GDT: Kings Training Camp 2022/2023!

[SettlementRichie10]

Do you ever give it a rest?

You’re literally watching a young prospect in Clarke who is actively forcing his way onto the NHL team. This is what people have been wanting QB to do for two years now.

I know you don’t understand opinions more complex than “go Kings go”, but you should give it a shot. We want QB to pan out because the Kings *need* QB to pan out. This is why he’s under a magnifying glass this year.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Wallstedt, Askarov, etc. we've had our chances to draft a top tier goalie.

Yannetti already said on a recent Kings podcast that he tried to move up to nab him but didn’t have enough enticing picks to parlay. At the same time Minnesota was also trying to move up to get him.

Anderson - Doughty
Roy - Clarke
Bjornfot - Spence

Where does Durzi play? Maybe we trade him?

Leave off Edler on purpose?

Spence and Toby could use 1 more year flourishing in Ontario. Maybe a call up or two when the injury bug hits.

 

[Statto]

Yannetti already said on a recent Kings podcast that he tried to move up to nab him but didn’t have enough enticing picks to parlay. At the same time Minnesota was also trying to move up to get him.



Leave off Edler on purpose?

Spence and Toby could use 1 more year flourishing in Ontario. Maybe a call up or two when the injury bug hits.

It needs to be a meritocracy. Edler I’d bet plays because, whilst he wasn’t good vs the Oilers after coming back too quickly from his leg break, he was solid for the rest of the year. If Clarke plays he needs a vet alongside him. Edler gets that job to start.

I think that barring a trade Spence start in the AHL and battle become Clarke vs Durzi for 3RD and then it’ll be Bjornfot vs Walker (vs Durzi?) for the LHD spot next to Roy.

The other battles will be 2RW between Vilardi and Fagemo, then there’s are bunch of guys battling for the 4th line.

 

[kinghock]

Am I wrong that I have Spence > Durzi, Walker, Bjornfot, Roy....actually above pretty much everyone accept Drew.

In my view Drew> Clarke >Spence >Bjornfot>Roy>Walker>Durzi

 

[Statto]

In my view Drew> Clarke >Spence >Bjornfot>Roy>Walker>Durzi

That’s pretty much how I see it. There is a development case for Spence and Bjornfot to start on the Ontario top pairing (esp Spence) although it’s not how I’d personally do it.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Until shown otherwise, always assume they'll go with the easiest possible moves. 6D on 1 way deals. You got your choice of 1 other guy.

 

[Herby]

Until shown otherwise, always assume they'll go with the easiest possible moves. 6D on 1 way deals. You got your choice of 1 other guy.

You are probably right.

So it's either former 1st round pick Bjornfot, with 100+ games of NHL experience at 19 and 20 and two years of NHL salary going back down to the AHL at 21 to make 80k and compete against lesser competition. That sounds like a Kings move for sure.

Or it's the best prospect the Kings have drafted since Doughty who's offensive skills could certainly help the team, going back to junior, a level he already dominated last year.

Just beyond ridiculous that they brought back Edler **AND** didn't trade/waive Walker or trade Durzi. One back is fine, but Walker and Edler back is just going to damage the development of a younger defenseman.

At this point the Kings should just trade Bjornfot for the best young goaltender they can get from another team and move on. He was buried at the end of last year (like 10th on the depth chart) and now possibly going to the AHL after 2 seasons in the NHL.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

You are probably right.

So it's either former 1st round pick Bjornfot, with 100+ games of NHL experience at 19 and 20 and two years of NHL salary going back down to the AHL at 21 to make 80k and compete against lesser competition. That sounds like a Kings move for sure.

Or it's the best prospect the Kings have drafted since Doughty who's offensive skills could certainly help the team, going back to junior, a level he already dominated last year.

Just beyond ridiculous that they brought back Edler **AND** didn't trade/waive Walker or trade Durzi. One back is fine, but Walker and Edler back is just going to damage the development of a younger defenseman.

At this point the Kings should just trade Bjornfot for the best young goaltender they can get from another team and move on. He was buried at the end of last year (like 10th on the depth chart) and now possibly going to the AHL after 2 seasons in the NHL.

Herby, I just want to prepare myself. If the Kings put Clarke in the opening night roster, are you going to spend the first 9 games posting (whining) about how the org will most likely send Clarke down after those games? I’ve got that correct, yes?

 

[mysterman2]

If Vilardi can continue that pace of play (and frankly, raw foot speed), he might deserve a shot next to Moore and Danault as well.

Fiala - Kopitar - Kempe
Moore - Danault - Vilardi
Iafallo - Byfield - Kaliyev
Lemieux - Lizotte - Grundstrom

Anderson - Doughty
Roy - Clarke
Bjornfot - Spence

Where does Durzi play? Maybe we trade him?

If that plays out- thats a solid 4 lines....

Sidenote- Helenius credited with 9 hits. A season in the AHL is going to be good for him but with that size and being skilled enough to get PK time- solid draft for a euro with NHL pedigree. Can almost bet he will have a couple of fighting majors in the AHL and as other mentioned- him and Doty on the same line would be fun to watch.

Clarke making it impossible to be sent back down- kid looks like the real deal. Between him, Anderson, Spence, and Bjornfot- at least there is stability on the roster moving forward and projecting D corps when Doughty retires.

 

[cyclones22]

You are probably right.

So it's either former 1st round pick Bjornfot, with 100+ games of NHL experience at 19 and 20 and two years of NHL salary going back down to the AHL at 21 to make 80k and compete against lesser competition. That sounds like a Kings move for sure.

