Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

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On pace means very little to me as it can't fully account for hot and cold streak variances depending on when the player is injured. I think he hits 50 fully this year.
People slotting him for a free 60 points....like do they not realize the team we have been cheering for our whole lives:help:. Sure he has the talent to do it , but doing it? Ill believe when I see it loll , just like the caufield is a 50 goal scorer takes I see in here

That would be dissapointing unless he misses a good chunk of time due to injury.

He was at nearly a 60pt pace last year, @21 - on a new team already not a playoff contender that deadly with major injury rash to both top 6 & top 4.

Anything short of a 60+ point pace would be a step backwards. Healthy, he's going to push 70+ if he has a "good" year
70 points???? Like for free??? That easy?? In Montreal?? You guys are optimistic , I love Dach but I don't know man
 
People slotting him for a free 60 points....like do they not realize the team we have been cheering for our whole lives:help:. Sure he has the talent to do it , but doing it? Ill believe when I see it loll , just like the caufield is a 50 goal scorer takes I see in here


70 points???? Like for free??? That easy?? In Montreal?? You guys are optimistic , I love Dach but I don't know man

I'm not sure I said he would "easily" hit that?

He paced 57 pts (.7ppg) last year. New team, coach, system et. The team was gutted by injuries and was a weak roster to start with.

What would you consider a "good" season for him? At 22-23, not at all unreasonable that he has a worse or similar ppg year, but I'd say that would not be a "good" season, and I would bet that he'd agree.

So what's the pace of a good year? 60 (.73ppg) ? 65 (.79 ppg)?

Is 70 (.85ppg) a great year?

It's a bit semantic at that point. I guess I just think that his play last year was even better than his production, especially as he got comfortable and earned more ice time.
So I'd be surprised if he didn't make a bigger year over year simply from the improved comfort level & likelyhood that he'll be getting 19-20+ min a game out the gate...
If the team is not as ravaged by injuries again, that's another small bump...

That's why I think his ppg going up at least ~.05-.07 would be expected if he has even a decent year.

A good year would be a big jump, in that +.1-.15 increase range... Which is .8-.85ppg, or a 65-70pt pace.

Some will point out that "pace" isn't the same as actually hitting the number, which I fully agree. Injuries are always a factor, which is why I'm talking about his ppg pace, bc if he does miss time, what he shows while in the lineup is what we'll have to evaluate his season on.
 
Then he should have no problem hitting 50 this year. Like I said, I take pace with a massive grain of salt. I'll wait until I see it. If he hits 60+ this year, I'd be happy to be wrong.
If he hits only 50 points I think many fans will see that as a disappointment and not progression. He is too talented to be only a 50 point player. Hopefully he stays healthy.
 
If he hits only 50 points I think many fans will see that as a disappointment and not progression. He is too talented to be only a 50 point player. Hopefully he stays healthy.
If he gets paired with Caufield, his point totals will greatly increase. He was great with Suzuki and CC last year. He made them a lot better and vice versa.

It really comes down to the wingers he gets. CC is a legit first liner. If they get paired, I think Dach might hit 70. But I don’t see it happening without him.
 
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If he gets paired with Caufield, his point totals will greatly increase. He was great with Suzuki and CC last year. He made them a lot better and vice versa.

It really comes down to the wingers he gets. CC is a legit first liner. If they get paired, I think Dach might hit 70. But I don’t see it happening without him.
I want Dach with CC. I really liked the chemistry between Suzuki and RHP the last part of the year, i would start them together. I would try Slaf with Suz and RHP to bring some size and Newhook with Dach and CC.
 
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It's definitely NOT going to be Armia lol

They'll put Anderson again easily before they even THINK of trying Armia there

They also know, At any given time , Dach can be RW1, and Monahan 2C
I just don't like Anderson with those two, I find his style of play doesn't mesh well.

And hopefully they keep Dach at center for the whole year instead of yoyoing him.

The camp can't start soon enough!
 
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I just don't like Anderson with those two, I find his style of play doesn't mesh well.

And hopefully they keep Dach at center for the whole year instead of yoyoing him.

The camp can't start soon enough!

