Kingston Frontenacs 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

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I’m still thinking that they get that OA Dman (Petes?) to really solidify the D. That would mean both those players you mention would be sent down.
I hope they can get someone. Mayer would probably be pretty expensive but it’s clear their defence is their weakness. Offence is up and down like a toilet seat too but under a new coach I’m sure it should be better. I don’t think they’ll make a move until maybe the trade deadline if any more. Atleast no big ones until then. Maybe a minor move or two. They addressed what I think they’ve needed this whole season besides healthy players and that’s a top 4 d. Now Chromiak should be 2nd-3rd on our team and that’s even better but will still probably move around on those first 2 lines. I don’t see him going to the third line of d or as a 7th d man. Getting him help the overall depth of their defence and take minutes and games away from Schneider and Williamson. No offence to them but they don’t seem like defenceman that a championship team would have. Not that kingston will win the championship but I’m saying they’re rather weak.

Sam Mayer would likely cost Kingston a defenceman plus a couple of high draft picks.
Maybe a year ago. He’s an OA now. I say a couple high picks maybe 2 2nd round picks or a 2nd and a third. Don’t see a player involved. If one is that’s an important piece there won’t be as much picks.
 
Next years d should be something like

Burns Chromiak
McGowan Velliaris
Uens *1st round pick*
Bergeron or Williamson as 7th d

Lines could be a little bit off but I see these being the guys on d with Williamson and/or Bergeron rotating in and out.

I see Schneider being traded. Him, williamson and Bergeron those are the 3 to watch. 2 of them will be let go.

Whether it’s waivers or a trade I don’t see them staying on the team.
 
I understand, i'm old enough to remember that. It was my first year as a season ticket holder, first year we were the frontenacs, but what is it regarding now?
Also if you liook at Brett playing national team and she definitely had az lot to say about him more than I think Eric.

The person in question on this team is Thibodeaux
 

2nd 4th and 6th, pricier than I expected given the lack of teams with an import position but I wonder if there was a bidding war
not really all the much when you consider the years of the picks 27 is a long way away. These picks will be used in a bundle for someone else at the deadline I AM SURE.
I like the move, picks sent to Sudbury don’t mean much, they have time and can always maneuver to get the 2nd back. Having another right handed d that will be here this year and next will be huge. Mann will teach these guys how to play with structure, we don’t need a scoring d, goals will come, we need one that stops us from being scored on and can make the first pass without a turnover. Personally I couldn’t care less how many points he has. The first thing so many people look at in the stats is player points to assign value. You need goal scorers yes, but you also need the guys who are willing to go through a wall for the team and do the things that those goal scoring players won’t do, like block shots, win battles, drop the gloves etc. Not saying Chromiak is that player but he’s one that plays d fairly well and has lots of upside. I think Cooper did another great job on this, he got a player we neended, Chromiak will push the other d at the top to be better, nobody wants to lose playing minutes and we now have a coach who can teach.
+ - IS A BETTER aspect of how a defenceman is. There are a lot of CHL D that can score goals in the CHL the problem is that they do not know how to stop them so when they try to get to the NHL: AHL they have to learn.

give me a big stay-at-home defenceman who knows how to clear the net and control the puck any day.

Sam Mayer would likely cost Kingston a defenceman plus a couple of high draft picks.

This is a team that is building not a team that is going to take a run for the title. Why trade away assets for a loner for the last half of the season. This is a team that can be bult to copete next year but to do that they need to train the young players.

Mann will do that. If you are looking for an OA to add to the character of the team then there are less costly picks than Mayer.

Mayer s going to go to a contender not a biulder.
 
not really all the much when you consider the years of the picks 27 is a long way away. These picks will be used in a bundle for someone else at the deadline I AM SURE.

+ - IS A BETTER aspect of how a defenceman is. There are a lot of CHL D that can score goals in the CHL the problem is that they do not know how to stop them so when they try to get to the NHL: AHL they have to learn.

give me a big stay-at-home defenceman who knows how to clear the net and control the puck any day.



