Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Ozmodiar]

It's kinda weird, he did power skating this summer, so in theory he shouldn't look that off in his skating.

There’s only so much power skating can do if he’s limited by his knee.
Hopefully he’ll get that burst back this season.

 

[Andrei79]

It's kinda weird, he did power skating this summer, so in theory he shouldn't look that off in his skating.

Which NHLers don't do some form of power skating in the summer ?

 

[overlords]

It's kinda weird, he did power skating this summer, so in theory he shouldn't look that off in his skating.

He also seems to have cultivated a bit of mass. Might be a weight/cardio thing on top of rust/timing/not trusting the knee 100% yet thing

 

[WeThreeKings]

You can do all you want in the Summer.. it's like Caufield taking a bunch of shots when recovered, if the joint/ligament needs recovery time to be back to 100% even if you can play with it and not risk re-injury, it's not going to output the same power or efficiency.

 

[morhilane]

Which NHLers don't do some form of power skating in the summer ?

A lots of them, going by Habs prospects stories and players looking slower years after years before they turn 30...

In Dach cases, it was probably part of his "getting back into shape" plans. Saying that, I read today that he's playing with a knee brace. That explains why he's always falling down along the boards and some of the lack of mobility.

 

[Benstheman]

Confidence is everything. His timing is just off and is behind the play most of the time. It will come back with a lot of practice and ice time. Only thing he has to do is work hard all the time.

The other thing is Dach knows he still isn't established in this league. He still needs to prove himself alot. Put extra pressure on him.

 

[CAUFIELD]

It's kinda weird, he did power skating this summer, so in theory he shouldn't look that off in his skating.

I had ACL + meniscus surgery playing college football 7 years ago . That surgery makes you lose a bit a speed for sure , but lots of flexibility , souplesse and agility.

Losing just 5 % of those traits can transform a good player to an ordinary . The difference between an all star and a regular player is often just details.

It’s not because it’s a common surgery that it ain’t a big career disruptor.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

From February 15, 2023 to up to this October, Dach played a total of 6 games. Not a surprise that a 23 year old who played 6 games in 18 months is off to a slow start and struggling.

The good thing is he has occasionally shown some plays where he looks like the Dach pre-injuries. At this point the best thing could be to keep on the wing until he gets some confidence back offensively.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

Dont think his skating has been the problem at all, my issues are puck management

He is forcing pucks through seams that arent there

 

[KevSkillz4]

I think he need 20-25 games to be himself again.

I'm not worried at all, he don't lose his talent, he just lose 1 year of hockey, that's huge.

 

[Rapala]

Remember last year when everyone said that ACL injuries were “no big deal” anymore and that he would likely come back better and stronger

He hasn’t looked good since he had to fight for himself after taking a dirty hit in preseason, no fire yet.

Surgery is a bitch and not all players respond well or immediately.
18 months and some estimations go as high as two years before full strength is realized.
For me Caufield only became himself in the last 10 games or so last season and that was a shoulder.

I have no idea what Dach's skating will end up looking like.
The reality is the league is full of players who were never quite the same after knee surgery.
Koivu and even Galchenyuk as forwards and Markov on D in our own backyard.
It is never a good thing there just aren't that many Bobby Orr's out there but then again he could play on one leg.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Dont think his skating has been the problem at all, my issues are puck management

He is forcing pucks through seams that arent there

Trying to do too much , at the same time keeping it simple will do nothing for him on this god forsaken team right now , tough line to balance.

Let's give him some time

 

[Nevins]

Denis Gauthier mentioned to @TonyMarinaro that it took him 18 months to feel like himself again on the ice after his knee surgery.We'll have to be patient with Kirby Dach (and David Reinbacher).And Patrik Laine, even though he didn't have surgery.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1847312060406730839

 

[ChikN]

I don't think it's just the knee, I think his whole body will need time to get back to elite athlete levels. It would be a mistake to evaluate him as a player in these circumstances.

Maybe insulate him on a wing for a couple of months? Does the reconditioning stints in the AHL still exist? Could've been a good idea to send him there to start the season, but that's hindsight.

It'll take a while.

 

[Mad]

Physically, I feel he looks like himself. He’s been strong along the boards and seems to be winning most battles for the puck. And you can see the effort on the ice, he’s not just floating around.

He usually is a better playmaker, but clearly as been struggling of late. Might be the time he need to get back into the tempo of the game.

He was never really a goal scorer but need to take more shot, he’s in good position often but chooses to pass.

I’m confident he’ll be back on track, eye test on most part have looked pretty good so I’m not worried

 

[Skip Bayless]

I'm not absolute ass anymore.

 

[Boyon90]

I dont get the critiques against dach over the seasons start, he playing good he jus had shitty linemates until just recent

 

[KevSkillz4]

I dont get the critiques against dach over the seasons start, he playing good he jus had shitty linemates until just recent

100%

Dach is a just insane player to watch. His defensive game, top notch. His offensive game, top notch aswell.

 

[morhilane]

I dont get the critiques against dach over the seasons start, he playing good he jus had shitty linemates until just recent

His timing was all off and he had low confidence (normal after a long rehab). His timing was coming back, but the confidence required playing with better players.

Hopefully, he can get going by himself by next week on the 2nd line.

 

[salbutera]

Dach seems to be starting to find his groove…

 

[Noble]

Woah he plays with good players and produces who would have thought

 

[Gally11]

77 is back

 

[SlafySZN]

Looks like himself more and more!

4 points in his last 3 games

 

[Andrei79]

Looks like himself more and more!

4 points in his last 3 games

This place is out of its mind with the Dach criticism. No hockey in a year. Major surgery and he doesn't even get 20-25 games to adjust.

 

[Tyson]

This place is out of its mind with the Dach criticism. No hockey in a year. Major surgery and he doesn't even get 20-25 games to adjust.