I agree they shouldn’t put Anderson with Suzuki and Caufield on the top line and Dach needs to play centre. But I really hope they have a better option on the top line than a player that has consistently put up 14 point season the last few years and is often injured.

Right now one of the biggest holes in the organization is players that can play in the top 6. IMO, they have 3 players that are part of their future core that can play there. I’m hopeful Newhook and Slafkovsky are also able to show they can play there at some point as well.
 
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If he hits only 50 points I think many fans will see that as a disappointment and not progression. He is too talented to be only a 50 point player. Hopefully he stays healthy.
I mean a year ago his career high was 26 points. He looked like he was starting to put it together late last year. 50 points would be a wonderful step forward.
 
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I want Dach with CC. I really liked the chemistry between Suzuki and RHP the last part of the year, i would start them together. I would try Slaf with Suz and RHP to bring some size and Newhook with Dach and CC.
Slaf is not ready for such a big role. I would rather he would be groomed with Monahan and Gallagher.

The way I see it our top 3 lines should be something like:
Newhook, Dach, Caufield
RHP, Suzuki, Anderson
Slafkowski, Monahan, Gallagher
 
I just want to see Dach continue to build on that confidence he showed down the stretch. 50 pts, 60 pts, 70 pts, he just needs to do his thing.

And stay healthy, obviously…
And that's precisely what Suzuki has done over the last four years; 41 in 71 games, 41 in 56 games, 61 in 82 games, 66 in 82 games...

Now, some posters wantCaufield with Dach instead of building on Suzuki'sgradual and constant growth.

Sure, there was chemistry at the end of last season with RHP, Suzuki and Anderson, but that was all in a losing cause and isn't likely the best two players to play with Suzuki in the hopes of seeing him reach new heights in terms of point production.

I say, let's give Suzuki a chance to become a 70+ point producer this upcoming season and, who knows, perhaps, even, a PPG Center if the Habs remain relatively healthy.

We'd have seen Suzuki go from40 points to 50 points (41 in 56, prorated), to 60 points, to mid-60 points, to 70+ points.

Dach will have gone from 26 in 70 games to 38 in 56 games (50ish points if prorated) and confirming 50+ points in70 games or so would be excellent as another step forward for the 6'4" Center.

Who are the best wingers to help both Suzuki and Dach continue to progress as they should, solidifying their worth as top-6 Cs?

Does Montreal have enough of those top-6 wingers to achieve this?

I don't think they legitimately do if you look at where all the other youngsters arena their progression, motif you are looking at Suzuki - Dach - Monahan, all at Center and expect Newhook to get every chance to be a top-6 winger.

I don't think that Anderson is a legitimate top-6 winger. Nor is RHP, or Slafkovsky, at this stage of his development.

Top-6 players on the team, right now, are Caufield, Suzuki, Monahan and Dach,maybe Newhook if he takes the next step forward in his development with more choice TOI and a coach willing to let him play to his strengths as a puck carrier into the O-zone, rather than as strictly a forechecking, dump and chase forward, in an energy role with lesser line mates and near zero PP time, as we saw in Colorado.

I'll bite and say that Newhook, in Montreal, under MSL, quickly proves he is a top-6 winger.

That still leaves us with one too few top-6 players to help both Dach and Suzuki continue to progress as they should.

That's why I suggest reuniting the first line of Caufield - Suzuki - Dach, all in the hopes of promoting both players' development, and I wholeheartedly disagree with anyone that suggests this would harm Dach's development as a Center.

Dach carries the puck on this line and is often the one gaining the O-Zone. Ipso facto, he is the one driving play on this line, at least until the trio sets up in the O-Zone.

Dach might not get a regular draw in the F/O circle with Suzuki on board his line, but he will see some F/O action, from time to time, no doubt.

Defensively, depending on whilst had the puck when the puck moves back to the opposing team, Dach and Suzuki will both need to handle C duties on the back check, according to who sets up first in their own zone.

Dach will constantly be tasked with Center missions on a productive offensive line that must face off against the opponents' best players.

IMO, allowing both Suzuki and Dach to improve their point production by playing together will only help Dach gain in confidence heading forward and, as seen last season before his injury, enable him to take charge of his line when he returns to center.

