Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Lafleurs Guy]

He had a solid game last night and has been playing better over the last 3-4. Slowly getting back to his normal self.

I didn't think he was great last night to be honest. But I'm glad he got his goal. Hopefully Laine can help drag him out of his slump. He owes Slaf a beer for that play last night.

 

[morhilane]

He had a solid game last night and has been playing better over the last 3-4. Slowly getting back to his normal self.

Some posters are focusing way too much on his bad luck/bad plays instead of the rest coming together game by game.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Dach couldn't contain himself , had to sneak in a sniff for good measure , that's love. You know they kissed after the game for sure

 

[overlords]

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Dach couldn't contain himself , had to sneak in a sniff for good measure , that's love. You know they kissed after the game for sure

Dach could tell Slaf was wearing the Drakkar Noir he got him for christmas.

 

[Prettyisland]

Michael Hage could do the job better right now, and I’m not being hyperbolic

 

[badfish]

The toxicity around Kirby Dach is pretty awful in my opinion. I wish he was playing better - I'm sure he does too - but people calling him lazy or unmotivated or soft or not caring is ridiculous. These words have never accurately described him, and it's unfair to apply them now.

I did some reading to try and understand what he's been through in the past year and a bit. An ACL tear is a traumatic injury, and the recovery process is grueling. For context:

• In the first two weeks, patients have limited standing or walking.
• Six weeks post surgery, a primary goal is to step up an 8" stair.
• At 14 weeks, the aim is to step up a 8" stair without pain.
  (Source)

The recovery isn't just physical. It takes a toll mentally. Studies show that approximately 1 in 3 athletes undergoing ACL reconstruction self-report depression - a significantly higher rate than the general population (source). Even those who don't report deperssion probably don't feel like they're thriving. It's a tough road.

And when an athlete does return, they often aren't 100%. Research highlights deficits in strength, balance, joint forces and kinesthesia for up to two years post-surgery. Additionally, many athletes develop kinesiophobia, aka fear of re-injury, post ACL-reconstruction. This hesitation can impact and delay their return to pre-injury levels. (source, source) It sounds like something you just have to play through/use to get past that feeling as well.

Given all this, I think the fans should show more patience with Kirby this season. Some of you seem to have forgotten just how hyped he was pre-injury. To jog your memory, here are a few comments from this very thread just weeks before his injury:

What a monster. Most physically dominant center I've seen wearing a Habs jersey.

What I love most about Dach is how relentless he is on pucks. Really showed on Slaf's goal. He has good work ethic, a good reach, and he's unmovable. He's becoming a really good physical, 2-way center, and I'm all aboard the hype train.

Dach is really coming into his own. He's made massive strides in his physical game since he joined the team and is becoming a true play driver.

There are literally pages of similar praise.

His entire treatment in this situation reminds me of Andrei Markov when he returned from traumatic knee injuries. Initially, fans were just as impatient and cruel. I used HFboards awful search function to find old Markov threads from when he returned from injury. You can thank me later. Here are some quotes:

This guy gradually went from playing like his former-self top 10 D in the league to playing like a bum.

I watched him play and he seems to play very cautious. Cant blame him after missing almost 2 years to knee injury.

He isnt just slower, he cant shoot for crap anymore. His shots are either wide or predictable even if they are heavy.

I'm of the very unpopular opinion that this trade deadline is the perfect opportunity to trade Markov; he'd fetch a good ransom and it would give Nathan Beaulieu a chance to play out the rest of the season with the big club to see how far he's come in his development.

There were also many posts saying Markov was cooked, he should be traded, etc. Just a season later, Markov was back to playing at an elite level. So much so that letting him walk in 2017 is now considered to be one of Marc Bergevin's worst moves as GM.

So before you trash Kirby Dach and call him a lazy good for nothing bum. Before you call to trade him and fill that void with some random prospect. Take a deep breath, do some research, try to think it through a little bit. Let's give Dach the time he needs. He's shown us before what he's capable of, let's give him a reasonable amount of time/chance to get back to that point.

