, by far.

Forsberg will be gone at the end of the season.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Forsberg will be gone at the end of the season.

I agree. It's his last season in Ottawa either way and I don't think Staios will hesitate to make a change prior if he's failing. As bad as Korpisalo was last year, Forsberg was right there with him.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I think it's worth saying that it's highly unlikely you're going to get a lot of people believing in these moral victories and hypothetical if-this-bounce-had-gone-our-way-we-could-have-won scenarios. Ultimately, results will matter. The preseason does not matter but soon the games will and there will be no room for any of this "things would have been totally different if not for these 3 things!" statements as we talk about losses piling up in the early parts of the season.

I don't disagree, but it's pre-season and we're just employing a new system and Mr Greig missed a wide open chance. They all need their timing back etc etc etc

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Also, it's incredible that Crosby is out there still being the best player on the ice. The LeBron James of hockey at this point with how he's playing in to the twilight of his career.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

That would be nice but I am not expecting "hot". If they are at 50% after 20 games, I would be surprised.


Forsberg will be gone at the end of the season.

It might be sooner than that now that we have brought in Cole Ceci.

 

[DrEasy]

Dropping a Megamind reference out of nowhere, Brady is a true zoomer.

ngl I had to google what that was.

 

[UglyPuckling]

I know, I explained that things could have changed had the Senators cashed in their chances.

Fortunately, its still the preseason, so there’s still lots of runway left to take off. Just wanted to mention that as who knows how people might react to posts. Like I’ve said, maybe it will take time for the systems Green is deploying to sink in and perhaps they will find another gear. Having said that, Pittsburgh is a team that the Senators might be competing with for a wild card spot, so maybe there’s a little extra attention & focus on this game while still understanding its preseason and there were no points lost.

 

[bert]

Fortunately, its still the preseason, so there’s still lots of runway left to take off. Just wanted to mention that as who knows how people might react to posts. Like I’ve said, maybe it will take time for the systems Green is deploying to sink in and perhaps they will find another gear. Having said that, Pittsburgh is a team that the Senators might be competing with for a wild card spot, so maybe there’s a little extra attention & focus on this game while still understanding its preseason and there were no points lost.

So the system was working it looked like they ran out of gas to excecute it. Which I guess can be looked at two ways, its not sustainable or they dont know how to do it efficiently. I know how the vocal people will look at it. I personally see it as something they have to work at and work on to get through, its gonna take some time but the early results to me were promising.

But I will say this, the one big difference between pre season and regular season is the result doesnt matter. Yeah in the regular season you just want to make sure you get the 2 points thats all that matters, if you get out played but win so be it. In a preseason game id rather be the better team in the game than get the win. The sens were faster and had more chances than Pitt. They lost the game due to a combination of a bad goal against, a lucky goal against and a missed open net. However they were the better team. I will take the process over the result in pre season.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

LOL. The regular season REALLY needs to start. People are panicking about a meaningless preseason game.

Green wasn't my first choice but even preseason it's pretty clear he's a significant upgrade on who we had running the show each of the previous five camps.

Now if we start the way have all the other years I'll be right there with my concern. And anger.

 

[BankStreetParade]

LOL. The regular season REALLY needs to start. People are panicking about a meaningless preseason game.

Green wasn't my first choice but even preseason it's pretty clear he's a significant upgrade on who we had running the show each of the previous five camps.

Now if we start the way have all the other years I'll be right there with my concern. And anger.

Who exactly is panicking? And how have you seen so much of these alleged reactions that you've formed such a strong opinion about it?

Yes, the preseason is meaningless. It still doesn't change the fact that the team lost 5-2. It's really bizarre to have lived through the context of many many losing seasons where the team gets off to a slow start and not understand that people are feeling nervous that this type of result could be an indicator of things to come.

 

[Cosmix]

There were also some tap in goals from a player (e.g., Crosby) alone at the side of the net. I think some will blame it on the goalie as per usual. I do think Forsberg had one stinky goal that he let in, so we would have only lost 4 - 2 then. It's still a loss regardless. But the superficial and lazy analysis from some will focus on a single source of blame, namely the goalie.

Crosby is obviously an exceptional player who can and has scored a lot of goals and should be covered closely. Too bad the F and/or D who should have been covering him did not do so.

 

[NyQuil]

Full blown panic here. I don't get it. They've had a relatively decent pre-season and it doesn't really matter in the end. Last year Korpse was lights out in pre-season, then immediately stunk it up once the games mattered, now people want to quote what he's doing in Boston pre-season as if we should miss him. Lunacy. We didn't have our new, real starting goaltender in net last night and didn't lose by much. Also still missing Zub who brings balance to the D. They need to put it together and Forsberg needs to hold it together for 20-25 games or gtfo, but I'm not going to panic without Ullmark in net, he's the biggest positive change they made in the offseason, by far.

We spend so much time discussing who is missing and optimal lines but it seems like you will get about 5 games a year where you can select from the complete roster.

Who exactly is panicking? And how have you seen so much of these alleged reactions that you've formed such a strong opinion about it?

Yes, the preseason is meaningless. It still doesn't change the fact that the team lost 5-2. It's really bizarre to have lived through the context of many many losing seasons where the team gets off to a slow start and not understand that people are feeling nervous that this type of result could be an indicator of things to come.

Be honest, you would be nervous if the Sens ran the table in pre-season.

The team is full of question marks regardless of how they look or play in pre-season.