Next year, some talented players will assist both Suzuki and Dach on the wing, with both players pivoting a line of their own, perhaps with Roy having gained valuable pro experience and now being ready to contribute at the NHL level in an offensive role.

Perhaps Monahan will make a case for himself and even remain a Hab on a mid-term contract heading forward. He might play as a top-6 winger or anchor the third line as a veteran to prop up Beck in his first steps as an NHL center?

Still, this year, let Caufield, Suzuki and Dach continue to grow together while Monahan is healthy and allow Slafkovsky to have the top-6 minutes of the top-6 forward we currently lack:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Slafkovsky - Monahan - Newhook
RHP - Dvorak - Anderson
Armia - Evans - Gallagher

IMO, that allows the youngsters on Suzuki's line to keep gaining in confidence and continue to establish themselves as legitimate top-line players.

It gives Slafkovsky a skilled, calming presence on his line in Monahan and a two-way winger with offensive upside, in Newhook, that brings an element od speed to this trio.

RHP and Anderson can continue to exploit the chemistry that they found playing together at the end of last season.

The veteran line of Armia - Evans and Gallagher can provide a worthwhile forechecking line that can hem opponents in their own zone furlong periods of ttime, playing a solid puck possession game and providing timely complementary scoring.

In the new year, players like Heineman and Roy, maybe, can get a taste the NHL?
 
And that's precisely what Suzuki has done over the last four years; 41 in 71 games, 41 in 56 games, 61 in 82 games, 66 in 82 games...

Now, some posters wantCaufield with Dach instead of building on Suzuki'sgradual and constant growth.

Sure, there was chemistry at the end of last season with RHP, Suzuki and Anderson, but that was all in a losing cause and isn't likely the best two players to play with Suzuki in the hopes of seeing him reach new heights in terms of point production.

I say, let's give Suzuki a chance to become a 70+ point producer this upcoming season and, who knows, perhaps, even, a PPG Center if the Habs remain relatively healthy.

We'd have seen Suzuki go from40 points to 50 points (41 in 56, prorated), to 60 points, to mid-60 points, to 70+ points.

Dach will have gone from 26 in 70 games to 38 in 56 games (50ish points if prorated) and confirming 50+ points in70 games or so would be excellent as another step forward for the 6'4" Center.

Who are the best wingers to help both Suzuki and Dach continue to progress as they should, solidifying their worth as top-6 Cs?

Does Montreal have enough of those top-6 wingers to achieve this?

I don't think they legitimately do if you look at where all the other youngsters arena their progression, motif you are looking at Suzuki - Dach - Monahan, all at Center and expect Newhook to get every chance to be a top-6 winger.

I don't think that Anderson is a legitimate top-6 winger. Nor is RHP, or Slafkovsky, at this stage of his development.

Top-6 players on the team, right now, are Caufield, Suzuki, Monahan and Dach,maybe Newhook if he takes the next step forward in his development with more choice TOI and a coach willing to let him play to his strengths as a puck carrier into the O-zone, rather than as strictly a forechecking, dump and chase forward, in an energy role with lesser line mates and near zero PP time, as we saw in Colorado.

I'll bite and say that Newhook, in Montreal, under MSL, quickly proves he is a top-6 winger.

That still leaves us with one too few top-6 players to help both Dach and Suzuki continue to progress as they should.

That's why I suggest reuniting the first line of Caufield - Suzuki - Dach, all in the hopes of promoting both players' development, and I wholeheartedly disagree with anyone that suggests this would harm Dach's development as a Center.

Dach carries the puck on this line and is often the one gaining the O-Zone. Ipso facto, he is the one driving play on this line, at least until the trio sets up in the O-Zone.

Dach might not get a regular draw in the F/O circle with Suzuki on board his line, but he will see some F/O action, from time to time, no doubt.

Defensively, depending on whilst had the puck when the puck moves back to the opposing team, Dach and Suzuki will both need to handle C duties on the back check, according to who sets up first in their own zone.

Dach will constantly be tasked with Center missions on a productive offensive line that must face off against the opponents' best players.

IMO, allowing both Suzuki and Dach to improve their point production by playing together will only help Dach gain in confidence heading forward and, as seen last season before his injury, enable him to take charge of his line when he returns to center.

