Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

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I had Lekkerimäki at the top of my list there, I thought maybe going into next year if we get a center like Carlsson having a line of Slaf, Carlsson, Lekkerimäki could be good enough to make Suzuki+Caufield a second line.
Heard some disturbing commentary by a draft pundit who said that Lekkerimaki is dyslexic and has dual personalities. Apparently, he’s one way on the ice but has difficulty interacting off the ice. I don’t know how much teams delved into this or if it was even an issue but it sounded as if this prospect was going to be a handful. Don’t kill the messenger, I’m just sharing what I heard.
 
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Heard some disturbing commentary by a draft pundit who said that Lekkerimaki is dyslexic and has dual personalities. Apparently, he’s one way on the ice but is not as receptive to coaching off the ice. I don’t know how much teams delved into this or if it was even an issue but it sounded as if this prospect was going to be a handful. Don’t kill the messenger, I’m just sharing what I heard.

Lol what the f***?
 
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Dach is an RFA but his bad numbers should let Hughes get him for close to minimum so that may have come in as a factor to get him.
That’s an excellent point when compared to what Romanov’s salary demands likely would have been. A bonus for sure, provided Dach can get back on the path that was expected of him.
 
Well you are seeing an exceptionnal progression curve that I am not.

I just don't think we had a guy like Dobson on the habs. I think people we're asking too much of Romanov @ 22. He just kept getting better. I don't think the offensive game will be there for him, but damn would he be a great complimentary d man with a true #1. He can log big minutes and have big defensive responsibilities. There's a reason why the islanders traded the #13 for him. It's a great fit, much like Lehkonen in Colorado.
 
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That's what I'm banking on.
Only, our D core is awful. We'll have problems because our F core will mature way earlier than our D core. I don't like it as of now.
True but Hughes wasn’t going to attend to all areas of weakness with one draft and a weak draft class at that. I think there will yet be moves that will surprise by the time the summer is done.
 
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Where are we deepest in the Habs organization? LD
I'm not sure if Romy is a top 4 D on a strong team.

Great asset management in taking a flyer on a 21 year old big center who was a recent #3 pick. We weren't getting him for nothing. It's now up to MSL to get some of that untapped potential out of him. Time is on our side as we're not expected to contend.
That is where our revamped development team and skills coaching expertise will begin paying dividends. Hoping it’s complemented by one of the league’s best medical staffs. We can’t possibly have the same level of lost man-games again next season.

Habs fans PTSD is a real thing...we whined all year about losing 1st overall.

Then the moment we got 1st overall, we whined how it was a weak draft.

Y'all don't deserve shit! lol
To be fair, most pundits tabbed this as a weak draft. Then our draft observers who posted here, kind of echoed that sentiment. You could say there were reasons for that conclusion.
 
Dach obviously wouldn’t have been made available if the Hawks hadn’t soured on him. Has Dach really regressed or was he just the result of a stunted progression abetted by Hawk bumblers and an untimely injury?
He looked really impressive in his rookie year but nothing worthwhile in his case since his wrist injury.
He is awfully young (same draft class as Caufield). I am not optimistic but with MSL anything is possible.

KK's had too many flaws and It think we all saw enough of it to make our own opinion.
Yeah KK literally did not improve his balance, skating or strength since he was drafted
 
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Thx so much for sharing that. It offers a lot of upside angles.

Just wondering why we keep seeing posts about him having a weak shot? And if you have any concerns about his wrist injury recovery?


Do you even need to rely on your wrists when you’re coasting on the perimeter? Asking for a fiend.

I don't think a lot of people are very good at evaluating shots. I would also reckon that the wrist injury had something to do with the velocity on his shot for a bit.

I'd have to see his medical reports to know but since the trade was in the works for weeks, I would say that the Habs did their due diligence medically and don't feel its an issue long term.
 
He's 6'4 (close to 6'5), can skate, great dressing room guy / leader, right hand center and pass first guy. Can be a prick on the ice at times, but not enough in my opinion. Not an overly physical guy for his size, but uses his body very well and has a good active stick. Very good defensively. In junior he played all situations, PP/PK/ES. With Chicago he played "behind" Dylan Strome & Jonathon Toews, both whom average over 17 minutes of ice-time, but surprisingly Dach came in around 18 minutes with virtually NO PP time, yet scored 26 points (Compared to 48 for Strome & 37 for Toews). The year before Dach had 10 points in 18 games.

He's only 21 as well. I don't get the Kotkaniemi comparisons as other than age they are two very different players. In his first three seasons in Montreal, KK played extremely sheltered minutes (around 13-14 a game), Dach has not and was Chicago's most used center last year.

Dach is also a more cerebral player than KK, and already has the defensive game to keep playing higher minutes. The difference in Montreal is that he'll be doing so with actual scoring wingers now / top 6 minutes and no need to be protected on the ice, either physically or defensively like KK was.