Rant over!!!

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

 

[Wats]

This guy ending up with 40-50pts at season end would be the biggest W.

 

[overlords]

The toxicity around Kirby Dach is pretty awful in my opinion. I wish he was playing better - I'm sure he does too - but people calling him lazy or unmotivated or soft or not caring is ridiculous. These words have never accurately described him, and it's unfair to apply them now.

I did some reading to try and understand what he's been through in the past year and a bit. An ACL tear is a traumatic injury, and the recovery process is grueling. For context:

• In the first two weeks, patients have limited standing or walking.
• Six weeks post surgery, a primary goal is to step up an 8" stair.
• At 14 weeks, the aim is to step up a 8" stair without pain.
  (Source)

The recovery isn't just physical. It takes a toll mentally. Studies show that approximately 1 in 3 athletes undergoing ACL reconstruction self-report depression - a significantly higher rate than the general population (source). Even those who don't report deperssion probably don't feel like they're thriving. It's a tough road.

And when an athlete does return, they often aren't 100%. Research highlights deficits in strength, balance, joint forces and kinesthesia for up to two years post-surgery. Additionally, many athletes develop kinesiophobia, aka fear of re-injury, post ACL-reconstruction. This hesitation can impact and delay their return to pre-injury levels. (source, source) It sounds like something you just have to play through/use to get past that feeling as well.

Given all this, I think the fans should show more patience with Kirby this season. Some of you seem to have forgotten just how hyped he was pre-injury. To jog your memory, here are a few comments from this very thread just weeks before his injury:






There are literally pages of similar praise.

His entire treatment in this situation reminds me of Andrei Markov when he returned from traumatic knee injuries. Initially, fans were just as impatient and cruel. I used HFboards awful search function to find old Markov threads from when he returned from injury. You can thank me later. Here are some quotes:





There were also many posts saying Markov was cooked, he should be traded, etc. Just a season later, Markov was back to playing at an elite level. So much so that letting him walk in 2017 is now considered to be one of Marc Bergevin's worst moves as GM.

So before you trash Kirby Dach and call him a lazy good for nothing bum. Before you call to trade him and fill that void with some random prospect. Take a deep breath, do some research, try to think it through a little bit. Let's give Dach the time he needs. He's shown us before what he's capable of, let's give him a reasonable amount of time/chance to get back to that point.

Rant over!!!

nuh-uh, EA Sports told me that once an injury timer ticks down, the player is at 100%.

respect for using the search function. it is indeed trash.

 

[Habs]

The toxicity around Kirby Dach is pretty awful in my opinion. I wish he was playing better - I'm sure he does too - but people calling him lazy or unmotivated or soft or not caring is ridiculous. These words have never accurately described him, and it's unfair to apply them now.

I did some reading to try and understand what he's been through in the past year and a bit. An ACL tear is a traumatic injury, and the recovery process is grueling. For context:

• In the first two weeks, patients have limited standing or walking.
• Six weeks post surgery, a primary goal is to step up an 8" stair.
• At 14 weeks, the aim is to step up a 8" stair without pain.
  (Source)

The recovery isn't just physical. It takes a toll mentally. Studies show that approximately 1 in 3 athletes undergoing ACL reconstruction self-report depression - a significantly higher rate than the general population (source). Even those who don't report deperssion probably don't feel like they're thriving. It's a tough road.

And when an athlete does return, they often aren't 100%. Research highlights deficits in strength, balance, joint forces and kinesthesia for up to two years post-surgery. Additionally, many athletes develop kinesiophobia, aka fear of re-injury, post ACL-reconstruction. This hesitation can impact and delay their return to pre-injury levels. (source, source) It sounds like something you just have to play through/use to get past that feeling as well.