Next year, some talented players will assist both Suzuki and Dach on the wing, with both players pivoting a line of their own, perhaps with Roy having gained valuable pro experience and now being ready to contribute at the NHL level in an offensive role.

Perhaps Monahan will make a case for himself and even remain a Hab on a mid-term contract heading forward. He might play as a top-6 winger or anchor the third line as a veteran to prop up Beck in his first steps as an NHL center?

Still, this year, let Caufield, Suzuki and Dach continue to grow together while Monahan is healthy and allow Slafkovsky to have the top-6 minutes of the top-6 forward we currently lack:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Slafkovsky - Monahan - Newhook
RHP - Dvorak - Anderson
Armia - Evans - Gallagher

IMO, that allows the youngsters on Suzuki's line to keep gaining in confidence and continue to establish themselves as legitimate top-line players.

It gives Slafkovsky a skilled, calming presence on his line in Monahan and a two-way winger with offensive upside, in Newhook, that brings an element od speed to this trio.

RHP and Anderson can continue to exploit the chemistry that they found playing together at the end of last season.

The veteran line of Armia - Evans and Gallagher can provide a worthwhile forechecking line that can hem opponents in their own zone furlong periods of ttime, playing a solid puck possession game and providing timely complementary scoring.

In the new year, players like Heineman and Roy, maybe, can get a taste the NHL?
Pretty sure kent want Dach to play as a center. Is also going to be Monahan last year with the habs. The main problem is putting Newhook and Caufield on the same line. I can also see Gally starting in the third line and RHP in the fourth or the second line. It will depend , if Slaf can play in the top 6(this year).

Caufield - Suzuki - Newhook
Slafkovsky - Dach- Monahan (take some face off from Dach)
Gally- Dvorak - Anderson
Armia - Evans - RHP/Ylonen

Hopefully, Dach take the next step and become a elite player(70+).
 
Pretty sure kent want Dach to play as a center. Is also going to be Monahan last year with the habs. The main problem is putting Newhook and Caufield on the same line. I can also see Gally starting in the third line and RHP in the fourth or the second line. It will depend , if Slaf can play in the top 6(this year).

Caufield - Suzuki - Newhook
Slafkovsky - Dach- Monahan (take some face off from Dach)
Gally- Dvorak - Anderson
Armia - Evans - RHP/Ylonen

Hopefully, Dach take the next step and become a elite player(70+).
I think that happens this year if he plays on Suzuki's wing on a line with Caufield. I can see Suzuki being a PPG C,dach a 70-point RW and Caufield a near70-point LW.

As a C on a line with Slafkovsky and Monahan, this year, I don't see Dach reaching that milestone.

I think it is important to cater to all three of Caufield, Suzuki and Dach's progression this season and we can take advantage of having Monahan around (as a legitimate 2nd line C to support Suzuki) in order to let Dach produce on Suzuki's wing, build his confidence and return to C as an established, productive forward the following season when Monahan is likely gone and Beckhandles third line duties as pivot to help support Dach in his role as a 2nd line C.

By then, we can only hope that another winger is ready to replicate Dach's role as a RW for Suzuki.

If not, Hughes can surely trade for such a winger, within the younger core's demographics, having, at that point, the resources to engineer such a trade and the taproom to lethal happen.
 
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I think that happens this year if he plays on Suzuki's wing on a line with Caufield. I can see Suzuki being a PPG C,dach a 70-point RW and Caufield a near70-point LW.

As a C on a line with Slafkovsky and Monahan, this year, I don't see Dach reaching that milestone.

I think it is important to cater to all three of Caufield, Suzuki and Dach's progression this season and we can take advantage of having Monahan around (as a legitimate 2nd line C to support Suzuki) in order to let Dach produce on Suzuki's wing, build his confidence and return to C as an established, productive forward the following season when Monahan is likely gone and Beckhandles third line duties as pivot to help support Dach in his role as a 2nd line C.

By then, we can only hope that another winger is ready to replicate Dach's role as a RW for Suzuki.

If not, Hughes can surely trade for such a winger, within the younger core's demographics, having, at that point, the resources to engineer such a trade and the taproom to lethal happen.
I understand your point. C-S-D is a good first line in the NHL. But you have to think about the future of the Habs. With out Dach, we don't have a single second center with the habs. This is why is very important for Dach to progress as a center. Dvorak is barely a third center. Evans is a fourth line center. Monahan is gone after this year. We will be lucky, if he plays 60 games this year.

