Kiprusoff out of Olympics

[guzzy]

Personally I don't want to see Kipper in finnish national team ever again.

1) The timing of his announcement, why couldn't he inform the national team few days earlier?

2) You can play NHL games but you can't play in Olympics? Fine, you have made your choice. Ruutu, Koivu, Lehtonen and Pitkänen are suffering from worse injuries and they are all planning to play in Torino. Kiprusoff's injury is mild at best, Flames could let Sauve play more games and let Kipper rest.

Thanks for everything Kipper but you're not in my national team anymore.

Did ya ever stop to think he might of just hurt it against LA?

Just a thought.

Everyone here is so quick to criticize him when he is very dedicated to his country and he is one of a very few goalies/players who can actually win this tournament on their very own as Hasek did in 98.

 

[jepjepjoo]

Lost all respect for him. This was his last chanche playing in a big tournament

Lehtonen
Toivonen
Niittymäki
Toskala
Rämö
Rask

Markkanen,Rinne etc.

We don't need him. I can't even remember all the finnish top prospect goalies

edit: btw how to hell would you get an inflammation in one game? like people are suggestin

 

[Resolute]

Did ya ever stop to think he might of just hurt it against LA?

Just a thought.

Everyone here is so quick to criticize him when he is very dedicated to his country and he is one of a very few goalies/players who can actually win this tournament on their very own as Hasek did in 98.

Actually, it has been reported that this has been a nagging injury for him.

Dont mind the Finns. They are all pissed that he chose to put his health ahead of a hockey tournament.

I guess "selfish" is a common trait in Finland.

 

[SwisshockeyAcademy]

Patrick Roy said no to Canada in 2002. There are some similarities although the posts here about Kipper seem to be even more venemous.

 

[jepjepjoo]

Actually, it has been reported that this has been a nagging injury for him.

Dont mind the Finns. They are all pissed that he chose to put his health ahead of a hockey tournament.

I guess "selfish" is a common trait in Finland.

No. Pride for your country and passion for the game are common in Finland

 

[arrbez]

Patrick Roy said no to Canada in 2002. There are some similarities although the posts here about Kipper seem to be even more venemous.

Roy's was worse, just because he was being a big baby about it.

At least Kipper may have a good reason

 

[mattihp]

Patrick Roy said no to Canada in 2002. There are some similarities although the posts here about Kipper seem to be even more venemous.

Didn't Roy feel he was too old and felt that the reign should be left to the younger, ready ones? A younger starter is not something Finland has.

 

[guzzy]

I just lost all respect for kipper, get a canadian passport and stay in calgary.

 

[arrbez]

Didn't Roy feel he was too old and felt that the reign should be left to the younger, ready ones? A younger starter is not something Finland has.

No, Roy got upset that they didn't name him the starter right off the bat, so he declined.

 

[SwisshockeyAcademy]

Roy's was worse, just because he was being a big baby about it.

At least Kipper may have a good reason

True but the similarity is the fact they both could have played if they wanted to. If Kipper wanted to play he would be playing. He does not seem to want it bad enough and perhaps made a knee jerk reaction after his bad game against LA.

 

[Resolute]

No. Pride for your country and passion for the game are common in Finland

Ok, and if Kiprusoff feels that he cannot put in enough of an effort for the Finns because of his injury that he feels it would be better for the Finnish team to go with another goaltender?

I'll say it again: your reaction is selfish. Despite all of the protestations, and all of the bragging of the Finn's goaltending future, Finlands medal hopes very likely depended on Kiprusoff playing in this tournament. You're all pissed because he has decided that those two weeks would be better off spent healing a nagging injury that evidently does need to be looked at, rather than trying to fight through it to play in a tournament, then down the stretch run and playoff race of his real job.

I can understand the disapointment that he wont be there for Finland, but he does have the right to do what he believes is best for him. Personally, I would rather he was healthy and going, because his injury is an obvious concern for my team as well.

 

[mattihp]

Ok, and if Kiprusoff feels that he cannot put in enough of an effort for the Finns because of his injury that he feels it would be better for the Finnish team to go with another goaltender?

