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Kopitar; For or Against a trade if it comes to it?

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Option whiskey tango 9er on two on two FREEBIRD!

Leave it to DL and co to determine what needs to be done and let it go.

Option naked women throwing little pickles at you.

Become a sun god standing on top of a pyramid and will Kopitar to sign a team friendly contract.
 
HYORI 1963 said:
How's option 2 winning??? So, if Kopi wants 15M x 8, DL should sign him for that amount/term??

Yeesh!!!

It's one thing to like/love a player, but let's think with our heads, and not with our hearts, shall we???
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top 3 centres in the league cannot be replaced. That's how.
Edit: i voted Submarine though
 
417th said:
Option whiskey tango 9er on two on two FREEBIRD!

Leave it to DL and co to determine what needs to be done and let it go.

Option naked women throwing little pickles at you.

Become a sun god standing on top of a pyramid and will Kopitar to sign a team friendly contract.
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Please be whiskey.
 
I don't think anyone wants Kopi traded. However, if DL feels what Kopi's asking is unreasonable, then I'm ok with Lombardi making the trade. I prefer Lombardi run this team, not Kopi and his agent.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
I go with Option Rob Blake Him, just so that we can relive that entertaining 2000-2001 season all over again.

Low ball Kopitar and threaten to trade him if he doesn't come to terms, have Kopitar rip his 'A' off during the pre-season and get talked to taking it back by his coaches/teammates, get within a million or so dollars to Kopitar's asking price, then trade him while the team is still fighting to secure a playoff spot and see him win the Cup while the Kings get a collection of (poor) first draft picks and injured players that will end up setting the team behind for many years.
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This is really not true. The Kings were out of a playoff spot and falling fast before that trade. The Kings finished the year 13-2-7 after the trade, beat the Wings in the first round and came within a Smolinski goal post in game 7 of likely beating the Avs.

Can't predict injuries, Deadmarsh had 13 goals in 23 games the year he got hurt and looked like he had turned the corner into being a dominant power forward. Taylor crapped the bed taking Aulin and blowing the two picks, but no one would call it a bad trade if the Kings had chosen Vrbata from the prospects and drafted say Cammalleri and Perry. Or if Deadmarsh had stayed healthy.

And the situations really aren't comparable. Blake was extremely injury prone and had achieved basically nothing since being named captain of the team (not all his fault), Kopitar has won 2 Stanley Cups and been a major force in the playoffs. Trading Blake was going in a new direction after a failed post Gretzky era. Trading Kopitar would be putting an end to the most successful era in Kings history before it has to end. The trading of Kopitar would signal the beginning of a massive rebuild with a cupboard that is pretty bare. And goodluck getting a true championship caliber 1C (Carter isn't it). It took the Kings a decade to draft Kopitar after Gretzky was traded.
 
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I would be okay with trading Kopitar if it's best for the team.

I just can't imagine too many likely/possible scenarios when that would be the case.
 
YP44 said:
top 3 centres in the league cannot be replaced. That's how.
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I stongly support this opinion.
Sadly the Kings don't have a top 3 center and the coach turns 2nd line center into 3rd liners.

I don't see any win here with giving Kopitar the money they would pay for a real 1st liner.
 
Kurrilino said:
I stongly support this opinion.
Sadly the Kings don't have a top 3 center and the coach turns 2nd line center into 3rd liners.

I don't see any win here with giving Kopitar the money they would pay for a real 1st liner.
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Post of the year!

I wasn't even gonna look at this thread until I happened to see that Kurrilino posted. Then I just couldn't look away. Just when I needed a little pick me up and a good chuckle, Kurrilino came through.
 
King'sPawn said:
I would be okay with trading Kopitar if it's best for the team.

I just can't imagine too many likely/possible scenarios when that would be the case.
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This is it. Right here.

The way that Lombardi has chosen to build the team is focused on winning the Cup within the next 3-4 seasons then falling directly into the black hole until the contracts of Quick, Brown, Gaborik and Carter can be moved or they expire. With that in mind, moving Kopitar for anything less than an equivalent or better Center makes almost no sense and would require a near immediate re-build. Trading Kopitar must be accompanied with trading Brown, Carter, Gaborik and Quick.

The core would be re-focused around Doughty, Muzzin, Toffoli and Pearson.

I just can't see Lombardi doing something like this.
 
Lombardi won't let him walk. You can't let him walk, and you won't get equal value in a deal for a soon to be UFA. With the guys other than Kopitar that are set to be UFA's next summer, with my math, it's $7,525,000 off the cap. Somewhere in there is Kopitar's raise. Might have more to work with if Voynov is gone. Either way, they'll probably have to fill out the roster next year with one or two more cheap young guys than they usually do.
 
HYORI 1963 said:
:laugh:

Why??? There's no logic to your statement.
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Because you can't win a Stanley Cup without an elite 1C.

Sure if Kopitar leaves the Kings may be a fringe playoff team for a couple of years, but why bother?

If you move Kopitar you might as well move anyone over 28 and start the rebuild now.
 
HYORI 1963 said:
:laugh:

Why??? There's no logic to your statement.
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Trading Kopitar effectively closes the window on this core. When was the last time a team without an elite Center on the roster won the Cup? 2006 Carolina Hurricanes.

Again moving Kopitar for anything less than an equivalent or better Center makes almost no sense and would require a near immediate re-build. You don't win the Cup with Carter as your #1 C and a prospect as your #2.
 
Bandit said:
Sure, trade Kopitar. Then also trade Doughty, Quick, Carter and Lucic, because the rebuild is on.
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Don't you know how many first and second round picks we could get for those guys?!?

HYORI 1963 said:
:laugh:

Why??? There's no logic to your statement.
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There totally is.

Trading Kopitar means the rebuild is on. We're not competing without him, because we're not replacing him.

No point in having a bunch of guys entering their 30s that have no shot at a cup. Trade em while they have value.
 
Herby said:
Because you can't win a Stanley Cup without an elite 1C.

Sure if Kopitar leaves the Kings may be a fringe playoff team for a couple of years, but why bother?

If you move Kopitar you might as well move anyone over 28 and start the rebuild now.
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If people want us to be the next St. Louis Blues, moving Kopitar is a great way to get there.
 
Herby said:
Because you can't win a Stanley Cup without an elite 1C.

Sure if Kopitar leaves the Kings may be a fringe playoff team for a couple of years, but why bother?

If you move Kopitar you might as well move anyone over 28 and start the rebuild now.
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Why can't Carter be an elite 1C?

Like I've previously posted, there's no need to hit the panic button, even if we were to lose Kopi, which I don't see happening.
 
Brad Doty said:
There totally is.

Trading Kopitar means the rebuild is on. We're not competing without him, because we're not replacing him.

No point in having a bunch of guys entering their 30s that have no shot at a cup. Trade em while they have value.
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And I'll disagree. Yeah, Kopi's a very important piece to us winning the cup, but the last time I've looked, guys named Quick and Williams won the Conn Smythe in our cup winning years.

Heck, Doughty's a lot more important to us winning than Kopi is.
 
HYORI 1963 said:
And I'll disagree. Yeah, Kopi's a very important piece to us winning the cup, but the last time I've looked, guys named Quick and Williams won the Conn Smythe in our cup winning years.
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Williams scored some very timely goals. And Quick had one of the best playoff performances in goal. But in both years Kopitar was a point per game player and lead the team in scoring both those years in the playoffs. So he could have easily won in either year.
 
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