Kitchener Rangers 2022-23 Season Thread

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If there is really such a thing as building through the draft a GM better make sure he doesn't screw up on both his first and 2nd draft picks. I believe the GM has the final say in the first pick. These are the usually the top players in the draft. Spot did this more than once and the powers that be recently have done this also. Either underachieving picks or no shows. It effects the success of the team going forward. In saying this it's still a crap shoot when trying to judge whether a young 15–16-year-old player will pan out three years later. Two of the Rangers biggest successes recently were undrafted Yantis and Jack Eye(sp).
I know you don't like the pick, but I'm fine with the Hage pick. IMO it was a strategic pick, you get one of the best players or you get 2 first rounders at the beginning of your next cycle. Perfectly fine asset management imo (not to mention Hage is injured now, hindsight I know). Now the question is, will he actually do well with those 2 picks and will they develop well here.

The Longacre pick is a whiff at the moment (however we've had this same discussion re: Vukojevic and Schmidt when they weren't reporting), one that MM said he got a commitment from but then the players family changed their mind (not sure I'd come out publicly and say that if I still want the kid, who is fighting for ice as the youngest of a 9 player group of returning 18-19 year olds in Sioux City, to report). I do wonder if past successes in later-reporting (Vuk, Schmidt) has MM a bit over-confident in some of his early round gambles, and Longacre could be a pick that bites him.

Going forward they need to be more selective or have some kind of strategy for taking flyers. If you're going to get a defected player to defer your 1st to the next year, you shouldn't be rolling the dice on a 60% OHL-committed player with your 2nd pick, and you probably shouldn't be using many mid rounders on flyers.
 

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I know you don't like the pick, but I'm fine with the Hage pick. IMO it was a strategic pick, you get one of the best players or you get 2 first rounders at the beginning of your next cycle. Perfectly fine asset management imo (not to mention Hage is injured now, hindsight I know). Now the question is, will he actually do well with those 2 picks and will they develop well here.

The Longacre pick is a whiff at the moment (however we've had this same discussion re: Vukojevic and Schmidt when they weren't reporting), one that MM said he got a commitment from but then the players family changed their mind (not sure I'd come out publicly and say that if I still want the kid, who is fighting for ice as the youngest of a 9 player group of returning 18-19 year olds in Sioux City, to report). I do wonder if past successes in later-reporting (Vuk, Schmidt) has MM a bit over-confident in some of his early round gambles, and Longacre could be a pick that bites him.

Going forward they need to be more selective or have some kind of strategy for taking flyers. If you're going to get a defected player to defer your 1st to the next year, you shouldn't be rolling the dice on a 60% OHL-committed player with your 2nd pick, and you probably shouldn't be using many mid rounders on flyers.
When MM got to pick Hage I couldn't believe he was available. I was excited especially when I watched the rookie camp and saw the skill level of this player. Personally, I thought he would show after being in camp. I just wondered if MM thought if he didn't grab him the Knights would have when their turn came up. When the league started giving a second 1st round pick for defected players it almost didn't seem fair to teams that just took players they knew would show up in camp. Having 2 or 3 teams with players considered defected takes up a percentage of the first round. Therefore, pushing teams picks further down the draft list. In this case the Rangers are a team benefitting. It has been mentioned many times in the past that the top ten players are the most skilled, so it does have an impact. I agree about taking flyers in later rounds. Little safer.
 

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Even when Mesar is on our team we still have to wait...

"Update on Montreal Canadiens first rounder Filip Mesar - he's still sorting out IIHF transfer issues and not expected in the Kitchener Rangers lineup until next Friday, Oct 21st against the Sudbury Wolves"

 

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Even when Mesar is on our team we still have to wait...

"Update on Montreal Canadiens first rounder Filip Mesar - he's still sorting out IIHF transfer issues and not expected in the Kitchener Rangers lineup until next Friday, Oct 21st against the Sudbury Wolves"


🙄

You would think that these hoops would’ve already been jumped through in order to play NHL and AHL X games.
 
