Kitchener Rangers 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

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Matttheleaf

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I think Parsons will play both with the off day.
I am leaning the same way. He has clearly proved himself as the starter and one of the best goalies in the league. I always worry about overworking goalies, but at the junior level the best goalies seemed to be played a lot more than they do in pro leagues now a days.
 
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If I were the Rangers I would try to trade Martin. His injury hurts his value but see if you can make a condition of if he plays in X amount of games the pick is a round earlier.

I want the Rangers to play playoff hockey. Win those close and lower scoring games. Yes losing Martin would hurt but having arguably the best defence in the league would make up for it.

Brzustewicz - Andonovski
Motew -Reid
Schmidt - Hamara
X - Campbell

Having Campbell as a healthy scratch is not ideal but with those defencemen they would be really tough to play against. I can’t see Kitchener going up many goals with that D squad and with their goaltending.

I would then let all the chips fall at the deadline and try to sneak a trade in at the last minute. Just go for some depth player who will play a bottom six role on the cheap side. No one special or anything like that, just some depth that shows the team that they are still buyers and that they have faith in their team already.
I’m not a big fan of moving Martin for peanuts. I understand the market (Lockhart trade). But I’m all for hanging onto our high end OA’s, and today that’s Martin and Sop (both on 40 goal pace) and likely Schmidt, until closer to the deadline and see what happens. Especially if all we can expect is a return in the Lockhart neighbourhood.

But Martin’s injury throws a wrench into things. Until we get a read on the severity of the injury and time missed, it’ll be tough to move him at all. Maybe a Martin deal involves conditions on games played. If we get the Lockhart return, and Martin plays and the team goes deep, the 3rd, 5th changes to a 2nd, 4th or something like that.

If we don’t go into full sell mode, then I assume we’ll be keeping our best three OA’s. For me, that has to be a healthy Martin, Sop, and likely Schmidt. As much as I’d love a defence with both Schmidt and Motew, we’d have a hard time replacing the offensive output that a Martin or Sop brings, and the grit game that Martin displayed last post season.

Now if we are offered more than expected for one of the OA’s, it would be hard to turn down since we need the picks. The market today is what it is for OA’s, but if someone offered a Xhekaj type return for, say, Sop (40 goal, 110 point pace. Great 200 foot game. PK. Faceoffs, etc), I’d pulled the trigger. Truth be told, he’d be a major OA upgrade on just about every team in the league. It wouldn’t be a stretch that a team throws a good package our way for him.

Also, with both Motew and Schmidt on the backend, that means one of Reid or Campbell sits. I’m not a fan of that but it is what it is. I’d be good with Scott as the 7th D. I liked his game when he’s had a chance to play.

If Martin is your odd man out, what are your forward lines?
 

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Don't post much, but, do keep tabs here as it's probably the most informative and insightful Rangers board online. It's been kind of mind-blowing watching this thread this year. I'm happy that the mood is mostly starting to shift to "don't/can't [fully] sell". I get that everyone wants " sustained success™ ", but sometimes you have to accept what's right in front of you.

This unexpected team is scoring nearly 5 goals a game, and letting in less than 3. They've practically got their "deadline additions" in the form of returning players. Other teams would have to spend half their cupboards to get a player like Mesar [I know the import hurts his trade value, but, if he wasn't] and a couple more pieces for a big experienced body like Schmidt. They have a starting goalie that came up huge in the playoffs two years ago as a rookie and looks the part this year (3rd in GAA, T4 in SV%) . A capable backup too.

You can have all the draft picks but you need them to actually come to the team and/or be as advertised when they do. Alternatively you can use all the draft picks to try and 'buy' a championship and get swept in the first round as demonstrated last year by Windsor, spending 17 picks and 4 players to lose immediately.

Who knows what stage the organization will be at in 3-4 years. Kitchener could easily lose Ahokas in that time if his teams keep 'overachieving'. Goalies are essentially unpredictable. They could have a team as talented as last years but as disjointed and seemingly disinterested in playing with each other. If the wheels come off by the deadline, and the team starts playing like they were projected to, sure, get assets for the future, rebuild from the ground up. But this team is playing better than I've seen them play in the past decade, and I just can't wrap my head around punting about as good of a chance you can have in this league, to hope that all the pieces fall in all the right places 3-4 years from now.

Hopefully this year becomes what last year was supposed to be. Let's Go Rangers!
 

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Don't post much, but, do keep tabs here as it's probably the most informative and insightful Rangers board online. It's been kind of mind-blowing watching this thread this year. I'm happy that the mood is mostly starting to shift to "don't/can't [fully] sell". I get that everyone wants " sustained success™ ", but sometimes you have to accept what's right in front of you.

This unexpected team is scoring nearly 5 goals a game, and letting in less than 3. They've practically got their "deadline additions" in the form of returning players. Other teams would have to spend half their cupboards to get a player like Mesar [I know the import hurts his trade value, but, if he wasn't] and a couple more pieces for a big experienced body like Schmidt. They have a starting goalie that came up huge in the playoffs two years ago as a rookie and looks the part this year (3rd in GAA, T4 in SV%) . A capable backup too.

You can have all the draft picks but you need them to actually come to the team and/or be as advertised when they do. Alternatively you can use all the draft picks to try and 'buy' a championship and get swept in the first round as demonstrated last year by Windsor, spending 17 picks and 4 players to lose immediately.

