Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

Kobe Armstrong

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Couldn’t watch the game but looked like an emotional goal for Dach

Was he crying because it’s been a tough year or was it relief because he was directly responsible for the goal the Ducks had just scored
 

Andrei79

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The toxicity around Kirby Dach is pretty awful in my opinion. I wish he was playing better - I'm sure he does too - but people calling him lazy or unmotivated or soft or not caring is ridiculous. These words have never accurately described him, and it's unfair to apply them now.

I did some reading to try and understand what he's been through in the past year and a bit. An ACL tear is a traumatic injury, and the recovery process is grueling. For context:
  • In the first two weeks, patients have limited standing or walking.
  • Six weeks post surgery, a primary goal is to step up an 8" stair.
  • At 14 weeks, the aim is to step up a 8" stair without pain.
    (Source)
The recovery isn't just physical. It takes a toll mentally. Studies show that approximately 1 in 3 athletes undergoing ACL reconstruction self-report depression - a significantly higher rate than the general population (source). Even those who don't report deperssion probably don't feel like they're thriving. It's a tough road.

And when an athlete does return, they often aren't 100%. Research highlights deficits in strength, balance, joint forces and kinesthesia for up to two years post-surgery. Additionally, many athletes develop kinesiophobia, aka fear of re-injury, post ACL-reconstruction. This hesitation can impact and delay their return to pre-injury levels. (source, source) It sounds like something you just have to play through/use to get past that feeling as well.

Given all this, I think the fans should show more patience with Kirby this season. Some of you seem to have forgotten just how hyped he was pre-injury. To jog your memory, here are a few comments from this very thread just weeks before his injury:






There are literally pages of similar praise.

His entire treatment in this situation reminds me of Andrei Markov when he returned from traumatic knee injuries. Initially, fans were just as impatient and cruel. I used HFboards awful search function to find old Markov threads from when he returned from injury. You can thank me later. Here are some quotes:





There were also many posts saying Markov was cooked, he should be traded, etc. Just a season later, Markov was back to playing at an elite level. So much so that letting him walk in 2017 is now considered to be one of Marc Bergevin's worst moves as GM.

So before you trash Kirby Dach and call him a lazy good for nothing bum. Before you call to trade him and fill that void with some random prospect. Take a deep breath, do some research, try to think it through a little bit. Let's give Dach the time he needs. He's shown us before what he's capable of, let's give him a reasonable amount of time/chance to get back to that point.

Rant over!!!

Excellent post.
 

Pierre Larouche

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Excellent post.
Great post. I feel the same way. Dach's going through it and the criticism is harsh. I'm really glad you posted this. It will take a long time for him to get back. He might not get there for a couple years. He might not get to what he was showing in his game last year before the injury. Patience is needed and understanding.
 

Egresch

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Great post. I feel the same way. Dach's going through it and the criticism is harsh. I'm really glad you posted this. It will take a long time for him to get back. He might not get there for a couple years. He might not get to what he was showing in his game last year before the injury. Patience is needed and understanding.
It irritates me that we see no patience from MSL or management. Dach is clearly not ready to play top 6 minutes and PP1 which was obvious after like 10 games. Give that kid some relief and stop the torture. Move him to 4th line, so he can slowly come back to his old form. He is now hurting the whole team performance and dragging down Slaf as well.
 

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It irritates me that we see no patience from MSL or management. Dach is clearly not ready to play top 6 minutes and PP1 which was obvious after like 10 games. Give that kid some relief and stop the torture. Move him to 4th line, so he can slowly come back to his old form. He is now hurting the whole team performance and dragging down Slaf as well.
I think its funny that others would see a 4th line demotion as a lack of patience. If we had a better band-aid 2C, Dach could just play 3C and PP2.
 
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I think its funny that others would see a 4th line demotion as a lack of patience. If we had a better band-aid 2C, Dach could just play 3C and PP2.
Lack of depth hurts the team in numerous ways. Newhook and Dach underperforming + Slaf and Guhle underproducing has left us in a tough spot. It’s part of the saga of a rebuild but it still is tough to work through when so many high-TOI players are below par.

