Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

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Oh here we go hab fans favourite word POTENTIAL
His size means diddly squat if he doesn’t use it
And I’ve said maybe he turns out but IMO he will be 3rd liner
You get he was tied with Evans in points and both played on horrendous teams and i bet dach saw more PP time than evans
Until proven different he’s not much better than evans
Man if Bergevin made that move you woulda crucified him


Um in professional sports a 4 year age difference is just massive and I’m pretty sure you know this
You like to make assumptions and generalizations to help prove your point eh?
I’ve been active on this board for 2 weeks, you have no idea what I would have thought about KK or a Bergevin move.

Im not going to try and justify Dach vs Evans. You’re comparing a 20-21yo still trying to find his way in the NHL to a 26yo

You’re welcome to hate the trade and have your mind made up. Cool! But recognize that others feel differently than you do. It brings me back to my original point. Don’t share your opinion and then say ‘and everyone should feel the same as me’
 
30-35 would be a sign of stagnation. If he does not do better than 40 with the opportunity handed to him then I will take back my comments.

No, I don't think that is the case in my scenario.

He's is going to be fighting for ice time between Dvorak and suzuki, and Evans will need some ice too.

And when he's playing even strength, it likely won't be with someone like caufield.

So if you analyze the entire picture, 40-45 points is a real stretch goal considering the cast and competition for ice.... It's even a stretch if he happened to play a full 82 game season.
 
Oh here we go hab fans favourite word POTENTIAL
His size means diddly squat if he doesn’t use it
And I’ve said maybe he turns out but IMO he will be 3rd liner
You get he was tied with Evans in points and both played on horrendous teams and i bet dach saw more PP time than evans
Until proven different he’s not much better than evans
Man if Bergevin made that move you woulda crucified him


Um in professional sports a 4 year age difference is just massive and I’m pretty sure you know this

Ironic since in the same comment you compare Dach 21 years old and Evans, 26 years old.
 
Oh here we go hab fans favourite word POTENTIAL
His size means diddly squat if he doesn’t use it
And I’ve said maybe he turns out but IMO he will be 3rd liner
You get he was tied with Evans in points and both played on horrendous teams and i bet dach saw more PP time than evans
Until proven different he’s not much better than evans
Man if Bergevin made that move you woulda crucified him


Um in professional sports a 4 year age difference is just massive and I’m pretty sure you know this
A lot of players don't even break out before their mid-twenties. Look no further than someone like Valeri Nichushkin. It's crazy that people like you think players in their mid-twenties yet to enter their prime are "way older". The Canadiens landed Danault at 23 and look how he has developed as a player but people are willing to give up on Dach at 21.
 
If you’re sold on dach then you’re going on blind faith and that’s all
Has proven the big fat zero
His stats are below average and his face off % is horrific
Glad to see your sold on him
Im sure you were sold on KK as well
Turned out well
Whoa...whoa Capitain Bonhomme. You are going to trash a 21 year old who was highly rated in the same year as Caufield and lost a year because of injury. Tough crowd. how about you pull back from the keyboard and substances and let him play a game or two before crucifying!!
 
Jake evans 132 games 45 points , 207 OA
Kirby dach 152 games 59 points, 3 OA
There’s really no difference but their age


Never once gave up
I don’t like the trade doesn’t mean giving up
A team as bad as the Habs shouldn’t have traded the 13th overall pick for Dach
The Canadiens needed a player that could play for the team right now. There was no one available at 13 that fit that criteria. A reclamation project that is still very young and won't cost a lot since the team has no cap space, is a good calculated risk.
 
So his games in Chicago don’t count?
He’s proven nothing for a 3 oa
You just like the trade cuz Hugo made it and not Bergevin
Potential means nothing, he’s proven nothing for anyone to be high on him
so neither has Kakko at 2OA or anyone else not named Hughes from the 2019 draft.
 