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I know you don't like the pick, but I'm fine with the Hage pick. IMO it was a strategic pick, you get one of the best players or you get 2 first rounders at the beginning of your next cycle. Perfectly fine asset management imo (not to mention Hage is injured now, hindsight I know). Now the question is, will he actually do well with those 2 picks and will they develop well here.

The Longacre pick is a whiff at the moment (however we've had this same discussion re: Vukojevic and Schmidt when they weren't reporting), one that MM said he got a commitment from but then the players family changed their mind (not sure I'd come out publicly and say that if I still want the kid, who is fighting for ice as the youngest of a 9 player group of returning 18-19 year olds in Sioux City, to report). I do wonder if past successes in later-reporting (Vuk, Schmidt) has MM a bit over-confident in some of his early round gambles, and Longacre could be a pick that bites him.

Going forward they need to be more selective or have some kind of strategy for taking flyers. If you're going to get a defected player to defer your 1st to the next year, you shouldn't be rolling the dice on a 60% OHL-committed player with your 2nd pick, and you probably shouldn't be using many mid rounders on flyers.
I'm okay with Longacre not being here at the moment. Adding a 16 year old to the mix on the blue line is exactly what this team doesn't need right now. That said I'll be extremely disappointed if he doesn't show up in the future. You can't afford no shows with second or 3rd round picks.
 

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I'm okay with Longacre not being here at the moment. Adding a 16 year old to the mix on the blue line is exactly what this team doesn't need right now. That said I'll be extremely disappointed if he doesn't show up in the future. You can't afford no shows with second or 3rd round picks.

.....especially when your team already has the lowest number of 1st and 2nd rounders on your roster in the league.
 
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.....especially when your team already has the lowest number of 1st and 2nd rounders on your roster in the league.
And we better hit on both first rounders next season and plan to compete accordingly. Not just that they both report; they better be high end players.
 

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And we better hit on both first rounders next season and plan to compete accordingly. Not just that they both report; they better be high end players.
That shouldn’t be a problem if this season doesn’t shape up. We’ll have to two picks in the top 11!
 

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I know you don't like the pick, but I'm fine with the Hage pick. IMO it was a strategic pick, you get one of the best players or you get 2 first rounders at the beginning of your next cycle. Perfectly fine asset management imo (not to mention Hage is injured now, hindsight I know). Now the question is, will he actually do well with those 2 picks and will they develop well here.

The Longacre pick is a whiff at the moment (however we've had this same discussion re: Vukojevic and Schmidt when they weren't reporting), one that MM said he got a commitment from but then the players family changed their mind (not sure I'd come out publicly and say that if I still want the kid, who is fighting for ice as the youngest of a 9 player group of returning 18-19 year olds in Sioux City, to report). I do wonder if past successes in later-reporting (Vuk, Schmidt) has MM a bit over-confident in some of his early round gambles, and Longacre could be a pick that bites him.

Going forward they need to be more selective or have some kind of strategy for taking flyers. If you're going to get a defected player to defer your 1st to the next year, you shouldn't be rolling the dice on a 60% OHL-committed player with your 2nd pick, and you probably shouldn't be using many mid rounders on flyers.
I agree with your views on the Hage pick. At the draft, MM was likely faced with the scenario of selecting Hage and hope he comes this year. A player of that talent would help us this year as a 16 year old even though we are in a contending year. He would have strengthened the bottom six. The other option was to pass on Hage and take the next best centre available.

So for arguments sake, we’ll look at the next two C’s who were chosen.
Cole Beaudoin and Ben Cormier. MM likely weighed the possibility of one of these two guys contributing to this year‘s team versus the value of getting the comp pick for next year.

Having one of these guys sit in the press box or languish with minimal minutes as a 16-year-old probably wouldn’t have helped our team this year at all. So, worst case scenario, take Hage, and if he doesn’t sign, they declare him defected and get the second first round pick next year.