I think if you give the guy until Christmas, many opinions will be changed watching this guy day to day. I think Montreal could use a 21 year old, huge right shot center with a great makeup / leadership who chips in 40-50 points a year and can play in all situations behind Suzuki.

Time will tell.
The KK reference has become a bust meme for any tall player who hasn’t improved after 3 years or more in the league. If someone doesn’t like Dach, there he is, your new KK.
 
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man that highlight video starts with a pass he completely lost that miraculously bounces off of his leg into the net :laugh:
It actually starts with his hot mom. #priorities
 
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We shouldn’t be to quick to judge Dach just yet. I know some say how this is Gorton’s Zibanajad but I think of someone else. I’m not saying they are comparable players but think of a Sean Couturier. Oh how many were ready to give up on him after his 2nd and 3rd year, guy even got demoted to the AHL. If MSL can work his magic, I wouldn’t be surprise if Dach turns out something similar. Guy has the talent, has the size. Just lost of confidence. He could be around the 50-60 pt player. With some years in the 40s but max could be a few 70 pt years, especially with the NHL scoring up.

Having a responsible 2 way C (like a Couturier) to off set Suzuki is a huge win. And the fact that it cost only Romanov.
 
The NHL is littered with big promising players who simply didn't pan out.
Recently you can add Cody Glass, Nolan Patrick, Alex Galchenyuk, Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Kaapo Kakko.
Dach until he proves otherwise falls into this category.
Maybe Glass and Kakko can be had for a discounted rate!
 
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I dont see any offensive potential in Romanov.

We dont have as much info on Dach’s wrist as I would like. Ive read that Chicago rushed him back from the injury and that he played all of last season with his wrist wrapped. Chicago is quickly becoming a joke and I think trading with them is a great idea.

Hughes and Gorton are high on projectability and Dach has all the tools you would ever dream in a center; big, smart, good skating, playmaking, responsible defensively.

I like that HuGo are not afraid to swing for homeruns with Slaf, Dach and Hutson and clearly they dont give a f*** what media or casual fans think. It’s going to be a long rebuild and they’ll make mistakes along the way but so far I like what they’re doing.
Agree that Romanov hasn't shown much offensively. But he's progressed unbelievably this past season and was our best dman the whole year on a historical bad team at age 22. Dach, on the other hand, didn't show any progression and got outplayed by freaking Dylan strome, braden hagel, etc to a point that chicago gave up on him for the 13th oa pick to draft 5'9 frank nazar. Playing C didn't work out and they out him on RW next to Toews also didn't work out. Let's hope this trade will not turn out to be another Griffyn Reinhart / matt barzal

Sorry dude, right now, Romanov has a much better chance of reaching his max potential, which is aa25-30 pts shutdown dman playing 22-25 mins a game than Dach does his (wtv his potential is). As for new management, they've taken two huge gambles this offseason. Slaf and Dach vs Wright and Romanov/13th pick. Only time will tell if they made the right choices or not. But if Dach doesn't pan out and Wright becomes a legit 1C, were screwed for the next 10 years because i really don't believe this team will get another chance at a high pick to draft a top center in the short future.
 
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For sure, Hughes said he wouldn't like more than two rookies playing on D.

With Eddy/Savard/Wideman, that's one spot uncertain, depending what happens with Petry.

Not sure I'd go with Chiarot, while he was nice to have I wouldn't want to be tied up too long and for too much to such a profile. And I doubt he'd sign here at a discount/short term as that's likely his last big contract. I'd target a similar profile as Wideman (cheap older D).
I could actually see a guy like Kulak coming back for reasonable amount.
More than 2, meaning it's okay to have 2 rookies in your top 6? ( You don't want a rookie not developing by being your no.7. ). That's awful. That D will get destroyed and development will suffer. Ideally you have 0 rookies and you rotate rookies as you have injuries. At most 1 rookie in the starting 6 in my view.
 
I just don't think we had a guy like Dobson on the habs. I think people we're asking too much of Romanov @ 22. He just kept getting better. I don't think the offensive game will be there for him, but damn would he be a great complimentary d man with a true #1. He can log big minutes and have big defensive responsibilities. There's a reason why the islanders traded the #13 for him. It's a great fit, much like Lehkonen in Colorado.
The great complimentary d-man will be Ghule. I'd always imagined Romanov as our hard hitting, good transition #4, which I'd say he was fulfilling.
 
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We shouldn’t be to quick to judge Dach just yet. I know some say how this is Gorton’s Zibanajad but I think of someone else. I’m not saying they are comparable players but think of a Sean Couturier. Oh how many were ready to give up on him after his 2nd and 3rd year, guy even got demoted to the AHL. If MSL can work his magic, I wouldn’t be surprise if Dach turns out something similar. Guy has the talent, has the size. Just lost of confidence. He could be around the 50-60 pt player. With some years in the 40s but max could be a few 70 pt years, especially with the NHL scoring up.

Having a responsible 2 way C (like a Couturier) to off set Suzuki is a huge win. And the fact that it cost only Romanov.
But Dach will have to learn how to win face offs
 
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