 

[Cosmix]

But that's always been the issue. Same thing with Jacques Martin... The system wasn't the issue, but the players not being able to consistently apply it. They would look good for bits and people would say "see the system works" but then they would not play well for periods and rack up a few Ls and people would make excuses...and then we win some and people point to it as what are team is capable of and gets enthusiastic...and then we lose more games and hear more excuses.

You're right that we need to let it play out. I'm just saying so far, we saw the team show up for a part of the game and looked good...and then we saw them not look so good, and lose the game. That reminds me a lot of last year. We looked amazing for many portions of many games, but we couldn't put it down for 60 mins to get the W. It's just preseason, so it doesn't mean anything. I'm just looking for signs.

So far, showing up for portions of the game and looking like world beaters for a few mins, and then also looking bad for portions of the game and losing the game is par for the course from last year. Same shit, different day.


So, sure, this coach will bring a different style, and we will see it more and more over the next ~30 or some games like you mention, for sure...

But if the team still can't play consistently for 60 mins, game after game, we're probably going to lose our fair share of games, and be on the outside looking in yet again.

Some of the players have adopted behaviours on the ice that are not sound defensively because of prior coaching. Hopefully the new coaching staff will put greater emphasis on playing a sound defensive game and cure them of their laziness. It will take some time. I hope this coaching staff can see the deficiencies and teach them how to play better in all 3 zones.

 

[Cosmix]

if this was written earlier, my apologies.

Many of Pitt's better players were playing game 1 of the pre-season.

5-2 for Pitt.

A tad troubling.

Certainly not a reason to suggest "optimism" for the Ottawa Senators; there is no need to "panic". "A tad troubling" will do nicely!

 

[Cosmix]

Game was lost in the 2nd when Ottawa was all over them and couldn't capitalize. Could easily have been 4-1, should have been 3-1 minimum. Instead you give a team with good firepower a second life.

The new additions of Jensen and Perron were both good imo. Perron was buzzing all night and still has excellent skills

I don't think either of them were "excellent"; however, they were not as bad as I thought they might be. Jensen seems to be competent as a defensive defenseman. Perron was OK.

It might be sooner than that now that we have brought in Cole Ceci.

Cole Ceci?

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Who exactly is panicking? And how have you seen so much of these alleged reactions that you've formed such a strong opinion about it?

Yes, the preseason is meaningless. It still doesn't change the fact that the team lost 5-2. It's really bizarre to have lived through the context of many many losing seasons where the team gets off to a slow start and not understand that people are feeling nervous that this type of result could be an indicator of things to come.

Saying the team looks just like previous seasons seems like panicking, overreaction and/or lying to me. I don't even know exactly how we looked in previous preseasons, but I do know that they didn't always look bad. I seem to remember the team being good in at least one of DJ's preseason campaigns. It means nothing.

Last night looked like a team that is still getting to know a new coach and his system. And yet they still played well for half the game.

 

[Loach]

So the system was working it looked like they ran out of gas to excecute it. Which I guess can be looked at two ways, its not sustainable or they dont know how to do it efficiently. I know how the vocal people will look at it. I personally see it as something they have to work at and work on to get through, its gonna take some time but the early results to me were promising.

But I will say this, the one big difference between pre season and regular season is the result doesnt matter. Yeah in the regular season you just want to make sure you get the 2 points thats all that matters, if you get out played but win so be it. In a preseason game id rather be the better team in the game than get the win. The sens were faster and had more chances than Pitt. They lost the game due to a combination of a bad goal against, a lucky goal against and a missed open net. However they were the better team. I will take the process over the result in pre season.

They ran out of gas because they where thinking I bet. Isn't that what Stu said, having to think about what Green wants , or something like that. When you have to stop your thoughts and check to make sure it's right while still moving fast...wears you out. Over thinking Dude. They can't just go, react, move and flow. It will come. Some of these guys have to learn how to learn too. Catch my drift bro? Shits gotta be natural. Lol.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

They ran out of gas because they where thinking I bet. Isn't that what Stu said, having to think about what Green wants , or something like that. When you have to stop your thoughts and check to make sure it's right while still moving fast...wears you out. Over thinking Dude. They can't just go, react, move and flow. It will come. Some of these guys have to learn how to learn too. Catch my drift bro? Shits gotta be natural. Lol.

 

[Icelevel]

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They need to commit and replace all the nameplates with “R. Bobby”

 

[jbeck5]

Saying the team looks just like previous seasons seems like panicking, overreaction and/or lying to me. I don't even know exactly how we looked in previous preseasons, but I do know that they didn't always look bad. I seem to remember the team being good in at least one of DJ's preseason campaigns. It means nothing.

Last night looked like a team that is still getting to know a new coach and his system. And yet they still played well for half the game.

Then you need to brush up on your definition of panicking.

Saying you see a lot of similar issues of last season like you predicted (in a calm manner I might add) is not panicking. It's not an overreaction either nor is it lying.

That's the problem. No one is freaking out lol they're just discussing...and you disagree with them, therefore accuse them of panicking because they simple describe something different than your opinion. That's it.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

We spend so much time discussing who is missing and optimal lines but it seems like you will get about 5 games a year where you can select from the complete roster.

That's fair, and complete health is not realistic, but at least in the context of goaltending, I'd like to see our massive upgrade playing in the game before I hit the panic button. We all knew both guys were a train wreck last year.