But I’m still not ruling out that they’ve cooked up a deal with Sudbury where he returns to Kitchener next October. It would be 100% within the rules. It would align with the Hage camp saying he wants to play in the OHL at 17 years old. It also makes sense to do such a deal from a Sudbury point of view because you would be gifting Sudbury assets next October for virtually not giving up anything except being a placeholder for Hage.

An example of an October 2023 deal could be Hage back to Kitchener for 2x2nds, 2x3rds, 2x4ths. Maybe throw in a body. In other words, Sudbury gains assets for merely hanging onto Hage’s rights. Better to gift assets to a team in the other conference instead of helping strengthen a team in the west. Also, they trade him to a team that would possibly be a team least likely he’d want to report to.

In my opinion, the absolute worst way this could turn out, is if Hage reports to the OHL next year. That means we would’ve received peanuts for him in comparison to other players of his talent who were deemed defected.

As far as Longacre goes, if he is that far down the depth chart in Sioux City, unless he has NCAA aspirations, it would make a whole lot more sense reporting to Kitchener and being low on our depth chart as he would be playing games and practising at this level - a decidedly better level of hockey than the USHL. With the likelihood of injuries over the course of the season, he’d still likely play 40+ games at this level as a 16-year-old.
 
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Except for the first 10 minutes, that was a team out there that looked like they were playing for their jobs. Not wanting to be the odd man out once we have a healthy lineup.

Hell of a game by Serpa. Maybe he’s been reading these boards suggesting he be upgraded on as an OA.
 
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Provided Pinelli and Sop are healthy for Friday night, I’d throw those two with Mesar and see what happens.

Otherwise, I’d leave the lines from today intact. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Sop. Pinelli. Mesar.
Martin. Serpa. Valade.
Zidlicky. Rehkopf. Miseljevic.
Fishman. Morey. Pugliese.
 
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I think that three games in 2-1/2 days took a toll on Flint. They appeared to be physically and mentally gassed.
Having said that, getting the first "W" is what this team needed. Among others, I thought Hunter Brzustewicz had a particularly strong game.
 

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Much better effort today. You could see Flint run out of energy in the second period, playing their third game in 2.5 days. But good on Kitchener for taking advantage of that. Today they were moving their legs, supporting the puck and doing a bit better job of getting to the net as witnessed on the opening goal. It’s about working hard and smart. Today was smarter.

With a healthy lineup, it’ll be interesting what they do. I know Mesar sees himself as a C and was better in Habs camp at C than on the wing. I’m certain MTL provided some input to McKenzie about what they’d like to see.
 

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Much better effort today. You could see Flint run out of energy in the second period, playing their third game in 2.5 days. But good on Kitchener for taking advantage of that. Today they were moving their legs, supporting the puck and doing a bit better job of getting to the net as witnessed on the opening goal. It’s about working hard and smart. Today was smarter.

With a healthy lineup, it’ll be interesting what they do. I know Mesar sees himself as a C and was better in Habs camp at C than on the wing. I’m certain MTL provided some input to McKenzie about what they’d like to see.
Is there any chance Pinelli ends up on Mesar's wing?
 

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Is there any chance Pinelli ends up on Mesar's wing?
I think it's possible and there will be some experimentation. Part will depend on who is more defensively responsible. Pinelli is still a work in progress and I imagine Mesar will be too. Serpa isn't exactly owning the dot either, so they have options to move to the wing.

Someone might not be thrilled with it, but the bottom line is any combo should make the team more potent. All I know is that if Mesar ends up on the wing, it's fair to say MTL likely was okay with that. Which I doubt.
 
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I think it's possible and there will be some experimentation. Part will depend on who is more defensively responsible. Pinelli is still a work in progress and I imagine Mesar will be too. Serpa isn't exactly owning the dot either, so they have options to move to the wing.

Someone might not be thrilled with it, but the bottom line is any combo should make the team more potent. All I know is that if Mesar ends up on the wing, it's fair to say MTL likely was okay with that. Which I doubt.
And LA has expectations for Pinelli as well. So MM will have to contend with the wishes of both Montreal and the Kings.
 