Given all this, I think the fans should show more patience with Kirby this season. Some of you seem to have forgotten just how hyped he was pre-injury. To jog your memory, here are a few comments from this very thread just weeks before his injury:






There are literally pages of similar praise.

His entire treatment in this situation reminds me of Andrei Markov when he returned from traumatic knee injuries. Initially, fans were just as impatient and cruel. I used HFboards awful search function to find old Markov threads from when he returned from injury. You can thank me later. Here are some quotes:





There were also many posts saying Markov was cooked, he should be traded, etc. Just a season later, Markov was back to playing at an elite level. So much so that letting him walk in 2017 is now considered to be one of Marc Bergevin's worst moves as GM.

So before you trash Kirby Dach and call him a lazy good for nothing bum. Before you call to trade him and fill that void with some random prospect. Take a deep breath, do some research, try to think it through a little bit. Let's give Dach the time he needs. He's shown us before what he's capable of, let's give him a reasonable amount of time/chance to get back to that point.

Rant over!!!

The same guys love RHP and Roy, we have a lotta odd hottakes here. Big guys take time, Slaf is hot garbage too right now. We don't want another LeClair incident, let him cook here and see how he does with Laine. MSL is an awful coach anyways, he isn't helping

 

[Guy Larose]

The toxicity around Kirby Dach is pretty awful in my opinion. I wish he was playing better - I'm sure he does too - but people calling him lazy or unmotivated or soft or not caring is ridiculous. These words have never accurately described him, and it's unfair to apply them now.

I did some reading to try and understand what he's been through in the past year and a bit. An ACL tear is a traumatic injury, and the recovery process is grueling. For context:

• In the first two weeks, patients have limited standing or walking.
• Six weeks post surgery, a primary goal is to step up an 8" stair.
• At 14 weeks, the aim is to step up a 8" stair without pain.
  (Source)

The recovery isn't just physical. It takes a toll mentally. Studies show that approximately 1 in 3 athletes undergoing ACL reconstruction self-report depression - a significantly higher rate than the general population (source). Even those who don't report deperssion probably don't feel like they're thriving. It's a tough road.

And when an athlete does return, they often aren't 100%. Research highlights deficits in strength, balance, joint forces and kinesthesia for up to two years post-surgery. Additionally, many athletes develop kinesiophobia, aka fear of re-injury, post ACL-reconstruction. This hesitation can impact and delay their return to pre-injury levels. (source, source) It sounds like something you just have to play through/use to get past that feeling as well.

Given all this, I think the fans should show more patience with Kirby this season. Some of you seem to have forgotten just how hyped he was pre-injury. To jog your memory, here are a few comments from this very thread just weeks before his injury:






There are literally pages of similar praise.

His entire treatment in this situation reminds me of Andrei Markov when he returned from traumatic knee injuries. Initially, fans were just as impatient and cruel. I used HFboards awful search function to find old Markov threads from when he returned from injury. You can thank me later. Here are some quotes:





There were also many posts saying Markov was cooked, he should be traded, etc. Just a season later, Markov was back to playing at an elite level. So much so that letting him walk in 2017 is now considered to be one of Marc Bergevin's worst moves as GM.

So before you trash Kirby Dach and call him a lazy good for nothing bum. Before you call to trade him and fill that void with some random prospect. Take a deep breath, do some research, try to think it through a little bit. Let's give Dach the time he needs. He's shown us before what he's capable of, let's give him a reasonable amount of time/chance to get back to that point.

Rant over!!!

Why are you being so positive and ruining the whiners narrative?

 

[Retired]

The toxicity around Kirby Dach is pretty awful in my opinion. I wish he was playing better - I'm sure he does too - but people calling him lazy or unmotivated or soft or not caring is ridiculous. These words have never accurately described him, and it's unfair to apply them now.

