Kingston Frontenacs 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 2)

[leafs4life94]

Unless there's a bidding war I'd imagine the Loukus trade will be a similar cost (6th and 9th) to an OA upgrade on Callens - likely a little higher since Saginaw was forced to move him with Bloom coming back.

Frasca for Callens and a mid-round pick sounds reasonable to me.

 

[frontsfan67]

Unless there's a bidding war I'd imagine the Loukus trade will be a similar cost (6th and 9th) to an OA upgrade on Callens - likely a little higher since Saginaw was forced to move him with Bloom coming back.

Frasca for Callens and a mid-round pick sounds reasonable to me.

If we end up trading callens for frasca I think we will need atleast a 3rd round pick to complete that. I think a 3rd and 4th will get it done. Huge skill gap between the 2. And frasca is better than loukus

Sounds like we are pretty much on the same page with this team.
I just heard through he grape vine that Donoso may be on waivers... Interesting to see what happens here.

Uen's I think is more of a glue guy in the locker room but skill wise he is a bubble ohler with minimal offensive ability. -Break out passes at times look like rocket science to him.
I specifically remember one night i was there after about 4-5 failed attempts to break the puck out Troy yelling at him to wait and give it to Burns to carry the puck up. lol.
Defensively he's not completely horrible but i respect that he is willing to go to war for his teammates.

Wow that would be very stupid imo for Ottawa to do. There’s no way they couldn’t get atleast a 4th or 5th round pick for donoso. Maybe they’re trying to make space for someone else and fast.

I agree he’s essentially callens but on defence lol. Locker room guy shouldn’t be playing at the ohl level- atleast not on a team looking to win a round or two

 

[frontsfan67]

Kingston’s ‘03s are average at best. Their ‘04 crop outside Ludwinski is consists of an Import (Hemstrom).

This team is build for next year. The only piece of the puzzle that points to this year is Ludwinski. You should not make a push based on one player graduating. Theoretically speaking, you can replace Hemstrom through the draft so I wouldn’t include him in the discussion.

The responsible thing to do is move Ludwinski (and Hemstrom) for the purpose of pushing assets forward. It is better to have an abundance of picks and assets to bulk up one year. If you are a team that can toss 15 draft picks at two trades in the same manner as Boyd last year for Morrison and Mintyukov, it opens up a lot of options other teams don’t have.

Schmidt and Holmes are 2 good defencemen but if you include callens in that it brings the average way down lol. Callens may be the worst OA in the league this season.

Would be a good move to move both those guys for sure. Only reason why I’ve never mentioned hemstrom getting moved is because I don’t think there’s much of a market for euros right now. If you think about it though it’s a point a game- great 2 way winger who can play all situations and lines 1-3. He would have some value I just don’t see them moving him.(even tho imo it would be the right move for next year)

 

[OMG67]

Schmidt and Holmes are 2 good defencemen but if you include callens in that it brings the average way down lol. Callens may be the worst OA in the league this season.

Would be a good move to move both those guys for sure. Only reason why I’ve never mentioned hemstrom getting moved is because I don’t think there’s much of a market for euros right now. If you think about it though it’s a point a game- great 2 way winger who can play all situations and lines 1-3. He would have some value I just don’t see them moving him.(even tho imo it would be the right move for next year)

The point is you would have four 19 and 20 year olds pushing your team against other franchises that are rostering more like 8-10 pivotal 19 and 20 year olds. The main core of the Fronts are ‘05s. You will likely have three open OA spots to fill next year To surround that solid ‘05 group. Trade Ludwinski and you gain the assets to use to fill at least two elite OA’s for next year’s roster. Then you still have the current assets to address any other needs. It is the smarter thing to do IMO.

Doing it half cocked this year and lessening the flexibility next year serves no purpose other than maintaining mediocrity.

 

[leafs4life94]

Schmidt and Holmes are 2 good defencemen but if you include callens in that it brings the average way down lol. Callens may be the worst OA in the league this season.

Would be a good move to move both those guys for sure. Only reason why I’ve never mentioned hemstrom getting moved is because I don’t think there’s much of a market for euros right now. If you think about it though it’s a point a game- great 2 way winger who can play all situations and lines 1-3. He would have some value I just don’t see them moving him.(even tho imo it would be the right move for next year)

I've wondered about a combo trade - Frasca/Sale for Callens/Hemstrom ++ but any picks should be heavily conditional on Sale coming back to the O. Of course that's closing the door on Pieniniemi, but if he ends up coming over they'll have a decision to make.

 

[leafs4life94]

11/7 tonight, no Callens or Poole.

 

[frontsfan67]

The point is you would have four 19 and 20 year olds pushing your team against other franchises that are rostering more like 8-10 pivotal 19 and 20 year olds. The main core of the Fronts are ‘05s. You will likely have three open OA spots to fill next year To surround that solid ‘05 group. Trade Ludwinski and you gain the assets to use to fill at least two elite OA’s for next year’s roster. Then you still have the current assets to address any other needs. It is the smarter thing to do IMO.