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Much better effort today. You could see Flint run out of energy in the second period, playing their third game in 2.5 days. But good on Kitchener for taking advantage of that. Today they were moving their legs, supporting the puck and doing a bit better job of getting to the net as witnessed on the opening goal. It’s about working hard and smart. Today was smarter.

With a healthy lineup, it’ll be interesting what they do. I know Mesar sees himself as a C and was better in Habs camp at C than on the wing. I’m certain MTL provided some input to McKenzie about what they’d like to see.
Yes it was obvious Flint was losing steam when their forecheck disappeared and they let Rangers set up in their zone at will. Just the same, Rangers had the opportunity to work their systems without a lot of pushback...and...without Pinelli and Mesar. Their win was the result of hard work and smarter play. For those on the team that weren't buying into CD's systems, hopefully this showed them that they work. Now mind you, CD said that they concentrated on team defense but the offense came...finally.
 
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Provided Pinelli and Sop are healthy for Friday night, I’d throw those two with Mesar and see what happens.

Otherwise, I’d leave the lines from today intact. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Sop. Pinelli. Mesar.
Martin. Serpa. Valade.
Zidlicky. Rehkopf. Miseljevic.
Fishman. Morey. Pugliese.

4th line of Pug, Morey, and Mislejevic would be great to see. Not sure about Fishman yet.

3rd line of Sop Zidlicky Swick.

2nd line. Any chance of playing Martin between Serpa and Valade?

And if experimentation (or should I say when?) takes place, I'd still like to see a Rehkopf, Mesar, Pinelli line instead of spreading them done three lines. A power line like this could be very productive.

On both of Rehkopf's PP goals, he was assisted by Hamara and Brzustewicz. Nice to see two D back there who can wheel and shoot.
 
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I think it's possible and there will be some experimentation. Part will depend on who is more defensively responsible. Pinelli is still a work in progress and I imagine Mesar will be too. Serpa isn't exactly owning the dot either, so they have options to move to the wing.

Someone might not be thrilled with it, but the bottom line is any combo should make the team more potent. All I know is that if Mesar ends up on the wing, it's fair to say MTL likely was okay with that. Which I doubt.
I suggested trying this earlier to load up a top line. I haven't been thrilled with Pinelli's overall progress from last season to this one. He was surprisingly effective as a rookie (albeit a very high scoring partial season league wide) on the LW slot. Part of me wonders if the responsibilities at center have been spreading his game/skill set a bit thin.

Admittedly I closed my eyes during the first intermission and when I opened them they were recapping the game. That said, it's nice to see Rehkopf back on his off-side mid-board slot he had a good deal of success with last season. His hand eye is very good and continues to make him a standing shooting thread, and especially a quick 1-timer threat.
 

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4th line of Pug, Morey, and Mislejevic would be great to see. Not sure about Fishman yet.

3rd line of Sop Zidlicky Swick.

2nd line. Any chance of playing Martin between Serpa and Valade?

And if experimentation (or should I say when?) takes place, I'd still like to see a Rehkopf, Mesar, Pinelli line instead of spreading them done three lines. A power line like this could be very productive.

On both of Rehkopf's PP goals, he was assisted by Hamara and Brzustewicz. Nice to see two D back there who can wheel and shoot.
My point was that going into the next game I leave things as they were yesterday, adding Mesar, Pinell and Sop and mix-and-match them on the top line.

But obviously going forward, there would be some experimentation throughout the lineup. However, to be a top contender this year, I believe we’ll need to have three lines that are a threat to score at any time. That’s where I believe MM isn’t done adding. In 17–18 he brought in multiple bodies over the course of the season. I’d be surprised if he didn’t do the same this year.

Targeting a couple of veteran wingers to round out the top nine I believe makes some sense as long as they can be acquired at a good price while keeping in mind that we have to add to the defence as well.
 
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