I did some reading to try and understand what he's been through in the past year and a bit. An ACL tear is a traumatic injury, and the recovery process is grueling. For context:

• In the first two weeks, patients have limited standing or walking.
• Six weeks post surgery, a primary goal is to step up an 8" stair.
• At 14 weeks, the aim is to step up a 8" stair without pain.
  (Source)

The recovery isn't just physical. It takes a toll mentally. Studies show that approximately 1 in 3 athletes undergoing ACL reconstruction self-report depression - a significantly higher rate than the general population (source). Even those who don't report deperssion probably don't feel like they're thriving. It's a tough road.

And when an athlete does return, they often aren't 100%. Research highlights deficits in strength, balance, joint forces and kinesthesia for up to two years post-surgery. Additionally, many athletes develop kinesiophobia, aka fear of re-injury, post ACL-reconstruction. This hesitation can impact and delay their return to pre-injury levels. (source, source) It sounds like something you just have to play through/use to get past that feeling as well.

Given all this, I think the fans should show more patience with Kirby this season. Some of you seem to have forgotten just how hyped he was pre-injury. To jog your memory, here are a few comments from this very thread just weeks before his injury:






There are literally pages of similar praise.

His entire treatment in this situation reminds me of Andrei Markov when he returned from traumatic knee injuries. Initially, fans were just as impatient and cruel. I used HFboards awful search function to find old Markov threads from when he returned from injury. You can thank me later. Here are some quotes:





There were also many posts saying Markov was cooked, he should be traded, etc. Just a season later, Markov was back to playing at an elite level. So much so that letting him walk in 2017 is now considered to be one of Marc Bergevin's worst moves as GM.

So before you trash Kirby Dach and call him a lazy good for nothing bum. Before you call to trade him and fill that void with some random prospect. Take a deep breath, do some research, try to think it through a little bit. Let's give Dach the time he needs. He's shown us before what he's capable of, let's give him a reasonable amount of time/chance to get back to that point.

Rant over!!!

I don’t feel Dach has 20% of Markov’s talent or iq, but ok.

All these convos assume he’s either 2c, 1rw or off the team. He can play bottom 6 wing and not be a lesser person for it lol. He made the nhl, that’s very rare, we can spare the tears I think.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The toxicity around Kirby Dach is pretty awful in my opinion. I wish he was playing better - I'm sure he does too - but people calling him lazy or unmotivated or soft or not caring is ridiculous. These words have never accurately described him, and it's unfair to apply them now.

I did some reading to try and understand what he's been through in the past year and a bit. An ACL tear is a traumatic injury, and the recovery process is grueling. For context:

• In the first two weeks, patients have limited standing or walking.
• Six weeks post surgery, a primary goal is to step up an 8" stair.
• At 14 weeks, the aim is to step up a 8" stair without pain.
  (Source)

The recovery isn't just physical. It takes a toll mentally. Studies show that approximately 1 in 3 athletes undergoing ACL reconstruction self-report depression - a significantly higher rate than the general population (source). Even those who don't report deperssion probably don't feel like they're thriving. It's a tough road.

And when an athlete does return, they often aren't 100%. Research highlights deficits in strength, balance, joint forces and kinesthesia for up to two years post-surgery. Additionally, many athletes develop kinesiophobia, aka fear of re-injury, post ACL-reconstruction. This hesitation can impact and delay their return to pre-injury levels. (source, source) It sounds like something you just have to play through/use to get past that feeling as well.

Given all this, I think the fans should show more patience with Kirby this season. Some of you seem to have forgotten just how hyped he was pre-injury. To jog your memory, here are a few comments from this very thread just weeks before his injury:






There are literally pages of similar praise.

His entire treatment in this situation reminds me of Andrei Markov when he returned from traumatic knee injuries. Initially, fans were just as impatient and cruel. I used HFboards awful search function to find old Markov threads from when he returned from injury. You can thank me later. Here are some quotes:





There were also many posts saying Markov was cooked, he should be traded, etc. Just a season later, Markov was back to playing at an elite level. So much so that letting him walk in 2017 is now considered to be one of Marc Bergevin's worst moves as GM.