Who knows what stage the organization will be at in 3-4 years. Kitchener could easily lose Ahokas in that time if his teams keep 'overachieving'. Goalies are essentially unpredictable. They could have a team as talented as last years but as disjointed and seemingly disinterested in playing with each other. If the wheels come off by the deadline, and the team starts playing like they were projected to, sure, get assets for the future, rebuild from the ground up. But this team is playing better than I've seen them play in the past decade, and I just can't wrap my head around punting about as good of a chance you can have in this league, to hope that all the pieces fall in all the right places 3-4 years from now.

Hopefully this year becomes what last year was supposed to be. Let's Go Rangers!
I think the strategy is obvious. Keep doing what we have been doing and see what the other teams pull off before the trade deadline. This week has certainly been a "test week". We go into London and convincingly beat them. We go into Colby Barlow's Owen Sound and shut them out. Now we have Peterborough with 2 losses all year and SSM; both leading their divisions. If we beat them both, I think it is clear that Kitchener is the team that the others need to target. If one of those teams buys their way into contention, then we need to assess at that point, January, whether we are going for it or not.

As for the OA situation, I think it is a wait and see with Martin. If he is out for the long haul, it makes things easy. If not, I would lean with trading Schmidt as not only would he give us the best return, but it would give Motew a bigger role. Don't forget he shone in the playoffs last year to the point where the Knights were targeting him.

I would be okay with keeping both Motew and Schimidt should Martin be out for the rest of the year, if we had a reasonable shot. Maybe MM can pull a "2 parter" to acquire someone that would "keep up with the Jones and we could recoup some decent picks with Rake next year. Our base of Romana, Reid, Stark, Lam and MacNeil are looking good.

It is a long time before January, and anything can happen. The next few games should be a good indicator.
 

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I am leaning the same way. He has clearly proved himself as the starter and one of the best goalies in the league. I always worry about overworking goalies, but at the junior level the best goalies seemed to be played a lot more than they do in pro leagues now a days.
I think as long as they stay away from back to backs it's all good.

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I think the strategy is obvious. Keep doing what we have been doing and see what the other teams pull off before the trade deadline. This week has certainly been a "test week". We go into London and convincingly beat them. We go into Colby Barlow's Owen Sound and shut them out. Now we have Peterborough with 2 losses all year and SSM; both leading their divisions. If we beat them both, I think it is clear that Kitchener is the team that the others need to target. If one of those teams buys their way into contention, then we need to assess at that point, January, whether we are going for it or not.

As for the OA situation, I think it is a wait and see with Martin. If he is out for the long haul, it makes things easy. If not, I would lean with trading Schmidt as not only would he give us the best return, but it would give Motew a bigger role. Don't forget he shone in the playoffs last year to the point where the Knights were targeting him.

I would be okay with keeping both Motew and Schimidt should Martin be out for the rest of the year, if we had a reasonable shot. Maybe MM can pull a "2 parter" to acquire someone that would "keep up with the Jones and we could recoup some decent picks with Rake next year. Our base of Romana, Reid, Stark, Lam and MacNeil are looking good.

It is a long time before January, and anything can happen. The next few games should be a good indicator.
I'm pretty unsure about the healing time for a broken pelvis. If they have to get down to 3 OAs in November that has to play into the equation. Seems to me that's a rare sports injury.
 
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I think as long as they stay away from back to backs it's all good.


I'm pretty unsure about the healing time for a broken pelvis. If they have to get down to 3 OAs in November that has to play into the equation. Seems to me that's a rare sports injury.
Man a broken pelvis is fairly serious injury. How did it happen? If it was in the game against the Knights they were nailing a lot of Ranger players from behind.
 
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I think as long as they stay away from back to backs it's all good.


I'm pretty unsure about the healing time for a broken pelvis. If they have to get down to 3 OAs in November that has to play into the equation. Seems to me that's a rare sports injury.
I would imagine a broken bone is a broken bone. Usually 6 weeks. But the pelvis? Another couple weeks for conditioning?
 
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Stars have a pretty close working relationship with the ECHL team. They've had a few players spend their 20 year old season in Idaho when they were eligible for an overage season (Antonio Stranges and Remi Poirier last season for instance).

I wouldn't count on him being returned.
Tucker Robertson is playing in the ECHL after not making the AHL. There still is a chance he will be returned to the Petes.
 
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My prediction with Arcuri being sent to the ECHL and having a year of OHL eligibility left is he'll be back in the OHL. He may not be with the Rangers for very long as they already have an OA problem but i don't see a world where the ECHL is a better league for his development. Calling it now, he'll be back. Then what will the Rangers do?

My Hope.

Trade: Bru, Schmidt, Arcuri. Recoup a lot of assets.

Roll out:

Mesar, Rehkopf, Martin ( When healthy)
Missle, Sop,Swick
Lam,Romano,Ellinas,
Stark,Mercer, Pugliese
EX:Morey/Bottineau

Reid/Motew
Ando/Hamara
Scott/Campbell

I think the team above is formidable/ gains valuable playing/playoff experience for all our young guys and still recoups our cupboard with picks.
I am not sure if the Kitchener Rangers still own his rights with the Rangers having four overagers already on their roster. Today is the deadline for teams to get down to four overages so they would have had to release him. This is why I think the Petes traded Connor Lockhart when they did because they wanted to be able to keep the rights to Tucker Robertson who may still return to Peterborough.
 
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Not into the jersey's. Rememberance day is about WWI and the futility of war. Having researched it as a hobbyist and in school, it is no surprise why it is so widely forgotten here and in the US. Nothing was gained, much was lost, outside of individual man's bravery and courage in many situations, there isn't a whole lot to be proud of and there is a whole lot to be the opposite of proud about (more so from our allies than our soldiers).
 

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Watching on tv. Between the grey Ranger sweaters and the Petes dull maroon, looks like the game is being televised in black and white.
 
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