This is a team that is building not a team that is going to take a run for the title. Why trade away assets for a loner for the last half of the season. This is a team that can be bult to copete next year but to do that they need to train the young players.

Mann will do that. If you are looking for an OA to add to the character of the team then there are less costly picks than Mayer.

Mayer s going to go to a contender not a biulder.
I agree. I’d much rather them trade for an 05 or 06 d man that will be here this year and next year. Like Chromiak. I don’t think the fronts should go all out this year. Unless something drastic happens with Mann or an oa d becomes available for cheap I wouldn’t do it.
 
Next years d should be something like

Burns Chromiak
McGowan Velliaris
Uens *1st round pick*
Bergeron or Williamson as 7th d

Lines could be a little bit off but I see these being the guys on d with Williamson and/or Bergeron rotating in and out.

I see Schneider being traded. Him, williamson and Bergeron those are the 3 to watch. 2 of them will be let go.

Whether it’s waivers or a trade I don’t see them staying on the team.
We’ll for sure be going for a championship next year, so I would expect one or (more likely) two high end OA Dmen to be added to the D corps.

You are looking at Burns, Chromiak, McGowan as locks, plus one to two OAs as locks. The remaining two-three positions will be battled amungst Uens, and past draft picks that have yet to play regularly.

Pretty high quality lineup on paper!
 
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I agree. I’d much rather them trade for an 05 or 06 d man that will be here this year and next year. Like Chromiak. I don’t think the fronts should go all out this year. Unless something drastic happens with Mann or an oa d becomes available for cheap I wouldn’t do it.
I honestly don’t think this team is far off championship level as is for THIS YEAR (and next of course) with proper coaching (which they likely have now). The offence is pretty loaded on paper. The goaltending is real solid. The only weaknesses are on D and they should be cleaned up by better coaching and the additional of one more high end OA D.

IMO, I say make one more trade to get that OA high end D (which shouldn’t cost you an arm and a leg) and see how far that takes you. Not only do you give yourself experience for next year, but when you get to the final couple of rounds you never know how things play out with injuries and the like. Why not just finish that puzzle for this year?

Then, use the rest of the picks next year (which are most of them) and empty the cupboard, which may also include trading some of the young players not getting the ice time.
 
I honestly don’t think this team is far off championship level as is for THIS YEAR (and next of course) with proper coaching (which they likely have now). The offence is pretty loaded on paper. The goaltending is real solid. The only weaknesses are on D and they should be cleaned up by better coaching and the additional of one more high end OA D.

IMO, I say make one more trade to get that OA high end D (which shouldn’t cost you an arm and a leg) and see how far that takes you. Not only do you give yourself experience for next year, but when you get to the final couple of rounds you never know how things play out with injuries and the like. Why not just finish that puzzle for this year?

Then, use the rest of the picks next year (which are most of them) and empty the cupboard, which may also include trading some of the young players not getting the ice time.
I agree. This year I could see them sneaking in as the second seed in the east depending on what else happens here. I think Sudbury is a lock as long as they’re healthy to lead the east in points. Could see fronts/Ottawa for east division crown. Hopefully fronts win that. If they did they wouldn’t have to play Sudbury second round.

My hope for this year is second round+ for playoff experience and go all in next year 2024 Following year sell off assets that are remaining in 2025 and in 2026 retooling year before 2027 they go for it again. Long road ahead of course and obviously lots can change but something like that will probably happen.
 
I agree. This year I could see them sneaking in as the second seed in the east depending on what else happens here. I think Sudbury is a lock as long as they’re healthy to lead the east in points. Could see fronts/Ottawa for east division crown. Hopefully fronts win that. If they did they wouldn’t have to play Sudbury second round.

My hope for this year is second round+ for playoff experience and go all in next year 2024 Following year sell off assets that are remaining in 2025 and in 2026 retooling year before 2027 they go for it again. Long road ahead of course and obviously lots can change but something like that will probably happen.
Don’t forget about the Peterborough Petes. They could chose to keep everybody and contend for the East Division title. They have the best top three defence in the division, a strong forward group and two good goaltenders. Even if they trade Owen Beck (who I am certain will be traded) they will still have a good team.
 