So before you trash Kirby Dach and call him a lazy good for nothing bum. Before you call to trade him and fill that void with some random prospect. Take a deep breath, do some research, try to think it through a little bit. Let's give Dach the time he needs. He's shown us before what he's capable of, let's give him a reasonable amount of time/chance to get back to that point.

Rant over!!!

I thought Markov was done. No way he was going to come back from that.

He came back better than ever.

I suppose we have to be more patient. I was expecting so much more but maybe I shouldn’t have.

Regardless, we need another center who can carry the load. We can’t trust Dach to be the guy. And God help us if Suzuki gets hurt.

 

[badfish]

I don’t feel Dach has 20% of Markov’s talent or iq, but ok.

All these convos assume he’s either 2c, 1rw or off the team. He can play bottom 6 wing and not be a lesser person for it lol. He made the nhl, that’s very rare, we can spare the tears I think.

I think you missed some of the main points of that post. Markov was a great player no doubt. But at the same age as Dach is now (23), Markov split his season between the NHL and the AHL. He didn't fully break out until 3-4 seasons later.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

It’s just the endless catastrophizing lol.

We have Hutson, Demidov and Laine. Those 3 alone are more elite talent this team has had in 30+ years and then you still have Batman and Robin hovering around a PPG. It’s an amazing core. Dach and Slaf can be way better and we still have plenty of other prospects.

Monty looks great. Guhle’s a defensive stud. Newhook has a really good pedigree and seems to be turning it around. Xhekaj is building his game. Heineman’s looking great for a rookie. Anderson and Gallagher have turned it around. Even Matheson seems to be looking pretty solid of late.

There’s tons of positives. We got a few more high picks coming our way. People acting like it’s never been worse when it’s the exact opposite is insane but this fan base never surprises me lol

 

[Guy Larose]

It’s just the endless catastrophizing lol.

We have Hutson, Demidov and Laine. Those 3 alone are more elite talent this team has had in 30+ years and then you still have Batman and Robin hovering around a PPG. It’s an amazing core. Dach and Slaf can be way better and we still have plenty of other prospects.

Monty looks great. Guhle’s a defensive stud. Newhook has a really good pedigree and seems to be turning it around. Xhekaj is building his game. Heineman’s looking great for a rookie. Anderson and Gallagher have turned it around. Even Matheson seems to be looking pretty solid of late.

There’s tons of positives. We got a few more high picks coming our way. People acting like it’s never been worse when it’s the exact opposite is insane but this fan base never surprises me lol

I can't take all this positivity today, I need a drink.

 

[Rapala]

Should’ve drew a penalty his next rush after that one too.

He’s been a mixed bag from what I’ve seen. I think it’s gonna be slow incremental progress all season long not unlike Caufield.

I think the one difference is Caufield never played a physical game to begin with.
Cole was able to reinvent himself as a player from the outset because he could still skate at 100%.
So while his shooting suffered and he was not as traffic bound he did other things to help his game.
It probably made him a more rounded player today and I find him at his best when his scoring is balanced with decent play making.

Dach has no such luxury with a recovering knee so hopefully the improvements we see continue because they are evident.
We know he sees the ice well so he just needs to find a way to execute that split second quicker because it will make all the difference in the world.
It's absurd for anyone to think that ability goes away with a knee injury.

 

[BLONG7]

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Dach couldn't contain himself , had to sneak in a sniff for good measure , that's love. You know they kissed after the game for sure

The bromance has begun....

I thought Markov was done. No way he was going to come back from that.

He came back better than ever.

I suppose we have to be more patient. I was expecting so much more but maybe I shouldn’t have.

Regardless, we need another center who can carry the load. We can’t trust Dach to be the guy. And God help us if Suzuki gets hurt.

Patience is a tough one around here.....understandably.