This is how i see in the next 5 years.

Suzuki
Dach
Beck
Evans
 
I understand your point. C-S-D is a good first line in the NHL. But you have to think about the future of the Habs. With out Dach, we don't have a single second center with the habs. This is why is very important for Dach to progress as a center. Dvorak is barely a third center. Evans is a fourth line center. Monahan is gone after this year. We will be lucky, if he plays 60 games this year.

This is how i see in the next 5 years.

Suzuki
Dach
Beck
Evans
I see it as well, but I just don't think that playing Dach at C to start the season, while Monahan is still here, his essential. He can take over that role full time once Monahan is traded at the deadline.

At that point, the Caufield - Suzuki - Dach trio can become limited to the first PP wave.

Dach, having produced like a 1st line forward will be full of confidence as the filling in 2nd line C. Prospects having progressed in Laval can also step in to fill the roster after the trade deadline; Heineman, Roy?

After this season, or after the trade deadline, I also see a top-9 C-line of Suzuki - Dach - Beck, with Suzuki and Dach becoming 1A-1B Centers with different strengths matching up best against certain opponents..

I'm not as sold on Evans lasting much longer as the Habs' 4th line C and think that Kidney or Kapanen could eventually step into that role.

I don't think Evans will be around 5 years.
 
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I see it as well, but I just don't think that playing Dach at C to start the season, while Monahan is still here, his essential. He can take over that role full time once Monahan is traded at the deadline.

At that point, the Caufield - Suzuki - Dach trio can become limited to the first PP wave.

Dach, having produced like a 1st line forward will be full of confidence as the filling in 2nd line C. Prospects having progressed in Laval can also step in to fill the roster after the trade deadline; Heineman, Roy?
Honestly the answer is pretty simple: split Suzuki and Caufield. They can still remain friends off the ice and wear their matching outfits, all while tearing up the PP together. However for the sake of development and team chemistry, they shouldn't play together at 5-on-5. I mean, I would find it hard to believe that Chris Boucher hasn't mentioned this to HuGo/MSL. The good thing is that Newhook is average defensively and should be better for Suzuki. They can roll with 2 pairs;

Newhook - Suzuki
Dach - Caufield

And then test out combinations for the remaining spots: Anderson, Monahan, RHP, Slaf, Rookies, etc. I'd settle for

Newhook - Suzuki - Anderson
Monahan - Dach - Caufield
RHP - Dvorak - Slaf

To start the year, and hopefully Slaf shows he can replace Monahan after the deadline.
 
Pretty sure kent want Dach to play as a center. Is also going to be Monahan last year with the habs. The main problem is putting Newhook and Caufield on the same line. I can also see Gally starting in the third line and RHP in the fourth or the second line. It will depend , if Slaf can play in the top 6(this year).

Caufield - Suzuki - Newhook
Slafkovsky - Dach- Monahan (take some face off from Dach)
Gally- Dvorak - Anderson
Armia - Evans - RHP/Ylonen

Hopefully, Dach take the next step and become an elite player(70+).
That first line is pretty small.

Right now we should be experimenting. Try CC with Dach, see how it goes. Put him with Suzuki in different combos… see how it goes. I don’t think CC needs to be married to any one center. Maybe Slaf can get some time in the top six as well. If we’re going to keep him in the NHL, might as well be with our best players.
 
If he hits only 50 points I think many fans will see that as a disappointment and not progression. He is too talented to be only a 50 point player. Hopefully he stays healthy.
Yeah I could see that happening. The reality is there are only a certain number of points to go around on a rebuilding team. Suzuki at 70 and Dach at 50 is already a big improvement on what we've been used to seeing. Their 104* combined points last season was only bested by Plek and DD in 13/14 who scored a 108 points. They can do better but Dach needs to put in a full season at C to compare. I like to taper expectations and set realistic goals. A wise man once told me never set your goals too high it's better to set goals you can reach and exceed those expectations...
(Thanks Dad)

I don't think 120 would be a fail but a combined 130-140 points would be awesome.
 
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