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Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

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the valiant effort said:
Even by HF standards it’s kind of unbelievable how much of the post-Dach-injury narrative completely ignores Markov’s significant loss of speed. Never mind the fact Markov had an entire accomplished career before he suffered a catastrophic injury…
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Let's be fair though. Markov had three consecutive knee injuries, the last one being the transplant from his first operation, meaning his last two injuries was the same ligament.
 
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Estimated_Prophet said:
Markov was not a better version of himself after the injuries by any stretch of the imagination. He was extremely slow but could still play at a relatively high level due to his IQ, puck skills and great defensive stick.
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Pre-injury markov was incredible. One-man show. T H E G E N E R A L

Jeffrey Steele said:
Let's be fair though. Markov had three consecutive knee injuries, the last one being the transplant from his first operation, meaning his last two injuries was the same ligament.
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let's also remember that Dach is injuring himself at a younger age and in 2023 where the sports medicine is better
 
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waitin425 said:
Worth a read....

Performance and Return to Sport After Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction in National Hockey League Players - PMC

Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) rupture is a significant injury in male National Hockey League (NHL) players. To determine (1) the return to sport (RTS) rate in the NHL following ACL reconstruction, (2) performance on RTS, and (3) the difference in ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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"100% were able to RTS(return to sport) the season after ACL reconstruction (mean, 7.8 ± 2.4 months)"

But I thought his career was over??
The doomsdayers owe me an explanation.
Naow.
 
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Redux91 said:
"100% were able to RTS(return to sport) the season after ACL reconstruction (mean, 7.8 ± 2.4 months)"

But I thought his career was over??
The doomsdayers owe me an explanation.
Naow.
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Some Doomsdayers who shall remain nameless, will simply ignore such an article as it doesn't fit their narrative. They either hate this team secretly or are so obsessed with being right, that they will not admit to being wrong until we are putting up another banner.
 
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waitin425 said:
Some Doomsdayers who shall remain nameless, will simply ignore such an article as it doesn't fit their narrative. They either hate this team secretly or are so obsessed with being right, that they will not admit to being wrong until we are putting up another banner.
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I have..
MANY
Receipts for the people who gave up on Kirby for next year
I'm just biding my time lol
 
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The tempered summary the findings is:

"The NHL players reviewed in this study who underwent ACL reconstruction did not see either a decline or improvement in their performance after surgery. This is a reassuring finding as surgeons would not expect to find an improvement in performance after surgery but rather hope to prevent a decline in performance. Also, despite the fact that the NHL players who underwent ACL reconstruction performed better than the control group in some performance variables after surgery, this statistic may be construed as players who have ACL reconstruction do better than those who do not. The players who had ACL reconstruction may have been more elite athletes to begin with and had not had a chance to fully develop prior to their injury. Also, in their recovery period after surgery, they are spared the rigors of playing in game situations, and so when they did return from their injury, their bodies were rested and primed for competition."

Basically, the important part, beyond the 100% return to play for NHL players in the year following the reconstructive surgery, is that, "(The players) did not see either a decline or improvement in their performance after surgery. This is a reassuring finding as surgeons would not expect to find an improvement in performance after surgery but rather hope to prevent a decline in performance.

Players basically all came back within a year and were no worse than prior to the injury.

What else do you want to feel reassured that we didn't lose Dach and his potential to become a dominant pivot forever?
 
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Redux91 said:
I have..
MANY
Receipts for the people who gave up on Kirby for next year
I'm just biding my time lol
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Scriptor said:
The tempered summary the findings is:

"The NHL players reviewed in this study who underwent ACL reconstruction did not see either a decline or improvement in their performance after surgery. This is a reassuring finding as surgeons would not expect to find an improvement in performance after surgery but rather hope to prevent a decline in performance. Also, despite the fact that the NHL players who underwent ACL reconstruction performed better than the control group in some performance variables after surgery, this statistic may be construed as players who have ACL reconstruction do better than those who do not. The players who had ACL reconstruction may have been more elite athletes to begin with and had not had a chance to fully develop prior to their injury. Also, in their recovery period after surgery, they are spared the rigors of playing in game situations, and so when they did return from their injury, their bodies were rested and primed for competition."

Basically, the important part, beyond the 100% return to play for NHL players in the year following the reconstructive surgery, is that, "(The players) did not see either a decline or improvement in their performance after surgery. This is a reassuring finding as surgeons would not expect to find an improvement in performance after surgery but rather hope to prevent a decline in performance.

Players basically all came back within a year and were no worse than prior to the injury.

What else do you want to feel reassured that we didn't lose Dach and his potential to become a dominant pivot forever?
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All thing in this comment are really a good news. He is going to be a 23 years old player when he is going to comeback to play.
 
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KevSkillz4 said:
All thing in this comment are really a good news. He is going to be a 23 years old player when he is going to comeback to play.
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It's really in your 30's whenever one of these ligaments snap it becomes more of a problem
And even then
They use a tendon that could have less wear than the one you did snap, and depending on the natural graft timeline and rehab
You really can come back just as good or better (the ligament)
 
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Redux91 said:
It's really in your 30's whenever one of these ligaments snap it becomes more of a problem
And even then
They use a tendon that could have less wear than the one you did snap, and depending on the natural graft timeline and rehab
You really can come back just as good or better (the ligament)
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Yes, agree with that. No problem with that in that range of age 20-25. 30++ that will be a problem for sure.
 
River Meadow said:
Good find. Thank you.

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This type of injury will always better for hockey players by default really

The act of planting your leg and knee into the grass/turf is MUCH more 'potentially damaging' than planting on ice, where essentially your skate is sliding (even when braking) which gives you a little 'give' compared to the PLANT plant of say like football, where there is no give and the action is more aggressive, so they end up damaging their meniscus as well
Same in basketball
All that jumping and landing
It's impossible not to tear the meniscus eventually, and in a lot of cases, the ACL too
 
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Redux91 said:
This type of injury will always better for hockey players by default really

The act of planting your leg and knee into the grass/turf is MUCH more 'potentially damaging' than planting on ice, where essentially your skate is sliding (even when braking) which gives you a little 'give' compared to the PLANT plant of say like football, where there is no give and the action is more aggressive, so they end up damaging their meniscus as well
Same in basketball
All that jumping and landing
It's impossible not to tear the meniscus eventually, and in a lot of cases, the ACL too
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Right. I read that as well, comparison of American Football to Hockey was the example I saw.

Thank god they glide on ice in hockey. :bow:
 
To try and be optimistic here, even if the Dachster loses a step, he never played a speed game, he slowed the game down when he was on. I don’t see it being as big of a deal as for a guy like Byron or a smaller dman.
 
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