Laine’s return helps quite a bit because he’s simply lethal — his linemates will want to play with him. Morale goes up, sticks are squeezed less tightly, etc.

Dach needs the monkey off his back. For reasons previously stated I really think he should’ve been scratched and probably still does but the fact is we don’t have another player to step in. No depth hurts all teams, rebuilding teams too.
 

Egresch

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I think its funny that others would see a 4th line demotion as a lack of patience. If we had a better band-aid 2C, Dach could just play 3C and PP2.
It is just a matter of communication. We should have been more patient and now we give him little refief, less responsibilities to slowly grow his game.
Get one strong line with CC- Suzuki- Slaf as we already had last year. Add Laine-Evans- Newhook, If they get offensive support from Matheson/Hutson, they would be ok. Not ideal, but they would be able to create some offense and the team might be in the mix, because our bottom 6 is doing good job.
Or you can literally create a shut down line as your 2nd line Armia- Evans- Anderson. None of them is in our long-term plan, so just use their strenghts.
 
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It's been almost 30 games and he has not shown any signs that he is slowly getting his game back. Something has to give soon.

He definitely has over the last few games, it's incremental but it's coming.

Last night nobody on that line made a play but Laine was easily the worst and turned pretty much every puck over. To be expected.
 
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Habby4Life

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nobody is wroting off Heineman , what does that even mean . Heineman is a bottom 6 player doing his job with his limited ice time.

My god we keep coping that Dach is 20 year olds , hes turning 24 , shows absolutely nothing. Chicago fans realized this a while ago that Dach is simply not fit as a center , let alone in the top6.
He has every chance in the world , to show what is he worth.
We are 31th in the league , we somehow have a decent PP god knows why and yet even being on the first unit , Dach has done absolutely nothing on the PP and literally everything happens without him being even in the play.

Also funny how this board only protect Dach while Barron just turned 23 and Newhook is also turning 24.

Dach has played 236 games
Barron has played 106 games
Newhook has played 238 games

Yet everyone agrees that Barron is barely a nhler and that Newhook despite his chances cant make happens and everyone agree on this board

Btw Newhook and Dach have the same amount of points in their career , yet Dach is somehow trending up for breathing air on the ice.


Literally the same people from last season who were Praising Matheson because of his secondary assists that now wants to throw him away despite playing the same exact way.

Some people will say that we are to quick to throw the towel and some we wait until hes 31 year olds before they realize that he's not doing the job done.

We wasted similar assets for those 3 and yet we can't compare oh we cant judge him like the others.

Kinda out of touch if you ask me.
The injury card is a joke. He trained nonstop this summer played hockey since september now entering december but somehow an professional hockey player , who has trained and played their whole life hockey , somehow forgot every basic of hockey because of an injury. Cmon now thats completely ridic.
NAILED IT!!!
 

Habby4Life

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Dach has 1 goal in 27 games and league plus/minus at -21. While playing top 6 minutes. Shows no effort out there
You hit the core issue with the effort comment.

Ok, he missed a full year, did I expect him to come out flying and light up the scoresheet, no. On the offense side him struggling ok but the problem I see is the lack of intensity, the work ethic. If you aren’t scoring, work your tail off on back checking, in D zone, etc. not seeing that and that is a big red flag.

People say fans were all over CC last year and many were but the difference was CC was working hard but not seeing the results many expected but he still had a good year. Both had surgery that may or may have not affected the game when they returned but one was working hard and the other just isn’t.
 
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Ozmodiar

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The team is crap. Dach need time... just leave the guy alone, let him play and hope that he regain some confidence and game share so that next season he's turn the corner
Fans wait and hope, but also like to armchair coach and manage.

The GM and coach have to be proactive. Coach - finding the best fit for him. GM - finding fallback options in case he doesn’t become the 2C they were hoping for.
 

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