Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Poor Dach and poor us

 

[the valiant effort]

Dach’s stalled development is devastating for this rebuild. We all know the Habs aren’t going to come away from the next draft with a blue chip no.1 centre. All we can do is massage our temples and hope he can return to the ice asap and keep progressing forward.

 

[jrom]

Conflicting information in that article. Root says 11/2 return, the article says “many weeks”. Looks like nobody knows yet. I’ve had a third degree strain on my knee and it took awhile and I couldn’t walk on it the first week but was back in three weeks. If that’s what they mean by bad news I’ll take it. We aren’t making the playoffs with this defense anyway.

Dvorak is the one expected to be back for November 2nd.

 

[Ozmodiar]

I'm expecting:

RHP-Suzuki-CC
Slaf-Newhook-Anderson
Pearson-Monahan-Gallagher
Pezz-Evans-Ylonen

I’m hoping that’s the plan for the 2nd line.

I’d call up Heineman to replace Andy on line 1. I doubt this happens now tho.

 

[tinyzombies]

Dvorak is the one expected to be back for November 2nd.

Ok it’s just sloppy writing in the Jiurnal article. This is clear:

 

[Wats]

I’m hoping that’s the plan for the 2nd line.

I’d call up Heineman to replace Andy on line 1. I doubt this happens now tho.

Too late, they already got him lol

 

[Habs Icing]

There goes our President trophy

I guess we'll have to settle for the Prime Minister's cup.

 

[le_sean]

Explain the science behind this theory please.

The science behind him literally getting an injury every season? Some players just have that bad luck of being brittle. Others are Nick Suzuk, Phil Kessel types. Tell me the science about Phil never getting hurt despite only eating hot dogs and not working out.

 

[Gustave]

I’m hoping that’s the plan for the 2nd line.

I’d call up Heineman to replace Andy on line 1. I doubt this happens now tho.

Heiny is injured also.

D-vo coming back « should » push Mony on the 2C spot, with Newhook back to the wing.

 

[Whitesnake]

Freak injury....See Heineman injury. Not Dach.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Dach’s stalled development is devastating for this rebuild. We all know the Habs aren’t going to come away from the next draft with a blue chip no.1 centre. All we can do is massage our temples and hope he can return to the ice asap and keep progressing forward.

It’s really disappointing. It’s hard not to be extremely concerned with his injuries at this point.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Too late, they already got him lol

Damn!

 

[FourQuarters]

What's that old Chinese proverb? Be careful what you wish for.

As a Chinese I don't know this saying. But another Chinese old saying is "Good fortune and bad fortune follow each other". Let's be optimistic and believe he'll come back stronger, maybe good fortune is waiting.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

f*** this bullshit. Should have just traded him for PLD at this point.

Yeah, I'm salty as hell about this injury and being irrational.

 

[jrom]

There goes our President trophy

can’t wait for the snooze fest Pearson-Dvorak-Gallagher

 

[morhilane]

The science behind him literally getting an injury every season? Some players just have that bad luck of being brittle. Others are Nick Suzuk, Phil Kessel types. Tell me the science about Phil never getting hurt despite only eating hot dogs and not working out.

Suzuki has pretty much played injured for stretches every seasons. Probably the same for Kessel. High pain tolerance would be my guess. No broken bones or surgery needed thought.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Back the f***-up : People on a forum have varying opinions and are sometimes wrong or sometimes right?

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If that's all you're getting from his post, you should read it again.

 

[ArtPeur]

Hopefully he comes back when Monahan will be out

 

[Runner77]

Dach’s third major injury as an NHLer, unless the news gets better somehow this week further to a more in-depth evaluation.

Assuming the injury resulted from the Tinordi hit and not something else, then it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s injury prone. The kind of contact he received on the play could have conceivably caused an injury to anyone. Likely just luck of the draw at this point.

 

[Habssince89]

sad news but just bad luck for Kirby.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Don't get me wrong, losing Dach is a complete disaster, but calling him our best player? Suzuki and CC are most definitely the better players. Can Dach become our best player? Sure, but until that happens you can't say he is.

I agree with this, but at the same time I think he was very much on the right track to becoming our 1C, at least in terms of his offensive skill.

What we have to hope for now is that the injury isn't too bad that it'll make him miss a full season and/or stall his development.

 

[McGees]

If all his injuries were to the same place I'd be more concerned tbh.
Just bad luck I think.

 

[Toene]

If that's all you're getting from his post, you should read it again.

It's virtually all he says. An arbitrary, over-simplified analysis based on subjective recollections of discussions that happened years ago. Ok, some posters liked Sekac. Some didn't. Did they offer reasons, arguments? What were they? How about threads from 10 years ago? Was the discourse really on a higher-level? Unless we know more, it's just some guy's vague opinion.

 

[JoelWarlord]

If not now, then when Joel -- tell me that.

It's whatever. I just don't really understand what you're expecting fans to have done in the Dach case to avoid incurring the "sneering optimist" label. We traded Romanov and some scrap picks and he was awesome last year and even better to start the season, and the wrist hasn't been an issue at all. The "oft-injured" label has been applied in hindsight, it wasn't true at the time of the trade. He had the big wrist injury which hasn't been a problem since, there was no prior history related to the other stuff. Should people have been sitting there in January posting "well he might look good now, and the wrist has been fine, but he could easily get a strange leg infection and then tear his ACL in game two of next season, so we should temper expectations?"

The Nazar thing is a red herring IMO. I won't pretend that I haven't been a dickhead sometimes about Wright and related forum meta-argument bullshit at times, but I'm not gonna sit here and self-flagellate about the Nazar situation because I valued a 6'4 C who was growing into a top 6 NHL role over a 5'10 winger prospect. Or because I and others made some jokes on a Habs-specific forum in the context of him being presented all summer as an ostensibly safer alternative to Dach because of the wrist injury. I have nothing against him, I think he's a good prospect, I don't think he's actually injury-prone, and I would have been perfectly fine if they made the Romanov trade specifically to draft him, I just didn't (and still wouldn't) want to pick him instead of trading for Dach.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Dach’s third major injury as an NHLer, unless the news gets better somehow this week further to a more in-depth evaluation.

Assuming the injury resulted from the Tinordi hit and not something else, then it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s injury prone. The kind of contact he received on the play could have conceivably caused an injury to anyone. Likely just luck of the draw at this point.

You could argue that he gets injured because of how implicated he is in game.