Vamos Rafa
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Carter can only be elite if he's scoring 40 goals. If an elite 1C can't do that, then he better make up for it with his assists but we all know how Carter is not an assist man.
Kopitar; For or Against a trade if it comes to it?
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Carter can only be elite if he's scoring 40 goals. If an elite 1C can't do that, then he better make up for it with his assists but we all know how Carter is not an assist man.
HYORI 1963
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I will disagree. I think you're underestimating Lombardi. Like you've mentioned, the canes won it less than 10 years ago. You and others make it sound like having a 1C is an absolute must in winning the cup, when it isn't.
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Reaper45
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The most likely option is that he's signed and given basically what he wants by Lombardi after Richards and Voynov are situated. Ideally I'd hope he's had preliminary discussions to see what the offers would be for an unsigned Kopitar. I mean, he's going to get less as a potential rental sure, BUT if a team thinks he's the piece to put them over the top and they have assets to spare, they'll make the trade. See Johnson and a 1st for Carter. There are always deals that people will say no way he's worth that and then boom, a player goes for more than he's worth. See Erat and Latta for Forsberg. I don't know if they'd do it, but would there be any interest by both teams of a UFA Kopitar for a UFA Stamkos? +- on both sides to even it out?
tsanuri
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Since it has been reported he doesn't want to negotiate during the season DL can't wait for those to be taken care of. We have no idea when either one will be.
Can hope they are both handled before the start of the season but I wouldn't bet on it.
kingsfan
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This. And this is why the blank cheque statements come out. It's all well and good to not want to over pay a player or to not want to give him to many years on his deal, but if Kopitar draws a line in the sand over term/dollar/or both then LA needs to decide if they are willing to bite the bullet and give him what he wants or to start retooling.
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Eric Staal ring a bell? 100 points that year, 2nd was Stillman with 76. 28 in 25 games in the playoffs. Having a 1C is an absolute must in winning a cup in this era in particular.
I don't disagree that other players played huge roles, but let's not minimize what Kopitar did either. If he's gone, Carter is #1, and who is #2? That's not a contender, unless Doughty finds yet another gear and/or Quick finds out how to keep up the .946 or .951 thru 2 rounds in 2013 level. AKA not likely, and we may as well start moving players for picks for the rebuild lest we end up like teh Canucks in limbo.
I'm not saying throw the bank at Kopitar, but it's reality, if we don't pay him and he leaves, our window is closed. As much as I hate it, I would rather give him everything he wants for this one last shot, and DL has indicated thru the Lucic move that this is an all-in year. After this, things become much less likely, as other teams have closed the gap and our players are aging out of their primes while younger teams are coming into theirs. We may still will some things out, and I have faith in this group, but Kopitar leaving is not an option. If we're not paying him because cap, well, then you move Gaborik and other long-term contracts that are hurting. Easier to replenish wingers in our system than a 1C. Our drafting and development is still outstanding but our chances of producing top-sixers with less than first round picks is a lot less likely.
In other words, there isn't really a perfect scenario unless Kopi accepts an unlikely discount. You either pay him and take a last stab at it, or you don't and start breaking down the tent.
I think Carter in a 1C role could do it again. But I think he's outmatched by other 1Cs that are absolute contenders in the long term. And I don't mean that as a slight.
Kopi can't be replaced if he is traded/let go. Period. He's going to get a contract. If it shaves a year off our window, so be it. It's better than trading him and have the window disappear.
And a "couple million" apart in negotiations isn't squat. Agents aren't stupid, they don't stick their fingers in their ears when they hear things, they listen. They are all aware of the CDN. Pat Brisson has an excellent relationship with the Kings. His best friend is Luc, and he will go in with both ears and eyes open. He'll get Kopi what is fair, and the Kings will pay him what is fair.
I am not worried about it in the slightest. If Kopi was with Newport, I would worry a heck of a lot more.
And a "couple million" apart in negotiations isn't squat. Agents aren't stupid, they don't stick their fingers in their ears when they hear things, they listen. They are all aware of the CDN. Pat Brisson has an excellent relationship with the Kings. His best friend is Luc, and he will go in with both ears and eyes open. He'll get Kopi what is fair, and the Kings will pay him what is fair.
I am not worried about it in the slightest. If Kopi was with Newport, I would worry a heck of a lot more.
HYORI 1963
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Remember when we got Carter and everyone thought he and Richards would be a great linemates for many years to come? Remember when people didn't want Carter moving to 2C? Where are those people now? Believe me, if Carter has to be a 1C, he'll make a GREAT 1C! He just hasn't had the opportunity to be one is all.
I think the big difference in your thinking and mine is that I have a lot more faith in Lombardi than you do. I honestly don't see Lombardi hitting the panic button, just because Kopi moves on. If anything, it'll light a fire under Lombardi, and he'll put together another stanley cup team, before you know it.
Btw, IF Kopi were to get moved, it's a lose/lose situation for both kings and Kopi. No one ever mentions how lucky Kopi has been to be on a great team that plays puck possession hockey. Maybe a change of scenery, he'll realized how good he had it in LA.
I am one of the people who thought Richards and Carter would be good linmates for years to come. But I never was against Carter playing centre.
I liked the fact that at the time in my eyes I thought we have 3 legitimate centres in Richards Carter and kopitar who could fill in in case of injury. Plus Stoll whom at the time would have been a #2 on most other clubs.
When Richards could play our centre depth was amazing.
Herby
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I love Carter, but he is no Toews or Getzlaf.
Carter just can't compare to Kopitar. Literally the only thing JC does better than Kopi is score goals. Kopitar is better offensively, defensively, on special teams and in the circle.
And the people who didn't want to move Carter to center were out of their mind or oblivious as to what was going on with the team.
Carter just can't compare to Kopitar. Literally the only thing JC does better than Kopi is score goals. Kopitar is better offensively, defensively, on special teams and in the circle.
And the people who didn't want to move Carter to center were out of their mind or oblivious as to what was going on with the team.
Choralone
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Right. Just give Kopi a blank check. Gotcha.
I voted for option 2 (pay the man), but the question is obviously a little leading. Kopitar is not going to ask for a blank check, or 15 million - he's asking for Toews money in a worst-case scenario for the Kings. Pay it. There are other contracts we can move that wouldn't gut the team. Moving Kopitar would gut the team.
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I completely forgot Staal was on that team. That was his big breakout season. 100 point season by 21 years old. It's hard to believe that 2003 draft class is already in their 30s.
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made me wet.
I miss the days when it looked like him and brown were going to be linemates forever
tsanuri
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Talk about a low ball and what I would call insulting deal.
Basically Getz/Perry money on a deal that isn't max term and starts 3 years after theirs.
Any hopes of that cap hit are going to be max term.
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Pittsburgh isn't winning another Cup with those two taking up 25% of their cap. Furthermore, Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Scuderi, and Fleury take up 48% of their cap. Rubbish. Couple that with them having one of the more disaster GMs in the business, and yeah, no more Cups.