Don’t forget about the Peterborough Petes. They could chose to keep everybody and contend for the East Division title. They have the best top three defence in the division, a strong forward group and two good goaltenders. Even if they trade Owen Beck (who I am certain will be traded) they will still have a good team.
The Petes remind me a bit of the Fronts last year. Sure we could keep Shane Wright, and Arcuri, and Haché, etc. and maybe win a round, but why bother when there will be better years ahead? Their cupboard is bare after last year’s run so why not sell off. Especially if the Fronts play like they’re capable of and the 67s play up to expectations. You could end up 3rd in the division with no future assets. That would be a disaster in terms of asset management.

I would also add that Petes fans and their GM threatened to not trade MacTavish as well, but the rest of the league didn’t bite and knew he would be dealt. I expect the same this year with their big pieces of value.
 
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The Petes remind me a bit of the Fronts last year. Sure we could keep Shane Wright, and Arcuri, and Haché, etc. and maybe win a round, but why bother when there will be better years ahead? Their cupboard is bare after last year’s run so why not sell off. Especially if the Fronts play like they’re capable of and the 67s play up to expectations. You could end up 3rd in the division with no future assets. That would be a disaster in terms of asset management.

I would also add that Petes fans and their GM threatened to not trade MacTavish as well, but the rest of the league didn’t bite and knew he would be dealt. I expect the same this year with their big pieces of value.
The only reason the Petes traded Mason McTavish was the fact he was selected by Team Canada to play at the Olympics. With them battling to make the playoffs they needed players for entire period of the stretch run. My understanding was that McTavish would have preferred to to stay with the Petes but agreed to the trade to help the Petes in the long run.

I do not think Ottawa is as good as the Petes are at this point in the season based on both play and players. Kingston has underachieved and still do have a chance to turn it around.
 
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The only reason the Petes traded Mason McTavish was the fact he was selected by Team Canada to play at the Olympics. With them battling to make the playoffs they needed players for entire period of the stretch run.
McTavish was traded Jan.9
My understanding was that McTavish would have preferred to to stay with the Petes but agreed to the trade to help the Petes in the long run.
He was willing and supposedly would be happy to remain a Pete if a trade could not be made with one of three teams, #1 being with friends in Hamilton.
I do not think Ottawa is as good as the Petes are at this point in the season based on both play and players. Kingston has underachieved and still do have a chance to turn it around.
The Petes are a lot like Miss prior to the deadline last season; no assets to add with, and no picks to build a future with
 
McTavish was traded Jan.9

He was willing and supposedly would be happy to remain a Pete if a trade could not be made with one of three teams, #1 being with friends in Hamilton.

The Petes are a lot like Miss prior to the deadline last season; no assets to add with, and no picks to build a future with
When the Petes traded Mason McTavish they knew he was going to the Olympics.

I still believe the Petes will make a few trades but will not make as many trades as some think they will.
 
Don’t forget about the Peterborough Petes. They could chose to keep everybody and contend for the East Division title. They have the best top three defence in the division, a strong forward group and two good goaltenders. Even if they trade Owen Beck (who I am certain will be traded) they will still have a good team.
They remind me of Saginaw before making trades like the mintukov trade. Will do well with all the players they have before they trade them, but after they’ll struggle a bit
 
McTavish was traded Jan.9

He was willing and supposedly would be happy to remain a Pete if a trade could not be made with one of three teams, #1 being with friends in Hamilton.

The Petes are a lot like Miss prior to the deadline last season; no assets to add with, and no picks to build a future with
100% if they do a full scale rebuild trading anyone worth trading they’ll be very competitive in the next 2 years. If they don’t they’ll be mediocre for a while. They should try and get some good 16 year olds and build around them. They already have one of the top ones in the league in Cameron. Trade beck for a good 16 year old. Trade Mayer and McCoy for a fairly good 17 year old or 2, trade Lockhart for the same or picks and if that was all they did they’d have one hell of a young core to build around and they would’ve re stocked all the picks they lost last year.
 
