Value of: Kirby Dach

[FiveTacos]

You don’t trade players like Dach for picks unless you want a perpetual rebuild ala Buffalo.

Even the smartest team makes mistakes ... But the smart ones are also good at judging when to cut losses to minimize the damage.

 

[crowi]

Wut???

Guy is made of glass and plays just like it too. You may think he carries value, I don't. I guess time will tell?

 

[Baksfamous112]

Even the smartest team makes mistakes ... But the smart ones are also good at judging when to cut losses to minimize the damage.

Please tell me how a 6’4, 23 years old center who’s carrying a 3.3M cap hit on a rebuilding team is damaging the team as you just said.

 

[FiveTacos]

Please tell me how a 6’4, 23 years old center who’s carrying a 3.3M cap hit on a rebuilding team is damaging the team as you just said.

Right now his value is far less than what they gave up for him. The question is, if he continues to not perform, how much lower will his value go? Turning a 1st into a 3rd sucks, but is probably not as damaging as, say, turning that 1st into, well, nothing, because if he continues to play like he is he won't even be worth a qualifying offer.

Of course, you have to weigh what you think his chances are of panning out, and what you think his ceiling is.

 

[ole ole]

You can try tuning in for a game, production isn’t quite as good as we’d want… but he’s still our most dangerous forward on a night to high basis. The points will come

And also question why Anaheim fans arnt trying to pawn him off? You never see duck fans wanting to trade zegras.

Dach is in a new thread every week.

Every week. Jeez i can't seem to find them.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Right now his value is far less than what they gave up for him. The question is, if he continues to not perform, how much lower will his value go? Turning a 1st into a 3rd sucks, but is probably not as damaging as, say, turning that 1st into, well, nothing, because if he continues to play like he is he won't even be worth a qualifying offer.

Of course, you have to weigh what you think his chances are of panning out, and what you think his ceiling is.

Even if he doesn’t pan out, I would rather give him every opportunity to develop his game rather than trade him for a pick that will be 3-5 years away at best and has less than 20% chance of being an NHL, let alone be one that has an impact on a game

 

[SpezDispenser]

I'd happily take a chance in Ottawa. You'd have to take amadio though

 

[FiveTacos]

Even if he doesn’t pan out, I would rather give him every opportunity to develop his game rather than trade him for a pick that will be 3-5 years away at best and has less than 20% chance of being an NHL, let alone be one that has an impact on a game

Entirely reasonable, though a pick can usually be flipped for a pretty decent roster player. It's not worthless.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Montreal doesnt have a 2C prospect or young player so might as well hope for the best with Dach. Its not like he'll ask for a trade cause his spot is snatched. He'll either develop or more likely be a cody glass.

 

[TBF1972]

You can try tuning in for a game, production isn’t quite as good as we’d want… but he’s still our most dangerous forward on a night to high basis. The points will come

And also question why Anaheim fans arnt trying to pawn him off? You never see duck fans wanting to trade zegras.

Dach is in a new thread every week.

am i sniffing drugs?

 

[TBF1972]

Right now his value is far less than what they gave up for him. The question is, if he continues to not perform, how much lower will his value go? Turning a 1st into a 3rd sucks, but is probably not as damaging as, say, turning that 1st into, well, nothing, because if he continues to play like he is he won't even be worth a qualifying offer.

Of course, you have to weigh what you think his chances are of panning out, and what you think his ceiling is.

you really think it's a bad idea to exercise an option which is out of the money?

 

[Oddbob]

A 1st? WHAT?

 

[Barsky]

I'd happily take a chance in Ottawa. You'd have to take amadio though

No thank you, even Amadio is better, not to mention cheaper, hard pass

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Perfect target for Pitt. But no not a first lol

 

[malcb33]

Montreal doesnt have a 2C prospect or young player so might as well hope for the best with Dach. Its not like he'll ask for a trade cause his spot is snatched. He'll either develop or more likely be a cody glass.

He's a few years away still but Michael Hage could be this.

 

[Topcheese31]

No thank you, even Amadio is better, not to mention cheaper, hard pass

Dach as no chance to be trade for Amadio loool not the same quality of player.