Doing it half cocked this year and lessening the flexibility next year serves no purpose other than maintaining mediocrity.

I think they’ll keep Heyes to start on team next year as he’s one of the best if not the best penalty killer in the league and has some good speed and skill has improved a little bit each year. Poole I think will get traded somewhere or released (injuries not skill) ludwinski won’t be in ohl and hemstrom will prob play pro in sweden

I would really like them to get a good quality 04 (or two) this year even if it means they have to unload some high picks (someone or some like Jacob Leblanc would be amazing) I just don’t think it’s very likely with time dwindling down before the deadline and no movement so far from Kingstons part

I think if they do any of this it will be in the off season

I've wondered about a combo trade - Frasca/Sale for Callens/Hemstrom ++ but any picks should be heavily conditional on Sale coming back to the O. Of course that's closing the door on Pieniniemi, but if he ends up coming over they'll have a decision to make.

I would heavily support that (with the conditionals obviously)

 

[User13452]

11/7 tonight, no Callens or Poole.

Callens hurt? Or possible trade

 

[OMG67]

I think they’ll keep Heyes to start on team next year as he’s one of the best if not the best penalty killer in the league and has some good speed and skill has improved a little bit each year. Poole I think will get traded somewhere or released (injuries not skill) ludwinski won’t be in ohl and hemstrom will prob play pro in sweden

I would really like them to get a good quality 04 (or two) this year even if it means they have to unload some high picks (someone or some like Jacob Leblanc would be amazing) I just don’t think it’s very likely with time dwindling down before the deadline and no movement so far from Kingstons part

I think if they do any of this it will be in the off season


I would heavily support that (with the conditionals obviously)

Vilimanis and the Leblanc’s are off to North Bay. It looks like Kostuch and Cajkovic being scratches tonight are the likely return.

If Kingston wants to join the party, they will likely need to free up a lot of picks or use Hopkins. that is how things are trending now.

Assuming the Beck deal gets done to Saginaw, it looks like three ‘07s moved already.

 

[leafs4life94]

Callens hurt? Or possible trade

He hasn't played since being hit from behind last Friday so likely just injury but I haven't seen nothing official.

 

[frontsfan67]

Vilimanis and the Leblanc’s are off to North Bay. It looks like Kostuch and Cajkovic being scratches tonight are the likely return.

If Kingston wants to join the party, they will likely need to free up a lot of picks or use Hopkins. that is how things are trending now.

Assuming the Beck deal gets done to Saginaw, it looks like three ‘07s moved already.

Wow didn’t hear that before- that’s huge news. Yeah no way in hell is kingston giving up Hopkins.

 

[leafs4life94]

Sooooo..... One game isn't everything but I am a lot more hesitant to buy after that performance.

Whether you wanna chalk it up to one bad game or not, 2 games against a "returning to expectation" Petes team and 2 games against an Ottawa team missing multiple pieces should never have been a true barometer.

Leenders played unreal so I don't wanna take away anything from him but they also had an absurd number of scoring chances that won't even be registered as shots because they flubbed the luck or unnecessarily tried to make an extra pass.

I've been meh on Uens most of this year but after tonight, he's gotta go. Very weak game, blew a scoring chance by double clutching, his size got him beat a couple times - he can't be in the lineup in the playoffs.

In summary - yikes.

 

[beastintheeast]

If we end up trading callens for frasca I think we will need atleast a 3rd round pick to complete that. I think a 3rd and 4th will get it done. Huge skill gap between the 2. And frasca is better than loukus


Wow that would be very stupid imo for Ottawa to do. There’s no way they couldn’t get atleast a 4th or 5th round pick for donoso. Maybe they’re trying to make space for someone else and fast.

I agree he’s essentially callens but on defence lol. Locker room guy shouldn’t be playing at the ohl level- atleast not on a team looking to win a round or two

If Boiyd could get an offer to trade Donoso he would have done it. It could be that Donoso wants to go somewhere he is not going to be sitting on the bench. Biyd has been trying to trade him all
season. This gives teams like Kingston a free shot to sign him.

The possibility is that they need to be able to free up the OA spots if they get good offers and

What happened to that defence that you said was much improved? Sorry had to ask. LOL

 

[zaluty]

Beast I was at the game. Two of the four goals were odd man rushes, one was an empty net from the defensive blue line and one was a powerplay. Which goal or goals do you want to blame the defence on? At least pretend you know what you are talking about. LOL

 

[frontsfan67]

Sooooo..... One game isn't everything but I am a lot more hesitant to buy after that performance.

Whether you wanna chalk it up to one bad game or not, 2 games against a "returning to expectation" Petes team and 2 games against an Ottawa team missing multiple pieces should never have been a true barometer.

