Kiprusoff out of Olympics

[SwisshockeyAcademy]

These Olympics are starting to lose a bit of their meaning with all of these players pulling out and/or injured.

What always separated the Olympics from the World Cup was the fact that it was very rare for someone to turn down an Olympic invitation.

The Olympics this year is starting to lose this advantage.

Fully disagree. Players get hurt, players get old. Those who can play in this tourney -will for the most part.

 

[Cono]

I hope that Galgary won´t make it to the playoffs. F*** u Sutter.

 

[Phaneuf*]

I hope that Galgary won´t make it to the playoffs. F*** u Sutter.

Yup, it's all Sutters fault.

 

[GKJ]

There must be something in his contract where this is allowable. I'm pretty sure that the CBA says that a team cannot suppress someone from participating in the Olympics.



If Forsberg isn't taking the time off, no one should

 

[looooob]

Iginla has a better contract, and they are letting him go. I guess it's just easier to kick Finland than Canada, especially if it's a canadian team calling the shots.

Such BS

well I'm assuming Iginla isn't hurt

jeepers I'm not saying the Flames are banning Kiprusoff from going, but if he has a chronic injury maybe its a mutual decision for him not to go

 

[looooob]

Yeah you are right, it is just an excuse. He is very important for Calgary, so they just tell him "well you better stay out of it" and he does as he is told because Flames put the food on his table. But Flames wont go telling Iginla that he can't play, because Iginla is Canadian and people would absolutely murder the flames management if they tried to pull this stunt to a local boy.

maybe I"m naive but I dont' think the Flames just randomly told Kiprusoff to 'stay out of it'

 

[Vyse64]

I don't think this is the move that help Finland the most at all, Finland has a lot of good goalies and some great young ones behind Kipper

if Ruutu isn't healthy at that time, it will seriously hurt Finland

 

[Dogbert*]

Is Sutter just holding him out as an excuse to weaken the Finnish Olympic team?

Doesn't matter.

Kipper is a Calgary Flame first, and everything else is secondary. If Sutter doesn't want him in the Olympics for whatever reason, then he's not going. If any of you Finns don't like it... well, tough ****, huh?

 

[Jazz]

How does this affect Finland dipping into the reserve list? Does this eliminate one of the 3 spots?

 

[FINNtastic]

Ouch! That hurts but we still got Kari on our squad *knocks on wood*. If and when Lehtonen is healthy he can carry the whole team on his back. Let's just wait and see...

 

[psycho_dad*]

maybe I"m naive but I dont' think the Flames just randomly told Kiprusoff to 'stay out of it'

If they wanted him healthy, they would not play him in the NHL. They simply told him not to go, and he did not bother to fight the decision. Maybe something in his contract that they can use against him if he would fight their decision.

Finnish coachec etc informed the players who were selected tuesday. Back then Kipper was still good to go or otherwise they would not have selected him. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[psycho_dad*]

Is Sutter just holding him out as an excuse to weaken the Finnish Olympic team?

Doesn't matter.

Kipper is a Calgary Flame first, and everything else is secondary. If Sutter doesn't want him in the Olympics for whatever reason, then he's not going. If any of you Finns don't like it... well, tough ****, huh?

Considering the interested audience, was it absolutely necessary to enlighten us with this opinion of yours? And if it was absolutely necessary, was this your best effort to not sound offensive and arrogant?

 

[Phanuthier*]

Stupid Mario Lemieux / Steve Yzerman, what bunch of classless pricks. Withdrawing from the Olympics, who do they think they are?

Pittsburg and Detriot hate Canada. Those bastards.

 

[psycho_dad*]

Stupid Mario Lemieux / Steve Yzerman, what bunch of classless pricks. Withdrawing from the Olympics, who do they think they are?

Pittsburg and Detriot hate Canada. Those bastards.

They resigned from the team because they know they could not help the team. Not the same reason.

If Kipper was injured, he would stop playing NOW and get himself healthy and then play for Calgary and Finland. I have never seen an inflammation that can be predicted like this....it will be ok for the next 1 and half months, and then it becomes so bad that he cant play anymore, and needs a rest. He should not play before he is healthy.

 

[Phanuthier*]

They resigned from the team because they know they could not help the team. Not the same reason.

If Kipper was injured, he would stop playing NOW and get himself healthy and then play for Calgary and Finland. I have never seen an inflammation that can be predicted like this....it will be ok for the next 1 and half months, and then it becomes so bad that he cant play anymore, and needs a rest. He should not play before he is healthy.

Or maybe he's playing through injury right now, because these games are KEY to the Flames?

If the Flames had Kari Lehtonen or Vesa Toskala, I would rather see them in net for these big games against Vancouver, ect. But he's probably playing through injury, and see's that time to rest his injury.

Steve Yzerman and Mario Lemieux exit, and everybody gives their kudo's. Kiprusoff does it, and suddenly, him, Sutter and the entire Flames organization are the anti-christ.

 

[Heavy Fuel]

Hey, I hate to defend anything Calgary, but Dogbert nailed it. Pros, first & foremost, owe their first allegience to the team that pays them. The Olympics and other international events are great for the fans, but they don't pay the bills.

What is Finland paying Kipper?

Exactly.

You pay the money, you call the shots. Kipper's impact on his team's fortunes is possibly more than that of any other player in the NHL for their respective team. A nagging injury like an inflammation can be played through with some medication and a gritty attitude, but it is bound to hurt his play to some degree. Two weeks off from irritating the inflammation could make the difference between winning a playoff round. That's big money in the City of Cows and I think the decision is between the Flames & Kipper.

 

[psycho_dad*]

Or maybe he's playing through injury right now, because these games are KEY to the Flames?

