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What concerns me more than his first two years of play is the fact the he's been playing with his wrist wrapped for all of last year after destroying it and the juniors.

I'd be shocked if we traded for a player with a clearly busted wrist, but it's been injured for quite a long time.
 
Lshap said:
Most mid-1st round picks don't turn out like Suzuki or Caufield. If we're betting on potential, Dach has much better odds of becoming a solid 2C than this year's 13OA.
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Well, it’s not a giant leap when you consider that several had the top forwards’ ceilings in this draft pegged as 2nd liners. If the foregoing holds any water, then that 13OA has to project below that.
 
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Tyrus said:
What concerns me more than his first two years of play is the fact the he's been playing with his wrist wrapped for all of last year after destroying it and the juniors.

I'd be shocked if we traded for a player with a clearly busted wrist, but it's been injured for quite a long time.
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Why do you think Chicago let him go, for the same reasons the Habs have let go KK, they didn't think he was worthed to pay him more.
 
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Matthew McConaughay said:
Why do you think Chicago let him go, for the same reasons the Habs have let go KK, they didn't think he was worthed to pay him more.
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Chicago exchanged all their 1st round selections since 2011 (Danault) to 2019 (Dach) a few years after drafting them. They have zero patience with development (and probably crap development too).

Danault is now a top 6 center.
Teravainen is now a top 6 winger with the Canes.
Hartman just had a 65 pts season with the Wilds.
Schmaltz just had a 59 pts season 63 games with the Coyotes.
no pick
no pick (got DeBrincat early 2nd round, just traded him too)
Jokiharju is developing with the Sabres
Bovqist is developing with the Jackets
Dach will now be developing with the Habs
 
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morhilane said:
Chicago exchanged all their 1st round selections since 2011 (Danault) to 2019 (Dach) a few years after drafting them. They have zero patience with development (and probably crap development too).

Danault is now a top 6 center.
Teravainen is now a top 6 winger with the Canes.
Hartman just had a 65 pts season with the Wilds.
Schmaltz just had a 59 pts season 63 games with the Coyotes.
no pick
no pick (got DeBrincat early 2nd round, just traded him too)
Jokiharju is developing with the Sabres
Bovqist is developing with the Jackets
Dach will now be developing with the Habs
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That is actually crazy! Only other team I would guess that is guilty of this is the Penguins
 
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yianik said:
More than 2, meaning it's okay to have 2 rookies in your top 6? ( You don't want a rookie not developing by being your no.7. ). That's awful. That D will get destroyed and development will suffer. Ideally you have 0 rookies and you rotate rookies as you have injuries. At most 1 rookie in the starting 6 in my view.
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Well by rookie I assume he means an nhl ready prospect playing his first full nhl season. Is that such a bad thing in itself?

It really depends on context I’d say. You don’t want to leave a rookie that’s in over his head hanging to dry in the nhl.
But if a given number of guys show up with a pro ready game, why limit ourselves?

Take a guy like Harris, he’d be considered a rookie, but could arguably play top 6.
What if one of Ghule/Barron can as well? Senf them down because that’s one too much?
 
MasterMatt25 said:
Romanov is nowhere near as good as Sergachev
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Romanov is going to be a very good D-man, but yeah... limited at offensive zone. Guhle is going to be a better D than Romanov. Habs have Guhle, Harris, Struble, Xhekaj, Hutson, Fairbrother at LD... they are in pretty good hands even if Romanov is gone.

And Dach more younger than Drouin (when the trade happen, Dach 21 and Drouin 22), than Romanov too. 6"4, different player type of player than Drouin... Dach have all tools to become a solid top 6 C. This trade is very good.
 
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Tyrus said:
What concerns me more than his first two years of play is the fact the he's been playing with his wrist wrapped for all of last year after destroying it and the juniors.

I'd be shocked if we traded for a player with a clearly busted wrist, but it's been injured for quite a long time.
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Hmm.... can he open his own pickle jars? Or does he need to ask his girlfriend to do it.

This org has done some silly things, let's hope this isn't one of them.
 
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morhilane said:
Chicago exchanged all their 1st round selections since 2011 (Danault) to 2019 (Dach) a few years after drafting them. They have zero patience with development (and probably crap development too).

