Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

[cphabs]

Yes and you are our Scotty Bowman

Fantastic lmao!

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Then dach is is a 4th line centre
You just compared Dvorak to Danualt
Guess what dach isn’t better than either


Our centres after Suzuki are so weak it’s scary
Hoping we bottom out and get to draft one next summer or we get Dubois next summer
Im so not sold on dach and no one should be

Yes.
The center Habs might draft next summer should be better than Wright. But Dubois would be a good option because centers like him are so hard to get. Even if he's a deception some games, he's at least equal to what Koivu was bringing or Plekanec and Dubois would be a second center anyway.

 

[Le Tricolore]

HuGo seemed so hell-bent at acquiring this guy, yet he's still unsigned. What gives? Not very fond of this trade. He certainly wasn't worth a first and third. A typical bergevesque move is how I like to describe it, going after reclaimation projects and hoping for the best. But this one was costly.

He hasn't missed a single game, nor has he missed any of trading camp.

You don't have to like the trade, but your complaints really make it look like you're grasping at straws just to find a reason to be upset.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I’ll let it play out and see what happens
Very low expectations for dach but In all honesty if Bergevin woulda traded the 13th overall and a 3rd for dach, this board woulda crashed

Dach numbers and stats are concerning, or scary to say at least. Habs fans have to trust HuGo and Gorton for that move. We must beleive they know what they are doing, they must know his real value and his developpment potential. Otherwise it would be a disaster trade.

 

[SlafySZN]

Then dach is is a 4th line centre
You just compared Dvorak to Danualt
Guess what dach isn’t better than either


Our centres after Suzuki are so weak it’s scary
Hoping we bottom out and get to draft one next summer or we get Dubois next summer
Im so not sold on dach and no one should be

How did i compare Dvorak to Danault? People were talking about Danault and what he was bringing. I just showed their faceoffs stats, it is comparing?

2. No one will tell me which player i should like or not. Always liked Dach from his draft season.

 

[OldCraig71]

I’ll let it play out and see what happens
Very low expectations for dach but In all honesty if Bergevin woulda traded the 13th overall and a 3rd for dach, this board woulda crashed

This is true, we would have torn him to shreds.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I’ll let it play out and see what happens
Very low expectations for dach but In all honesty if Bergevin woulda traded the 13th overall and a 3rd for dach, this board woulda crashed

I was happy to see Bergevin trade picks, it's not like Timmy made good use of them

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

This is true, we would have torn him to shreds.

...we should have torn him to sheds anyways...and not just figuratively...

 

[Heffyhoof]

I like Jake evans Same stats
Until proven different he’s no better
And dach like kotkaniemi was the wrong pick for Chicago especially with Seider amd Zegras behind him
but at the moment not many of us believe he was worth the package given up
Maybe you’ll be right or maybe not
This next year will tell us a lot

Kotkaniemi was the wrong pick at this point (I was a major supporter) because he's seemingly incapable of improving on his weaknesses and can't even deliver much on his strengths Dach's excuses are at least mostly injury related and out of his control.

 

[Heffyhoof]

So dach not being productive are all injury related? Bold comment
Then we should fill expect him to crack 50 pts This year if healthy

I won't speak for everyone else, but based on my viewings and expectations of Dach, then 45ish-55ish uninjured points is realistic if Montreal gives him top 6 offensive opportunities.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...this Board's biggest issue is that P.B.S.D. (Post Bergevin Stress Disorder) is soo prevalent here...many, if not most, no longer trust anything Management says or does...

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

This will essentially be Dach's 3rd year in the nhl. Hope he can get 40-45 pts this year.

 

[Tyson]

This will essentially be Dach's 3rd year in the nhl. Hope he can get 40-45 pts this year.

He has the size and skill, a change of scenery will make a difference. Another young player rushed when he wasn't ready

 

[SlafySZN]

So dach not being productive are all injury related? Bold comment
Then we should fill expect him to crack 50 pts This year if healthy

He had a great rookie season and playoffs. Then had his wrist injured, put up 10 points in 18 games in a covid year, got rushed. Got bounced around constantly between center and wing, no stability. Chicago was a shit show this year.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

He has the size and skill, a change of scenery will make a difference. Another young player rushed when he wasn't ready

he actually started good i think it was the wrist injury that slowed him down,he was a beast in the bubble

 

[Runner77]

I won't speak for everyone else, but based on my viewings and expectations of Dach, then 45ish-55ish uninjured points is realistic if Montreal gives him top 6 offensive opportunities.