I honestly don’t think this team is far off championship level as is for THIS YEAR (and next of course) with proper coaching (which they likely have now). The offence is pretty loaded on paper. The goaltending is real solid. The only weaknesses are on D and they should be cleaned up by better coaching and the additional of one more high end OA D.

IMO, I say make one more trade to get that OA high end D (which shouldn’t cost you an arm and a leg) and see how far that takes you. Not only do you give yourself experience for next year, but when you get to the final couple of rounds you never know how things play out with injuries and the like. Why not just finish that puzzle for this year?

Then, use the rest of the picks next year (which are most of them) and empty the cupboard, which may also include trading some of the young players not getting the ice time.
No offence but looking at this team there is at this stage nothing that says it is a contender.

What you are saying is the same thing as me saying that I am going to run a marathon. On paper maybe I can But in realiety, I have a long wy to go.

Really we have o idea how good this team is. We do ot know if they are as good in real life as they sound on paper.

Was Caputi the whole problem no one knows.

Look at the Calgary Flames. Everyone said to get rid of Treveling and Sutter and the team will be better. OOPS


ALSO why do people here forget about the present powerhouse in mississauga
 
100% if they do a full scale rebuild trading anyone worth trading they’ll be very competitive in the next 2 years. If they don’t they’ll be mediocre for a while. They should try and get some good 16 year olds and build around them. They already have one of the top ones in the league in Cameron. Trade beck for a good 16 year old. Trade Mayer and McCoy for a fairly good 17 year old or 2, trade Lockhart for the same or picks and if that was all they did they’d have one hell of a young core to build around and they would’ve re stocked all the picks they lost last year.
The Petes could, probably should keep 3-OAs and 3-‘04s for OAs next season to aid the development of young players, and be somewhat competitive. Moving Beck, Mayer, Sztuska, and one of Smith or McCoy would be a major sell-off.
 
No offence but looking at this team there is at this stage nothing that says it is a contender.
The sheer number of talented ‘05 born makes it likely Kingston will be pretty good by seasons end, and contend next season.
What you are saying is the same thing as me saying that I am going to run a marathon. On paper maybe I can But in realiety, I have a long wy to go.

Really we have o idea how good this team is. We do ot know if they are as good in real life as they sound on paper.

Was Caputi the whole problem no one knows.

Look at the Calgary Flames. Everyone said to get rid of Treveling and Sutter and the team will be better. OOPS


ALSO why do people here forget about the present powerhouse in mississauga
 
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No offence but looking at this team there is at this stage nothing that says it is a contender.

What you are saying is the same thing as me saying that I am going to run a marathon. On paper maybe I can But in realiety, I have a long wy to go.

Really we have o idea how good this team is. We do ot know if they are as good in real life as they sound on paper.

Was Caputi the whole problem no one knows.

Look at the Calgary Flames. Everyone said to get rid of Treveling and Sutter and the team will be better. OOPS


ALSO why do people here forget about the present powerhouse in mississauga
They have high end scorers, scoring depth, solid goaltending, and what is rounding into what should be a solid and deep D core. Yes, they need to put it all together with their new professional level coach, but that is the same as every team at this point, even Mississauga.

Nobody has proven anything at this point. But the Fronts have all the ingredients on paper to go far…which is the same as the team that will eventually win it all this year.
 
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No offence but looking at this team there is at this stage nothing that says it is a contender.

What you are saying is the same thing as me saying that I am going to run a marathon. On paper maybe I can But in realiety, I have a long wy to go.

Really we have o idea how good this team is. We do ot know if they are as good in real life as they sound on paper.

Was Caputi the whole problem no one knows.

Look at the Calgary Flames. Everyone said to get rid of Treveling and Sutter and the team will be better. OOPS


ALSO why do people here forget about the present powerhouse in mississauga
Mississauga is overrated in my opinion. Good team but they’re not going to keep this up. I see them as a top 3-5 team in the east.
 