I'll say it again: your reaction is selfish. Despite all of the protestations, and all of the bragging of the Finn's goaltending future, Finlands medal hopes very likely depended on Kiprusoff playing in this tournament. You're all pissed because he has decided that those two weeks would be better off spent healing a nagging injury that evidently does need to be looked at, rather than trying to fight through it to play in a tournament, then down the stretch run and playoff race of his real job.

I can understand the disapointment that he wont be there for Finland, but he does have the right to do what he believes is best for him. Personally, I would rather he was healthy and going, because his injury is an obvious concern for my team as well.

Did you just call the olympics a tournament? The olympics are the ground without which most professional sports leagues wouldn't exist! Now that's disrespecting something...

 

[Pepper]

Did ya ever stop to think he might of just hurt it against LA?

Yes I thought about that but since it was announced that he has been aware of the injury for a long time now, it has nothing to do with game against LA.

Everyone here is so quick to criticize him when he is very dedicated to his country and he is one of a very few goalies/players who can actually win this tournament on their very own as Hasek did in 98.

It's not about winning, it's about playing for your country. If you have a lingering injury, you fix it right away before it gets worse. You won't play for 2 months with the injury and only then allow it to heal.

Like I said, Lehtonen, Koivu, Pitkänen and Ruutu have much worse injuries to cope with and they want to play for the national team no matter what. If Kipper can't bring himself to do the same, then **** off and never expect to get to play for national team anymore.

The one thing that allows Team Finland to compete against talent-wise superior teams it's the team spirit & morale which is 2nd to none. If you don't have it, then you're not part of the team, it's simple as that.

 

[Dogbert*]

Lost all respect for him. This was his last chanche playing in a big tournament

Lehtonen
Toivonen
Niittymäki
Toskala
Rämö
Rask

Markkanen,Rinne etc.

We don't need him. I can't even remember all the finnish top prospect goalies

edit: btw how to hell would you get an inflammation in one game? like people are suggestin

And right now, Miikka Kiprusoff is better than all of them.

I don't get why some of you are acting like Kipper owes Finland anything. Reality check: it's FINLAND who owes HIM, and if Kipper doesn't want to play, then that's his decision. He's no traitor because he thinks it'd be in the best interests of the club that pays his bills if he took a break during that time and came back at 100%, or close to it, for the stretch drive.

In short, stop *****ing, because Kipper doesn't owe you a damn thing.

 

[gib]

It's not about winning, it's about playing for your country. If you have a lingering injury, you fix it right away before it gets worse. You won't play for 2 months with the injury and only then allow it to heal.

Pepper you nailed it right there!

I myself couldnt find the right words to descripe the situation, but you did it. I don`t care how we are being placed in Torino, if our guys do their best. Play with heart etc.
Kipper doesnt want to do that. That is why I am sick of this guy.

 

[PecaFan]

That is a fair comment from the Finnish/European perspective and it helps illustrate the cultural divide that seperates us.

What cultural divide? When Roy begged off the Olympics he was roasted around these parts and elsewhere in Canada as selfish, etc, just like Kipper is now. And rightly so.

Seems to me that most of his support here is from Calgary fans. What a surprise.

 

[jepjepjoo]

Ok, and if Kiprusoff feels that he cannot put in enough of an effort for the Finns because of his injury that he feels it would be better for the Finnish team to go with another goaltender?

I'll say it again: your reaction is selfish. Despite all of the protestations, and all of the bragging of the Finn's goaltending future, Finlands medal hopes very likely depended on Kiprusoff playing in this tournament. You're all pissed because he has decided that those two weeks would be better off spent healing a nagging injury that evidently does need to be looked at, rather than trying to fight through it to play in a tournament, then down the stretch run and playoff race of his real job.

I can understand the disapointment that he wont be there for Finland, but he does have the right to do what he believes is best for him. Personally, I would rather he was healthy and going, because his injury is an obvious concern for my team as well.

Actually I'm angry that he announced this after the selection...