Make that top 6ish. He needs to earn it.

 

[habsgirl5000]

Our centres after Suzuki are so weak it’s scary
Hoping we bottom out and get to draft one next summer

We had the opportunity to draft one, and passed for a winger who will be chucky 2.0

 

[Heffyhoof]

So let’s say 50 pts
That would be fabulous

I agree!

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Our centres after Suzuki are so weak it’s scary
Hoping we bottom out and get to draft one next summer or we get Dubois next summer
Im so not sold on dach and no one should be

lucky for us 2023 is a great year for centers

Bedard
Fantilli
Dvorsky
Yager

 

[Runner77]

7 centers ranked in the top 10 as per this list posted by @WeThreeKings recently: 2023 NHL DRAFT: Preliminary Top 16 Ranking - July 2022

So, an excellent opportunity to land a quality center, while Dach gets to show what he’s got.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...calling a 50+ point season by Dach this year...kid's got the skills...I predict in two-three year's time, we'll be lauding the fact that we got Dach for Romanov and a couple of meh pics...and I always liked Romy...

 

[SwiftyHab]

Scott Wheeler in the Athletic revisited the 2019 draft rankings and wrote this about Dach

11. Arizona Coyotes: C Kirby Dach
Actual draft pick: No. 3 (change: -8) to Chicago
My final ranking: No. 8 (change: -3)

We’ve all seen the flash in Dach. The ability, in spurts, to make a play happen through the middle of the ice, with that big frame of his, that makes you go “huh, so that’s why they picked him third.” Three years later, a defence of the Dach pick would also posit that he’s third in the draft class in scoring thus far behind Hughes and Zegras with 59 points (one more than Kakko in five fewer games). But there has been too much space between those moments, where he just looks ordinary. He’ll get every opportunity to change that in Montreal, and maybe he’ll run with it and become the 2C behind Suzuki now that they passed on Shane Wright for Juraj Slafkovsky. It’s certainly not going to be Christian Dvorak or Jake Evans long term. But I’m not convinced. I don’t see what that next gear looks like for him. He’s big, and he moves fairly well, and he’s got the touch to make those plays, but I often find myself watching him and wonder where that single, defining quality is that will carry him. I felt that way in his draft year and I feel that way now. He’s going to be a good middle-six player, I’d wager. I’d be surprised if he really runs with the baton in Montreal, though.”

Not super promising

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Scott Wheeler in the Athletic revisited the 2019 draft rankings and wrote this about Dach

11. Arizona Coyotes: C Kirby Dach
Actual draft pick: No. 3 (change: -8) to Chicago
My final ranking: No. 8 (change: -3)

We’ve all seen the flash in Dach. The ability, in spurts, to make a play happen through the middle of the ice, with that big frame of his, that makes you go “huh, so that’s why they picked him third.” Three years later, a defence of the Dach pick would also posit that he’s third in the draft class in scoring thus far behind Hughes and Zegras with 59 points (one more than Kakko in five fewer games). But there has been too much space between those moments, where he just looks ordinary. He’ll get every opportunity to change that in Montreal, and maybe he’ll run with it and become the 2C behind Suzuki now that they passed on Shane Wright for Juraj Slafkovsky. It’s certainly not going to be Christian Dvorak or Jake Evans long term. But I’m not convinced. I don’t see what that next gear looks like for him. He’s big, and he moves fairly well, and he’s got the touch to make those plays, but I often find myself watching him and wonder where that single, defining quality is that will carry him. I felt that way in his draft year and I feel that way now. He’s going to be a good middle-six player, I’d wager. I’d be surprised if he really runs with the baton in Montreal, though.”

Not super promising

Scott Wheeler is not as big of a tool as Pronman but he is far from an expert of any sort.

 

[cphabs]

He has the size and skill, a change of scenery will make a difference. Another young player rushed when he wasn't ready

Chicago, the city included, is an absolute shit show. It’s 3rd world at best. Their franchise is a losing prospect unless you happen to belong to profit sharing league…

 

[Mikah]

He had a great rookie season and playoffs. Then had his wrist injured, put up 10 points in 18 games in a covid year, got rushed. Got bounced around constantly between center and wing, no stability. Chicago was a shit show this year.

And Montreal is going to be a great show this year??