They have high end scorers, scoring depth, solid goaltending, and what is rounding into what should be a solid and deep D core. Yes, they need to put it all together with their new professional level coach, but that is the same as every team at this point, even Mississauga.

Nobody has proven anything at this point. But the Fronts have all the ingredients on paper to go far…which is the same as the team that will eventually win it all this year.
ou could say that about every team.

The question is, though, do they really have the players? Is there a drive that will make players better? Will the defence get remarkably better?

I am not saying that they could not do it. What I am saying is that you need to see what happens in a few games. It think that before you talk abut the M Cup, you need to see a team winning more than they are now.

As to Mississauga, they have a great team and are at this stage one of the top teams that can get better
 
my guesses for the top 4 teams in the each conference by the trade deadline:

East


Sudbury by a mile
Kingston
Mississauga
Ottawa

HM: Oshawa

West

London
Saginaw
Guelph (assuming poitras is back)
Soo

HM: Owen Sound
 
my guesses for the top 4 teams in the each conference by the trade deadline:

East


Sudbury by a mile
Kingston
Mississauga
Ottawa

HM: Oshawa

West

London
Saginaw
Guelph (assuming poitras is back)
Soo

HM: Owen Sound
Oshawa is currently in 9th place in their conference as is Saginaw.
 
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ou could say that about every team.

The question is, though, do they really have the players? Is there a drive that will make players better? Will the defence get remarkably better?

I am not saying that they could not do it. What I am saying is that you need to see what happens in a few games. It think that before you talk abut the M Cup, you need to see a team winning more than they are now.

As to Mississauga, they have a great team and are at this stage one of the top teams that can get better
No you can’t say that about every team lol but kingston has that. The only thing I’ll say about kingston through is they don’t have a true #1 star player. I thought it would be miedema with his hot start but he’s been very cold lately. Meanwhile ludwinski started cold and has been on fire lately. Now I don’t want them to trade for someone this year I think that would be a waste of picks and players however it would probably help them.

Defence if they’re healthy will be “remarkably better” gotta remember to start the season we didn’t have guys like burns, McGowan and holmes which are arguably our top 3 d man as regulars in most games. Burns for the first 6 or 7 games we didn’t have him at all. That doesn’t help the team at all. Tough to see how good they really are. This weekend should tell us a lot about the teams direction. Now mind you we don’t have Mann for barrie tomorrow but they’ve had their own struggles so it should be a good game. Guelph is a big game for them. Guelph blew us out in their own barn with Caputi. That’ll be the first game mann is back, and second with cromiak. It’ll be a completely different team I’m sure. If they can go 2/2 this weekend I’ll be very pleased.

Yes Mississauga is good but they’re not the best team in the league at all. Got smoked against Sudbury, lost 6-1 to barrie and should’ve lost to us but same old same old with the assistant coach on the bench we choked that lead thanks to 3 3rd period goals by porter martone.

Oshawa is currently in 9thplace as is Saginaw.
I highlighted by the trade deadline for a reason. If you think Saginaw won’t make some trades and get better being the memorial cup hosts then you don’t know the OHL. Mem cup hosts go ALL OUT every year. Look at what Kamloops did last year for instance. Oshawa I don’t know what’s up with them. Maybe they’ll fire their own coach too lol but they look like a good team. Not to mention they actually beat us out for the final playoff spot last year so you’d expect them to be a lot better obviously. Tough start for them and a lot of teams but the standings a couple weeks into the season will be completely different in a few months.
 
They have high end scorers, scoring depth, solid goaltending, and what is rounding into what should be a solid and deep D core. Yes, they need to put it all together with their new professional level coach, but that is the same as every team at this point, even Mississauga.

Nobody has proven anything at this point. But the Fronts have all the ingredients on paper to go far…which is the same as the team that will eventually win it all this year.
The only real relative strength this team has is their starting goalie. "High end scorers" ? I think of the top 5 I'd say 4 of the 5 are below average in terms of 200-ft game and effort....maybe 19 is average or above. There are too many "high end" forwards with questionable attitudes/efforts. Recipe for mediocre.
 
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