Oh here we go hab fans favourite word POTENTIAL
His size means diddly squat if he doesn’t use it
And I’ve said maybe he turns out but IMO he will be 3rd liner
You get he was tied with Evans in points and both played on horrendous teams and i bet dach saw more PP time than evans
Until proven different he’s not much better than evans
Man if Bergevin made that move you woulda crucified him


Um in professional sports a 4 year age difference is just massive and I’m pretty sure you know this

So 3rd line centre for bottom pair D? Seems like a fair enough deal ;)
Esp with the young D in the system.
If he steps up awesome even better. If not "your" value of him as a player makes the deal fine.
Unless you think Romanov who has proved nothing also has potential to grow n Dach doesn't.
It's a flip. Could go either way but not a big risk by any means. JMO.
 
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So his games in Chicago don’t count?
He’s proven nothing for a 3 oa
You just like the trade cuz Hugo made it and not Bergevin
Potential means nothing, he’s proven nothing for anyone to be high on him
And FWIW i have no opinion on Hughes or Bergevin...why do you put words in my mouth?
 
Jake evans 132 games 45 points , 207 OA
Kirby dach 152 games 59 points, 3 OA
There’s really no difference but their age


Never once gave up
I don’t like the trade doesn’t mean giving up
A team as bad as the Habs shouldn’t have traded the 13th overall pick for Dach
At what age did evans start his career? Where was he at age 18? Was he rushed in the NHL?

But i guess they’re the exact same! Very similar start of career, type player and all :laugh:
 
Seider and zegras say hello
But I guess you think dach is more valuable than them
Oh Caufield gives you a head nod and does Matt Boldy
He is still ahead of them and you will judge an entire draft class on one season...here ye here ye...we have Nostradumbass among us. All hail the prophet!!
 
Jake evans 132 games 45 points , 207 OA
Kirby dach 152 games 59 points, 3 OA
There’s really no difference but their age
Apple meet orange lol.
There is really no difference but their age lol
To paraphrase you......4/5 yrs in pro sports is HUGE lol. At least try to be consistent.
Give Dach time to develop Evans had then compare. Maybe Evans is better at that age than Dach would be but I'd wager against that.
 
Scott Wheeler in the Athletic revisited the 2019 draft rankings and wrote this about Dach

11. Arizona Coyotes: C Kirby Dach
Actual draft pick: No. 3 (change: -8) to Chicago
My final ranking: No. 8 (change: -3)


We’ve all seen the flash in Dach. The ability, in spurts, to make a play happen through the middle of the ice, with that big frame of his, that makes you go “huh, so that’s why they picked him third.” Three years later, a defence of the Dach pick would also posit that he’s third in the draft class in scoring thus far behind Hughes and Zegras with 59 points (one more than Kakko in five fewer games). But there has been too much space between those moments, where he just looks ordinary. He’ll get every opportunity to change that in Montreal, and maybe he’ll run with it and become the 2C behind Suzuki now that they passed on Shane Wright for Juraj Slafkovsky. It’s certainly not going to be Christian Dvorak or Jake Evans long term. But I’m not convinced. I don’t see what that next gear looks like for him. He’s big, and he moves fairly well, and he’s got the touch to make those plays, but I often find myself watching him and wonder where that single, defining quality is that will carry him. I felt that way in his draft year and I feel that way now. He’s going to be a good middle-six player, I’d wager. I’d be surprised if he really runs with the baton in Montreal, though.”

Not super promising
Not liking this at all, even if one could say that it’s only one man’s opinion and the usual “no one knows the future” tag applies.

I don’t know how well respected Wheeler is however, the part that really stung was this comment: “I felt that way in his draft year and I feel that way now.”

Begs the question — what does HuGo know that Wheeler doesn’t? And of course, the flip side — how long will HuGo be willing to wait before they’ll have a decision to make, should it come to that.

Time is on HuGo’s side and with the battery of coaches and specialists they’ve assembled, they should be able to help arrive at a reasonably reliable assessment within say, the next season.