Danault is now a top 6 center.
Teravainen is now a top 6 winger with the Canes.
Hartman just had a 65 pts season with the Wilds.
Schmaltz just had a 59 pts season 63 games with the Coyotes.
no pick
no pick (got DeBrincat early 2nd round, just traded him too)
Jokiharju is developing with the Sabres
Bovqist is developing with the Jackets
Dach will now be developing with the Habs
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To put things in context, Chicago was a mini dynasty pushing for more cups. It's totally normal to trade prospects for established players and go for the cup!

- Danault was sacrificed for Weise and Fleischmann as the latters were decent players for a cup run.
- Teravainen was sacrificed to shed Bryan Bickell salary in 2016. Again, they were still looking to win more cups
- Hartman is a career 20 pts player on 3 teams. Suddenly, he got 65 pts this year. Prolly wont repeat. In 2018, when Chicago was having a horrible season, Nashville offered a 1st round pick for 20-point Hartman because of his versatility (same as the Lehkonen trade). Wouldn't you do this deal?
- Jokiharju was traded for a former 7th oa pick Alex Nylander who is only 1 year older.
- Boqvust was traded for Seth Jones, who might have declined a bit, but still remains an elite Dman.
 
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Runner77 said:
They’ve staked a good chunk of the goodwill and benefit of the doubt that fans afforded them, on those two moves. They’re definitely going to do everything to see them succeed.
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From low key and unassuming, to Go Time................a very bold start with their 1st draft.
I like the HuGo tandem, and will afford them 3 years, the same as I did with the Clown GM before them.
The big difference he inherited a fantastic cap situation, with 2 get out of jail free cards ( Gomez,Kaberle ) and a superstar goalie at 24 yrs of age.
HuGo has their work cut out for them.
 
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Takeru said:
Well by rookie I assume he means an nhl ready prospect playing his first full nhl season. Is that such a bad thing in itself?

It really depends on context I’d say. You don’t want to leave a rookie that’s in over his head hanging to dry in the nhl.
But if a given number of guys show up with a pro ready game, why limit ourselves?

Take a guy like Harris, he’d be considered a rookie, but could arguably play top 6.
What if one of Ghule/Barron can as well? Senf them down because that’s one too much?
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I think D men should be brought in for some games when you have injuries. Unless you have a real top player, I don't think they should be part of the starting 6 at the beginning of the season. As the season goes on and you bring a young guy in and he does the job, you can continue playing him. I just don't think you plan on starting your team D with rookies.
 
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Lshap said:
If Dach doesn't become more than he is, it won't be exciting and the trade will probably be a wash. But if he develops some of his enormous potential, he'll fill a more valuable role on our roster than Romanov ever could.
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Isles & Oilers also didn’t think Ryan Strome could live up to 5OA selection likewise Sens wrt to Zibanejad who was 6OA w first season at age 21 putting up similar numbers that Dach did at 18-19 year old season … both coincidentally acquired by Gorton.
 
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morhilane said:
Chicago exchanged all their 1st round selections since 2011 (Danault) to 2019 (Dach) a few years after drafting them. They have zero patience with development (and probably crap development too).

Danault is now a top 6 center.
Teravainen is now a top 6 winger with the Canes.
Hartman just had a 65 pts season with the Wilds.
Schmaltz just had a 59 pts season 63 games with the Coyotes.
no pick
no pick (got DeBrincat early 2nd round, just traded him too)
Jokiharju is developing with the Sabres
Bovqist is developing with the Jackets
Dach will now be developing with the Habs
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A few, out of a lot more than that , only 4 in there are proven to have turned around.
 
yianik said:
I think D men should be brought in for some games when you have injuries. Unless you have a real top player, I don't think they should be part of the starting 6 at the beginning of the season. As the season goes on and you bring a young guy in and he does the job, you can continue playing him. I just don't think you plan on starting your team D with rookies.
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Agree to disagree I guess.

I don’t think you should base your rookie integration on injuries, as you’ve got less control on duration and timing. For instance, what’s the meaningful difference between starting a rookie in your top 6 or having to integrate one on game 3-4 if eddy gets injured? Just an example.

Where I agree with you is we need fallback/filler options in case those guys aren’t ready (such as wideman,kulak or any similar type). Guys that can step down following camp to let the rookies play if they deserve. They don’t get a place granted , but aren’t blocked by a bunch of chiarots and savards either, if you get my train of thought.
 
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Once upon a time, the Habs traded a guy who they thought had cooked knee to Chicago. He went on to play close to another 20 seasons.

Now Chicago trades a player to Montreal with wrist problems. If it works out half as well as chelios did for the hawks, then the Habs should be doing cartwheels.
 
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