Value of: Kotkaniemi extension

[nhlfan9191]

Yikes i didn’t realize some habs fans are still trying to convince people that Carolina didn’t screw them over.

Bergevin literally got fired and you guys are still trying to defend him after he basically gave up 3rd overall + for a 3rd line C.

Oh well, i guess the standings speak for themselves.

The mistake wasn’t letting Kohtkaniemi go at that money. He wasn’t worth anywhere near that contract and not qualifying him at that price the year after walked him to UFA. The blunder was throwing away the first received in the offersheet for Dvorak.

 

[General Fanager]

Yikes i didn’t realize some habs fans are still trying to convince people that Carolina didn’t screw them over.

Bergevin literally got fired and you guys are still trying to defend him after he basically gave up 3rd overall + for a 3rd line C.

Oh well, i guess the standings speak for themselves.

yea cause having KK instead of Dvorak and The Habs would be near the top of the league, what a bunch of nonsense.

6.1 for him was insane and The Habs had no choice but to let him go. Habs haters and Canes fans can laugh all the like but the facts are the facts, he is now on a really good team and he is putting up 3 line numbers at best.

 

[TheUglyTruth]

Please tell me everyone on this thread knows that Montreal keeps their pick this year if it’s top ten and Arizona gets Carolina’s which basically means we got Dvorak for two 2nds ???

which pretty much means the habs won this deal as it stands!

 

[General Fanager]

Weren’t there rumours KK’s agent had done discussions about what an extension would look like before the offer sheet was signed?

If he did they broke league rules and should be investigated.

 

[General Fanager]

Please tell me everyone on this thread knows that Montreal keeps their pick this year if it’s top ten and Arizona gets Carolina’s which basically means we got Dvorak for two 2nds ???

which pretty much means the habs won this deal as it stands!

Of course they know but for the haters its more fun to mock with made up facts than the real ones.

 

[Fatass]

If he did they broke league rules and should be investigated.

Is it against the rules to talk about the future with a free agent?

 

[Smif]

Such as? What UFAs signed or players traded at the end of August onwards would have represented a better use of that cap space?

I was thinking of trades. Dvorak to Carolina would've made more sense, no? Costs less assets and cash, saves those things for TDA.

 

[General Fanager]

Is it against the rules to talk about the future with a free agent?

They can negotiate the contract but I believe they have to wait until January 1st to discuss an extension.

They probably still do on the DL but I bet it isn't so smart for either side.

 

[TheUglyTruth]

Of course they know but for the haters its more fun to mock with made up facts than the real ones.

Shouldn’t be allowed to to discuss or comment unless presenting precise and factual information

 

[Fatass]

They can negotiate the contract but I believe they have to wait until January 1st to discuss an extension.

It’s a George Laroque rumour:
Secret long-term contract in place for Kotkaniemi in Carolina!

 

[General Fanager]

It’s a George Laroque rumour:
Secret long-term contract in place for Kotkaniemi in Carolina!

Well first of all its Laraque so don't get excited. He isn't exactly Bobby Mac.

Secondly, I fail to see why it makes sense for either side to make a new deal so early....

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Yikes i didn’t realize some habs fans are still trying to convince people that Carolina didn’t screw them over.

Bergevin literally got fired and you guys are still trying to defend him after he basically gave up 3rd overall + for a 3rd line C.

Oh well, i guess the standings speak for themselves.

Do you have a reading comprehension issue?
I literally wrote that none of the team involved in the situation were winners. How does that tantamount to defending Bergevin or saying that the habs didn't get screwed over?

 

[Fatass]

Do you have a reading comprehension issue?
I literally wrote that none of the team involved in the situation were winners. How does that tantamount to defending Bergevin or saying that the habs didn't get screwed over?

Isn’t there some switch of picks thing with Arizona depending on the Habs not being bottom 10?

 

[Shocker]

13 pts in 29 games is not a 1st line guy.

That's not what he said, reading comprehension.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Isn’t there some switch of picks thing with Arizona depending on the Habs not being bottom 10?

Yes.
At this point, it's pretty much guaranteed that Arizona will receive Carolina's first-round pick instead of the habs first.

 

[General Fanager]

That's not what he said, reading comprehension.

Yes it was, he was trying to use some fancy stat to prove that Kotka puts up 1st line production. Fact is that he doesn't.

 

[StickShift]

Watch Carolina be absolute mad lads and take him to 85% cutback arbitration. They'd probably have a strong case too.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I was thinking of trades. Dvorak to Carolina would've made more sense, no? Costs less assets and cash, saves those things for TDA.

Kotkaniemi has no impact on next season’s payroll at this time. The Canes can just cut bait if it’s not working out. The same is not true of Dvorak, who ended up costing Montreal more in raw assets. For that reason, I don’t like Dvorak’s fit with how Carolina is built. Committing to him as a 2C, because of his term, may be okay for a team like Montreal, but for a club that sees itself as a legit cup contender, he’s underwhelming. Of course, a 4C at that price tag past 21-22 is terribly inefficient.

 

[General Fanager]

Watch Carolina be absolute mad lads and take him to 85% cutback arbitration. They'd probably have a strong case too.

They would have to qualify him first at 6.1 so I doubt that very much. Car will cut bait and he will be a UFA in July.

 

[T_Cage]

Please tell me everyone on this thread knows that Montreal keeps their pick this year if it’s top ten and Arizona gets Carolina’s which basically means we got Dvorak for two 2nds ???

which pretty much means the habs won this deal as it stands!

then by that logic Carolina basically got JK for a 2nd and a 3rd, which means they did pretty good too

 

[General Fanager]

then by that logic Carolina basically got JK for a 2nd and a 3rd, which means they did pretty good too

Seems a little steep for a 3rd line winger but sure I guess that's true.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

They would have to qualify him first at 6.1 so I doubt that very much. Car will cut bait and he will be a UFA in July.

The QO is not required for club elected arbitration. However, the team would lose walk away rights and choice of term. For those reasons, that outcome is likely, if the two sides can’t come to an agreement prior to the QO deadline.

 

[Habs Icing]

Carolina is tops in the NHL in win %. The Habs are second to last in the same category. And you gave away the draft pick to get Dvorak, who isn’t exactly lighting it up in Montreal.

KK: 13 points in 29 games
Dvorak: 12 points in 27 games

Do you want me to tell you the cap hit of each player?

 

[T_Cage]

Seems a little steep for a 3rd line winger but sure I guess that's true.

I mean, I would be inclined to agree….but on a board where people think rentals like Chariot will get a 1st+, it seems not that steep for a 21yr old 3rd liner with upside

 

[General Fanager]

Carolina is tops in the NHL in win %. The Habs are second to last in the same category. And you gave away the draft pick to get Dvorak, who isn’t exactly lighting it up in Montreal.

Dvorak has better numbers and makes way less and is signed longer and doesn't fall down every second shift. I don't see the down side.