 

[Dogbert*]

What cultural divide? When Roy begged off the Olympics he was roasted around these parts and elsewhere in Canada as selfish, etc, just like Kipper is now. And rightly so.

Seems to me that most of his support here is from Calgary fans. What a surprise.

Roy didn't go because they wouldn't name him the starter right off the bat. That's different.

It seems to me that most of his detractors here are Finns who are angry that their chances at Olympic hockey gold just went down the toilet.

 

[Resolute]

Did you just call the olympics a tournament? The olympics are the ground without which most professional sports leagues wouldn't exist! Now that's disrespecting something...

I hate to break it to you, but many pro sports predate the modern olympics, including hockey. Yes, it is a tournament. One sport wrapped up into a larger event that has been bastardized repeatedly, and subjugated by crass comercialization. Not to mention that the Olympics were originally meant for amateur atheletes.

You will have to excuse me if I simply laugh off the argument that the current Olympic games have any deeper meaning anymore.

 

[Pepper]

It seems to me that most of his detractors here are Finns who are angry that their chances at Olympic hockey gold just went down the toilet.

Well you don't understand us very well in that case.

While it does decrease our chances a lot, the way he handles this whole issue is particularly furiating. He's currently playing under painkillers because the injury is also affecting his groins, yet he keeps playing more than ANY other NHL goalie. If the injury worsens, he might have to go to surgery DURING the season which means no play-offs for him and also goodbye to Flames' chances of making any noise in the play-offs.

So in short, he has been playing CRAPLOADS of games already, he will KEEP playing more or less until the olympics and only THEN he will take a break.

Take the break NOW, let the injury heal and play the olympics if ready. Don't wait for 2 months before healing the injury.

Part of me is really starting to hope that he has to go to surgery just before the olympics just to show Sutter a giant middle-finger over how he has handled this situation.

 

[P-M Bouchard]

Miikka Kiprusoff´s agent Petteri Lehto told to the Finnish Broadcasting Company(Yle),that it was Calgarys decision to leave Miikka out of Olympics.

 

[Resolute]

Well you don't understand us very well in that case.

While it does decrease our chances a lot, the way he handles this whole issue is particularly furiating. He's currently playing under painkillers because the injury is also affecting his groins, yet he keeps playing more than ANY other NHL goalie. If the injury worsens, he might have to go to surgery DURING the season which means no play-offs for him and also goodbye to Flames' chances of making any noise in the play-offs.

So in short, he has been playing CRAPLOADS of games already, he will KEEP playing more or less until the olympics and only THEN he will take a break.

Take the break NOW, let the injury heal and play the olympics if ready. Don't wait for 2 months before healing the injury.

Part of me is really starting to hope that he has to go to surgery just before the olympics just to show Sutter a giant middle-finger over how he has handled this situation.

And why, exactly, should Sutter care about Finnish interests? The Flames are under no obligation to screw their own season for your benefit.

If the Flames doctors went to Kiprusoff and said "you need surgery, now", he would get it. Instead, they said he could play through, but recommended that he take the Olympics off to rest. That is Kipper's decision, but trust me, the Flames arent out there trying to cause Kiprusoff to get hurt worse.

 

[Pepper]

If the Flames doctors went to Kiprusoff and said "you need surgery, now", he would get it. Instead, they said he could play through, but recommended that he take the Olympics off to rest. That is Kipper's decision, but trust me, the Flames arent out there trying to cause Kiprusoff to get hurt worse.

Please explain this to me:

If Flames arent out there trying to cause Kipper to get hurt worse, why has he played more games than any other goalie when the injury has been known since start of the season? Another question: why won't Kipper heal the injury NOW before it gets even worse?

 

[Resolute]

Please explain this to me:

If Flames arent out there trying to cause Kipper to get hurt worse, why has he played more games than any other goalie when the injury has been known since start of the season? Another question: why won't Kipper heal the injury NOW before it gets even worse?

Simple: The Flames doctors have said that he can continue to play, and play a lot despite the injury. If they suggested otherwise, the situation would change.

 

[pihinalle]

Lost all respect for him.

I lost all respect for my compatriots who make statements like this.