Leenders played unreal so I don't wanna take away anything from him but they also had an absurd number of scoring chances that won't even be registered as shots because they flubbed the luck or unnecessarily tried to make an extra pass.

I've been meh on Uens most of this year but after tonight, he's gotta go. Very weak game, blew a scoring chance by double clutching, his size got him beat a couple times - he can't be in the lineup in the playoffs.

In summary - yikes.

Absolutely yes it was a weak first period but after that they hung with missisauga I found and leenders was amazing- couldn’t buy a good bounce or good reffing lol.

yes this is why I’ve been hard on uens the whole season. If he ever gets caught defending someone that’s way bigger than him or faster than him (and still bigger lol as not many are smaller) he can’t do much and is like a pylon. Mix that in with bad reads leading to giveaway after giveaway and you get a d man that is very unreliable.

In the off season if he plans on coming back he has to be one of the fastest guys on the ice and he should put on 20lbs of muscle if possible.

If Boiyd could get an offer to trade Donoso he would have done it. It could be that Donoso wants to go somewhere he is not going to be sitting on the bench. Biyd has been trying to trade him all
season. This gives teams like Kingston a free shot to sign him.

The possibility is that they need to be able to free up the OA spots if they get good offers and

What happened to that defence that you said was much improved? Sorry had to ask. LOL

Donoso will not be a starting goalie on any good team. Maybe Niagara LOL. I would like kingston to look at him but it’s a very similar situation that we have with you guys similar place in conference- goals this year etc so I don’t see him coming here

Defence wasn’t the problem tonight beast, clearly offence was. However leenders was spectacular we still should’ve had a couple goals.

 

[OMG67]

The only reason why the 67s have had difficulty getting Donoso placed is he is an OA. there are an abundance of solid OA’s. He is a really good goalie and likes a lot of rubber and a heavy workload. If you watch the replay of today’s game, you will see what I am talking about. Today’s game was not dissimilar to a lot of games our two goalies have had. It is the reason why some posters suggest Ottawa is a fake team. Ottawa is where it is because of their goaltending.

 

[frontsfan67]

The only reason why the 67s have had difficulty getting Donoso placed is he is an OA. there are an abundance of solid OA’s. He is a really good goalie and likes a lot of rubber and a heavy workload. If you watch the replay of today’s game, you will see what I am talking about. Today’s game was not dissimilar to a lot of games our two goalies have had. It is the reason why some posters suggest Ottawa is a fake team. Ottawa is where it is because of their goaltending.

Oh absolutely he’s a great backup I just don’t think he would lead a team to the promised lands

Ottawa, Mississauga, Guelph, north bay, Owen sound, and I’m probably missing more all are where they are because of goaltending depth- something I wish kingston had.

I wonder if after this year is over if they pick up another import goalie in the draft to be 1b with vaccari

 

[OMG67]

Oh absolutely he’s a great backup I just don’t think he would lead a team to the promised lands

Ottawa, Mississauga, Guelph, north bay, Owen sound, and I’m probably missing more all are where they are because of goaltending depth- something I wish kingston had.

I wonder if after this year is over if they pick up another import goalie in the draft to be 1b with vaccari

Ottawa was a League leading team last year. He was the starter. He is a very capable starter.

The 67’s have gone MIA the last five games and his stats have been slaughtered. Definitely not because of him though.

 

[frontsfan67]

Ottawa was a League leading team last year. He was the starter. He is a very capable starter.

The 67’s have gone MIA the last five games and his stats have been slaughtered. Definitely not because of him though.

You’re right. Completely forgot that. Mackenzie was the backup last year? or who was the backup?

Maybe a change of scenery from a couple players could help

 

[OMG67]

You’re right. Completely forgot that. Mackenzie was the backup last year? or who was the backup?

Maybe a change of scenery from a couple players could help

MacKenzie was the backup but I’d say it was close to a platoon situation because of how good MacKenzie was.

 

[beastintheeast]

You’re right. Completely forgot that. Mackenzie was the backup last year? or who was the backup?

Maybe a change of scenery from a couple players could help

Which is going to get you into the playoffs and give you the best chance. Vaccari Salajko or Vaccari Donoso.

You don't even need a couple of players. He is free to take on waivers.

 

[frontsfan67]

Which is going to get you into the playoffs and give you the best chance. Vaccari Salajko or Vaccari Donoso.

You don't even need a couple of players. He is free to take on waivers.

I think we all know this answer. Fronts have to act on this. If they don’t I’ll be very disappointed lol keeping Maddox callens over an actual need for the team in goaltending

 

[zaluty]

Hearing Ludwinski is a scratch today. Can any one confirm?

 

[leafs4life94]

Ludwinski not on the scorers sheet, Poole returns so still 11/7.

I don't remember seeing anything last night so I don't think he's hurt - which likely means what everyone is thinking - anyone heard any buzz?

 

[GoFronts]

Anything I've heard in the last while had him staying, but it's quite possible the recent moves have changed opinions. Time will tell I guess.