 

[Retired]

I think you missed some of the main points of that post. Markov was a great player no doubt. But at the same age as Dach is now (23), Markov split his season between the NHL and the AHL. He didn't fully break out until 3-4 seasons later.

Split between the nhl and ahl is where struggling players should totally be playing, not 2c (or 1ld in Markov’s case).

 

[Adriatic]

The second line just ain't working out 5 on 5 at the moment. I think I would rather see Dach play out the year with Suzuki and Caufield on the first line and let Newhook play center on the second line.

 

[HuGort]

Happy for him, he was due for a goal, but his game was, otherwise, not very good
Bad penality and bad pass that caused a turnover
Hopefully he'll turn it around

He's playing scared. Took a lot of injuries, he's in fear of another

 

[Ozmodiar]

The second line just ain't working out 5 on 5 at the moment. I think I would rather see Dach play out the year with Suzuki and Caufield on the first line and let Newhook play center on the second line.

Prior to last season Hughes said he already knew that the line works. That it was time to see him at center. That lasted less than 2 games.

The season might be more about determining needs rather than going with what works.

 

[Habssince89]

The toxicity around Kirby Dach is pretty awful in my opinion. I wish he was playing better - I'm sure he does too - but people calling him lazy or unmotivated or soft or not caring is ridiculous. These words have never accurately described him, and it's unfair to apply them now.

I did some reading to try and understand what he's been through in the past year and a bit. An ACL tear is a traumatic injury, and the recovery process is grueling. For context:

• In the first two weeks, patients have limited standing or walking.
• Six weeks post surgery, a primary goal is to step up an 8" stair.
• At 14 weeks, the aim is to step up a 8" stair without pain.
  (Source)

The recovery isn't just physical. It takes a toll mentally. Studies show that approximately 1 in 3 athletes undergoing ACL reconstruction self-report depression - a significantly higher rate than the general population (source). Even those who don't report deperssion probably don't feel like they're thriving. It's a tough road.

And when an athlete does return, they often aren't 100%. Research highlights deficits in strength, balance, joint forces and kinesthesia for up to two years post-surgery. Additionally, many athletes develop kinesiophobia, aka fear of re-injury, post ACL-reconstruction. This hesitation can impact and delay their return to pre-injury levels. (source, source) It sounds like something you just have to play through/use to get past that feeling as well.

Given all this, I think the fans should show more patience with Kirby this season. Some of you seem to have forgotten just how hyped he was pre-injury. To jog your memory, here are a few comments from this very thread just weeks before his injury:






There are literally pages of similar praise.

His entire treatment in this situation reminds me of Andrei Markov when he returned from traumatic knee injuries. Initially, fans were just as impatient and cruel. I used HFboards awful search function to find old Markov threads from when he returned from injury. You can thank me later. Here are some quotes:





There were also many posts saying Markov was cooked, he should be traded, etc. Just a season later, Markov was back to playing at an elite level. So much so that letting him walk in 2017 is now considered to be one of Marc Bergevin's worst moves as GM.

So before you trash Kirby Dach and call him a lazy good for nothing bum. Before you call to trade him and fill that void with some random prospect. Take a deep breath, do some research, try to think it through a little bit. Let's give Dach the time he needs. He's shown us before what he's capable of, let's give him a reasonable amount of time/chance to get back to that point.

Rant over!!!

we need more posters like you. The trolls will hunt for any traction - Slafkovsky, Dach, MSL, Suzuki have all been unfairly maligned and guys like Matheson or Newhook get exaggerated criticism.

Some posters only care about complaining, not you though! Good on you

 

[boompuffboom]

heres what i think 77 needs to do.

focus + work + lock in.

he's improving, still a bit fuzzy, its coming back.
i believe.

 

[SlafySZN]

He’s starting to look more and more like himself. Still ways to go but he’s fine, I think he’ll have a much better 2nd half of the season.