Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

[dcyhabs]

He's not a project. He's 21 years old and is 3rd in points from his draft class where he was selected #3 overall. He's still early in his development and had a huge playoff in the bubble two years ago. He's the same age as Caufield.

Don't judge the trade based on the Debrincat trade. That was just stupid. Chicago's the worst organization in sports right now and just be happy we also took advantage of their fire sale.

Dach's points are skewed by the number of games he has played. His scoring stats are similar to Kakko's, and Kakko is considered to have busted. Caufield has fewer points but about half the games played, lots of guys are going to pass Dach unless he breaks out big time.

Dach plays great D according to Chicago analyses. Should be high floor, and we'll see if he breaks out. Worst case he's big enough to make some space for Drouin/Hoffman/Caufield/others.

 

[Andy]

My opinion of Romanov is this: it's a lot easier to find and develop his style of d-men than to get young players with high upside. Considering the amount of holes the habs have at forward, particularly skilled forwards, it's a reasonable gamble.

The question with the trade won't be Romanov vs Dach. I'd make such a swap anytime. The question is whether there are going to be any stars drafted around the 13OA range.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Would be awesome to get Leo Carlsson next year if its not Bedard or Fantilli

SuzukI
Carlsson
Dach

would be lit

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

My opinion of Romanov is this: it's a lot easier to find and develop his style of d-men than to get young players with high upside. Considering the amount of holes the habs have at forward, particularly skilled forwards, it's a reasonable gamble.

The question with the trade won't be Romanov vs Dach. I'd make such a swap anytime. The question is whether there are going to be any stars drafted around the 13OA range.

That's Q1. Q2 is does Dach provide something unavailable at 13 as well as 26 and 33? I think that Dach offers something more potentially complementary to the bulk of the forwards at 26 and 33 than does Nazar, as fast and skilled as he is... If Dach can be nurtured and reclaimed as anticipated by HuGo.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

My opinion of Romanov is this: it's a lot easier to find and develop his style of d-men than to get young players with high upside. Considering the amount of holes the habs have at forward, particularly skilled forwards, it's a reasonable gamble.

The question with the trade won't be Romanov vs Dach. I'd make such a swap anytime. The question is whether there are going to be any stars drafted around the 13OA range.

Could also have used that #13 + to move up and draft one of the offensive Ds in Mintyukov or Korchinsky, which we sorely lack.

 

[Deebs]

Could also have used that #13 + to move up and draft one of the offensive Ds in Mintyukov or Korchinsky, which we sorely lack.

But we wanted a center, which we sorely lack

 

[Andy]

Could also have used that #13 + to move up and draft one of the offensive Ds in Mintyukov or Korchinsky, which we sorely lack.

The question still remains though: will Dach be better than anyone drafted at 13/any hypothetical pick the habs could have traded up for.

Essentially the debate is now around the unknowns of Dach's potential vs the unknowns of 2022 draftee potential. It's a question no one anywhere can answer with certainty. At this point, taking a side is just sheer guess work.

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

But we wanted a center, which we sorely lack

So why they didn't pick Cooley ?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

But we wanted a center, which we sorely lack

Mintyukov or Korchinsky >>> Dach

 

[Deebs]

So why they didn't pick Cooley ?

Because we were smart and got a Center and Forward.

Mintyukov or Korchinsky >>> Dach

Do they play center?

 

[Andy]

Mintyukov or Korchinsky >>> Dach

Hypothetically. We won't know for a while.

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

Because we were smart and got a Center and Forward.


Do they play center?

Dach lol, he hasn't proven anything.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Because we were smart and got a Center and Forward.


Do they play center?

Circular logic. Two needs to fill and those prospects have more upside than Dach.

Hypothetically. We won't know for a while.

Im pretty sure they will.

 

[Andy]

Circular logic. Two needs to fill and those prospects have more upside than Dach.



Im pretty sure they will.

Why does your "pretty sure they will" hold more weight than the habs brass opinion of "pretty sure Dach will"?