Habs fans are crazy, what did they hope ? A PPG season of Dach after is injury and not playing for a whole year ?

Give the guy some time for god sake. He still a 6’4 center with some interresting tool.

Habs will not trade him for less than a 1st and team would not invest a 1st in him because of the risk is injury carry. Stop proposing some bottom 6 player that will never happen

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Dach as no chance to be trade for Amadio loool not the same quality of player.

Habs fans are crazy, what did they hope ? A PPG season of Dach after is injury and not playing for a whole year ?

Give the guy some time for god sake. He still a 6’4 center with some interresting tool.

Habs will not trade him for less than a 1st and team would not invest a 1st in him because of the risk is injury carry. Stop proposing some bottom 6 player that will never happen

A team will not trade a 1st for him because yes he's very injury prone but also has only been an elite offensive scorer twice in his hockey career. And yes one of those seasons he was 14 years old, the other was his draft year. We're also at that point where alot of players drafted in 2019 are approaching bust status, and while Dach can still play in the NHL, his value is wayyyy lower than a first now.

 

[Barsky]

Dach as no chance to be trade for Amadio loool not the same quality of player.

Habs fans are crazy, what did they hope ? A PPG season of Dach after is injury and not playing for a whole year ?

Give the guy some time for god sake. He still a 6’4 center with some interresting tool.

Habs will not trade him for less than a 1st and team would not invest a 1st in him because of the risk is injury carry. Stop proposing some bottom 6 player that will never happen

You're right, no one will trade a first for him and I predict he will get no QO'ed after next season, sign a 1 year, 2 way with some bottom feeder, then the season after retire and find something better to do with his fragile body, other than playing in the NHL

 

[FiveTacos]

you really think it's a bad idea to exercise an option which is out of the money?

If he shows signs of major progress, then sure qualify him or extend him after next season. Hey, if he earns it then good for him and the team.

If he doesn't get better (or only a little bit) then no I would not make him a qualifying offer. Why the hell would you?

 

[Baksfamous112]

If he shows signs of major progress, then sure qualify him or extend him after next season. Hey, if he earns it then good for him and the team.

If he doesn't get better (or only a little bit) then no I would not make him a qualifying offer. Why the hell would you?

Because he’s still a 6’4 Center with good mitts and good vision. Even if he doesn’t pan out he can still be a useful player on a hockey team.

I don’t know why HFboards is always boom or bust. Either you’re a superstar or AHL player caliber. There’s no in between

 

[Fatass]

Because he’s still a 6’4 Center with good mitts and good vision. Even if he doesn’t pan out he can still be a useful player on a hockey team.

I don’t know why HFboards is always boom or bust. Either you’re a superstar or AHL player caliber. There’s no in between

Hate the Habs but there are players on their club I’d like my team. Dach is definitely one of those players. IMO he has runway left to grow into a 2/3 centre on a winning team.

 

[FiveTacos]

Because he’s still a 6’4 Center with good mitts and good vision. Even if he doesn’t pan out he can still be a useful player on a hockey team.

Sure, but I think if he doesn't progress and just is what he is, you can sign him for less. Plenty of guys who aren't living up to their deals end up taking less than their QO because they know they can't get that much on the open market anyway.

I mean what are you gonna do, walk him to UFA status on QOs? Maybe even buy some UFA years in a multi year deal? Hey if you like him that much, just give him an 8 year deal at his QO.

 

[Nanuuk]

Because he’s still a 6’4 Center with good mitts and good vision. Even if he doesn’t pan out he can still be a useful player on a hockey team.

I don’t know why HFboards is always boom or bust. Either you’re a superstar or AHL player caliber. There’s no in between

True that. Goes hand in hand with the often outrageous returns asked for a player.

 

[TheFridge]

a 5th rounder, maybe.
no chance he returns even a 2nd, let alone a first.

You're underestimating the value GMs assign to draft pedigree. There's a GM that would move a 2nd round pick for him no doubt.

 

[Buffdog]

As a Jets fan, I'll just wait until he's a UFA and sign him for free

He wants to come (close) to home anyway