If the Flames had Kari Lehtonen or Vesa Toskala, I would rather see them in net for these big games against Vancouver, ect. But he's probably playing through injury, and see's that time to rest his injury.

Steve Yzerman and Mario Lemieux exit, and everybody gives their kudo's. Kiprusoff does it, and suddenly, him, Sutter and the entire Flames organization are the anti-christ.

Different scenario. They both came out themselves saying they wont play because it would not help the team. Kipper however is the best player in the team so he cant use that excuse. Team Finland informed the players who were selected that they are on the team, I believe this happened tuesday. If Kipper would have said he will not play, they would not have announced him today (they would not have wasted that roster spot, and that one change). Once he got announced, people in Calgary woke up and decided that he should not play, and here we are. Simple as that. And yes, that makes some people, especially us Finns quite mad at the flames organization. If he would be injured so badly, that it will not heal in nearly 2 months, he would not keep playing for the flames. What kind of inflammation is treated by nearly 2 months of professional hockey and a two week vacation at the end?

 

[Phanuthier*]

Different scenario. They both came out themselves saying they wont play because it would not help the team.

What if they could help Canada? I personally think Lemieux would have been a huge upgrade on the team rather then a Kris Draper or Shane Doan. Even as a 13th forward, just the presense he brings.

Kipper however is the best player in the team so he cant use that excuse.

I thought Kipper was just a cinderella / Giguere?

If Kipper would have said he will not play, they would not have announced him today (they would not have wasted that roster spot, and that one change). Once he got announced, people in Calgary woke up and decided that he should not play, and here we are. Simple as that.

I guess it couldn't have been possible that he got injured last night vs LA then

If he would be injured so badly, that it will not heal in nearly 2 months, he would not keep playing for the flames. What kind of inflammation is treated by nearly 2 months of professional hockey and a two week vacation at the end?

It's not a bad injury, it's just in the best interests and the people paying him to put his priorities first, rather then hurt his employer's for his own personal interests.

 

[Malurous]

Kipper has never been enthusiastic about international play anyway, he's rejected these calls before... I think the Flames put some pressure on him to stay out, and he didn't care enough to fight it.

Anyway, I don't think you guys would be so cold and analytical if Joe Sakic announced that "Yeah my knee hurts a bit, I'll just play the whole season but skip the Olympics. It's pretty much the Avs' decision, really." I suppose half Canada would want to burn Denver.

 

[SwisshockeyAcademy]

Different scenario. They both came out themselves saying they wont play because it would not help the team. Kipper however is the best player in the team so he cant use that excuse. Team Finland informed the players who were selected that they are on the team, I believe this happened tuesday. If Kipper would have said he will not play, they would not have announced him today (they would not have wasted that roster spot, and that one change). Once he got announced, people in Calgary woke up and decided that he should not play, and here we are. Simple as that. And yes, that makes some people, especially us Finns quite mad at the flames organization. If he would be injured so badly, that it will not heal in nearly 2 months, he would not keep playing for the flames. What kind of inflammation is treated by nearly 2 months of professional hockey and a two week vacation at the end?

Where is your hard evidence that the Flames are deliberately withholding Kipper's services from the Olympic games? Provide some or back off. Kipper knows he can more than likely play through his problems but the rest will be welcome. He is not going to bail on the Flames now so he can help the Finns in the Olympics. I have no doubt he would play the games if he could but the situation he is in dictates he gives what he has to his club and then takes the break. You are pissed and that is ok but some sober second thought is in order here.

 

[psycho_dad*]

Kipper has never been enthusiastic about international play anyway, he's rejected these calls before... I think the Flames put some pressure on him to stay out, and he didn't care enough to fight it.

Anyway, I don't think you guys would be so cold and analytical if Joe Sakic announced that "Yeah my knee hurts a bit, I'll just play the whole season but skip the Olympics. It's pretty much the Avs' decision, really." I suppose half Canada would want to burn Denver.

Exactly right, on both counts. Kipper did not fight the decision even though he probably could.

And people should put it in perspective and think how they would react if this happened to for example Canada.

 

[Mr. Penguin]

Kipper has never been enthusiastic about international play anyway, he's rejected these calls before... I think the Flames put some pressure on him to stay out, and he didn't care enough to fight it.

Indeed. I already flamed Kipper on a Finnish hockey forum, so I won't do it here. But all I can say is **** you Miikka. Miikka doesn't like to play for Finland, so stop blaming Sutter/Flames. I hope Flames win the Cup, but I hope they do it with Sauve... Kipper can rot in hell.

 

[psycho_dad*]

Where is your hard evidence that the Flames are deliberately withholding Kipper's services from the Olympic games? Provide some or back off. Kipper knows he can more than likely play through his problems but the rest will be welcome. He is not going to bail on the Flames now so he can help the Finns in the Olympics. I have no doubt he would play the games if he could but the situation he is in dictates he gives what he has to his club and then takes the break. You are pissed and that is ok but some sober second thought is in order here.

What proof do you need? First he is ok with the selection on tuesday, now he is out, but not out. He can play 2 months, but then he cannot play anymore? All proof you need is the next game he plays for Calgary flames. If he is injured, get him cured and back in the game. It does not take 2 months to cure an inflammation. And if it did, whats 2 weeks gonna do that 2 months could not?

 

[Phanuthier*]

Exactly right, on both counts. Kipper did not fight the decision even though he probably could.

And people should put it in perspective and think how they would react if this happened to for example Canada.

Yup, I remember Lemieux doing that for Canada in 2002... and it created some tension in Pittsburg and the Pens dressing room when he put his personal interests in front of his teams.

I also believe a couple players withdrew from Team Canada in both 2002 to rest small injuries.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I can't believe how Kipper is being flamed! I think it shows his character and desire for the cup if he is willing to put the cup over an olympic gold medal.