I've been around these boards long enough to see the deep investments in being sure about completely unknown prospects, only for them to not do much.

The only thing we can do is wait and see. No one knows what will happen.

 

[Deebs]

Why does your "pretty sure they will" hold more weight than the habs brass opinion of "pretty sure Dach will"?

I've been around these boards long enough to see the deep investments in being sure about completely unknown prospects, only for them to not do much.

The only thing we can do is wait and see. No one knows what will happen.

Ozzy just doing his usually routine lol. On to day 2, let's go

 

[Hannibal]

Would be awesome to get Leo Carlsson next year if its not Bedard or Fantilli

SuzukI
Carlsson
Dach

would be lit

Or Dvorsky!

 

[Habs]

I didn't realize Dach was an RFA like Romanov, makes sense why Chicago dumped him.

 

[montreal]

I wouldn't trade a young 4D who plays more than 20 minutes a night for a 35 point centre. Ever.

he had 33 pts in his first 80 NHL games so would expect with some progress he should be a hopefully decent amount better then that.

 

[HostileCapSpace]

he had 33 pts in his first 80 NHL games so would expect with some progress he should be a hopefully decent amount better then that.

I mean, that's the hope. I hope to be proven wrong for sure but I have doubts. We'll see soon enough.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

I liked Romanov...I don't see the puck skills or offensive instincts for him to reach 40pts.

He's somewhat redundant among the other Habs prospect blue liners and while i'm sure the Habs would have preferred keeping him.

Trading an excess for a need, is just smart business.

With respect, I truly cannot understand this mindset. At this juncture, all we have are magic beans in our defensive core; Harris, Guhle, and Struble have yet to become regular sixth defensemen, let alone top four, and, quite frankly, given what we know of development uncertainty and the propensity for prospects to 'bust,' it's likely that Harris is the only one who'll carve out a marginal NHL career. We cannot say that we are trading from a position of excess when not a single one of them has truly made the NHL - Harris solid stint was too short to count as such - and, sans Romanov, our left side is non-existent at this level.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Dach's points are skewed by the number of games he has played. His scoring stats are similar to Kakko's, and Kakko is considered to have busted. Caufield has fewer points but about half the games played, lots of guys are going to pass Dach unless he breaks out big time.

Dach plays great D according to Chicago analyses. Should be high floor, and we'll see if he breaks out. Worst case he's big enough to make some space for Drouin/Hoffman/Caufield/others.

Kakko is not considered to have busted. Disappointing start to his career but he's still far from a finished product. He also had some great moments in the Rangers playoff run despite being scratched in their last game.

Dach is the same age as Caufield. He's still a developing player.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Why does your "pretty sure they will" hold more weight than the habs brass opinion of "pretty sure Dach will"?

I've been around these boards long enough to see the deep investments in being sure about completely unknown prospects, only for them to not do much.

The only thing we can do is wait and see. No one knows what will happen.

I had Mintyukov and Korchinsky between 5-10, lo and behold Anaheim and Chicago picked them right where I had them contrarily to many lists, so giving the pros/authority yaddi yaddi yadda speech doesn't work.

Dach is already on the road to bustsville. There's no way to rationalize this. It's a huge gamble with high chances of busting.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

Kakko is not considered to have busted. Disappointing start to his career but he's still far from a finished product. He also had some great moments in the Rangers playoff run despite being scratched in their last game.

Dach is the same age as Caufield. He's still a developing player.

Whether or not it's fair, there has been a good deal of chatter surrounding Kakko as a bust on these forums.

As Ozymandias said, Dalch's career has looked intensely dubious at best thus far. High risk, almost no potential for reward.

 

[calder candidate]

The issue with Dach is that it seem that he was a bit of a head case just butting head with everyone in Chicago since day one. So now it is a even bigger gamble…

 

[Habs13]

I'm going to call Dach by Darche, because that's his ceiling. Mathieu f***ing Darche.