If the experiment is declared a failure internally, Dach might just be packaged for Dubois or for a 2023 pick. There is a built in safety valve to this, should it be needed.
 
Sorry what?? Dach is ahead of Zegras and Seider? The rookie of the year stud dman Seider?
You’re kidding me, right ?


Again games played means nothing
No problem
Games played means nothing you say, but you’re the one showing dach played 152 NHL games to try to compare him to evans.
 
Sorry what?? Dach is ahead of Zegras and Seider? The rookie of the year stud dman Seider?
You’re kidding me, right ?


Again games played means nothing
No problem
Your words.....4/5 years is huge and yes I do think it means something.
So your wrong.
You compare a player at 24/25 to 20/21.....if you took every player ever to play the game which seasons do you think they would be more effective on average?
You will probly take another 180.....
Context matters, no?
 
Not liking this at all, even if one could say that it’s only one man’s opinion and the usual “no one knows the future” tag applies.

I don’t know how well respected Wheeler is however, the part that really stung was this comment: “I felt that way in his draft year and I feel that way now.”

Begs the question — what does HuGo know that Wheeler doesn’t? And of course, the flip side — how long will HuGo be willing to wait before they’ll have a decision to make, should it come to that.

Time is on HuGo’s side and with the battery of coaches they’ve assembled, they should be able to make a reasonably reliable assessment within the next season.

If the experiment is declared a failure internally, Dach might just be packaged for Dubois or for a 2023 pick. There is a built in safety valve to this, should it be needed.
Come on now this is ridiculous, as if you can declare anything in a year. They’re in a rebuild and they traded for a 21 years old to let him develop, not rush him and stress him and trade him in a year :laugh:
 
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Come on now this is ridiculous, as if you can declare anything in a year. They’re in a rebuild and they traded for a 21 years old to let him develop, not rush him and stress him and trade him in a year :laugh:
Just speculating, obviously. I’m merely assuming that HuGo has tools and data mining ability that gives them an edge to assess and project.

Who said anything about stressing and rushing? I was only referring to management’s internal assessment capability, which is obviously greater than Wheeler’s and which Dach should not be privy to.

You adding decorative fiction that I never wrote is what is ridiculous. “Come on now.” 🤣
 
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Just speculating, obviously. I’m merely assuming that HuGo has tools and data mining ability that gives them an edge to assess and project.

Who said anything about stressing and rushing? I was only referring to management’s internal assessment capability, which is obviously greater than Wheeler’s and which Dach should not be privy to.

You adding decorative fiction that I never wrote is what is ridiculous. “Come on now.” 🤣
You insinuated that they might trade him next summer, after… a year, if the experiment is ‘’declared a failure’’. Which is far from enough time to let him find his ground and let him develop in peace. You don’t acquire a young center with the idea of trading him a year later lol.
 
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Sorry what?? Dach is ahead of Zegras and Seider? The rookie of the year stud dman Seider?
You’re kidding me, right ?
Call Detroit and Anaheim now
Offer dach for them cuz apparently he’s ahead of them
Holy Jesus this is gold

Again games played means nothing
No problem
So Seider is the second coming of Bobby Orr after one year? You must be into fantasy leagues much!
 
You insinuated that they might trade him next summer, after… a year, if the experiment is ‘’declared a failure’’. Which is far from enough time to let him find his ground and let him develop in peace. You don’t acquire a young center with the idea of trading him a year later lol.
I said “should it be needed”.

I never said anything about “stressing”. It was an internal management viewpoint.

Learn to read. “Lol”.
 
You insinuated that they might trade him next summer, after… a year, if the experiment is ‘’declared a failure’’. Which is far from enough time to let him find his ground and let him develop in peace. You don’t acquire a young center with the idea of trading him a year later lol.
I suppose this runner character and the stooge Nostradumbass would dump Dach for a 5th before training camp starts! Total amateurs.
 
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