Or it's the best prospect the Kings have drafted since Doughty who's offensive skills could certainly help the team, going back to junior, a level he already dominated last year.

Just beyond ridiculous that they brought back Edler **AND** didn't trade/waive Walker or trade Durzi. One back is fine, but Walker and Edler back is just going to damage the development of a younger defenseman.

At this point the Kings should just trade Bjornfot for the best young goaltender they can get from another team and move on. He was buried at the end of last year (like 10th on the depth chart) and now possibly going to the AHL after 2 seasons in the NHL.

Blake does re-sign players to seemingly good value contracts. The problem is that this is exactly what can happen when you sign too many of them. Where's the foresight that these high end prospects could earn roster spots when signing a surplus of defensemen? Now these kids who look like obvious NHL players get penalized by not being waiver eligible whereas the players the kids should be replacing have the NHL contract protection that keeps them on the roster. Blake needs to be looking to JMFJettison at least 2 of the contracted vets during this season. Otherwise, let the continued devaluation of prospects in the AHL continue.

 

[Lt Dan]

Do you ever give it a rest?

Herby, I just want to prepare myself. If the Kings put Clarke in the opening night roster, are you going to spend the first 9 games posting (whining) about how the org will most likely send Clarke down after those games? I’ve got that correct, yes?

Why are you trying so obviously hard to pick a fight with Herby?
I can't remember someone trying so hard at this since junior high

 

[KingsFan7824]

I don't know that there have been many players who had their development damaged or hindered by additional time in junior or the AHL, but yeah, you have to open spots up for these guys. Rarely do they push vets out in camp. Especially in a hard cap league.

If I had to guess, and Clarke plays well enough, he's the guy that stays, since the other guys can go right down the street, and easily pop back up with any injuries that happen.

Then if Clarke sticks, you've got 5 RHD, which is pretty much unheard of. Teams are happy if they have 3 that can do the job.

We now know Blake isn't afraid to deal a highly thought of prospect, so this too many bodies issue is their strategy. They want 10 dmen that could play tomorrow. They want 16 or 17 F's that could be on the team. If they happen to lose anyone on waivers, they then have 3 other guys that can take his spot as needed. Then it's up to TM how he runs the day to day, and he's looking for something specific from the Byfield's of the team.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You’re literally watching a young prospect in Clarke who is actively forcing his way onto the NHL team. This is what people have been wanting QB to do for two years now.

I know you don’t understand opinions more complex than “go Kings go”, but you should give it a shot. We want QB to pan out because the Kings *need* QB to pan out. This is why he’s under a magnifying glass this year.

It doesn't always work that way. Some guys have 'it' but it doesn't always manifest immediately, particularly for 'big guys,' ie similar to Draisaitl.

Jack Hughes was forced into the NHL and was unmitigated garbage in year one and only mediocre year 2, showing nothing but flashes. No one would argue against him having 'it' now.

I get we're peeved because they're Kings prospects and they should always explode immediately but for a variety of reasons they don't do that.

Why can't we just celebrate one guy kicking ass like young Doughty without denigrating others?

You are probably right.

So it's either former 1st round pick Bjornfot, with 100+ games of NHL experience at 19 and 20 and two years of NHL salary going back down to the AHL at 21 to make 80k and compete against lesser competition. That sounds like a Kings move for sure.

Or it's the best prospect the Kings have drafted since Doughty who's offensive skills could certainly help the team, going back to junior, a level he already dominated last year.

Just beyond ridiculous that they brought back Edler **AND** didn't trade/waive Walker or trade Durzi. One back is fine, but Walker and Edler back is just going to damage the development of a younger defenseman.

At this point the Kings should just trade Bjornfot for the best young goaltender they can get from another team and move on. He was buried at the end of last year (like 10th on the depth chart) and now possibly going to the AHL after 2 seasons in the NHL.

Okay, and I'm on board as much as anyone of course for making slots for youth--but odds are a deal didn't present itself for a guy whose game relies on mobility and missed an entire year with injury. Edler was a great player on pace for 40 points before injury and by all accounts they love him, he's about the only guy that provides size, experience, and PK.

I don't see harm imminent here.

Anderson/Doughty
Walker/Roy
Edler/Clarke--see how he fares
Durzi, it's inevitable someone gets hurt

Only harm I see is losing moverare to waivers, I mean if they didnt' bring back Edler in favor of Moverare I would have been okay with it.

Bjornfot/Spence ripping up the AHL? Yes please. Those guys need to be playing and playing big minutes, not sniffing around the fringes of the NHL roster.

Eventually someone will be traded, waived, or injured, and we'll be happy for the depth. In this case, I think guys are slotted right, this isn't playing Turcotte on the 3rd line LW with schlubs then sending him down to get no PP time, this is playing a guy in all-around 1D situations. We can afford some patience for Blake to make the right move here.

Now with the forwards...

 

[KingsFan7824]

Blake does re-sign players to seemingly good value contracts. The problem is that this is exactly what can happen when you sign too many of them. Where's the foresight that these high end prospects could earn roster spots when signing a surplus of defensemen? Now these kids who look like obvious NHL players get penalized by not being waiver eligible whereas the players the kids should be replacing have the NHL contract protection that keeps them on the roster. Blake needs to be looking to JMFJettison at least 2 of the contracted vets during this season. Otherwise, let the continued devaluation of prospects in the AHL continue.

It's only potential devaluation if they're looking to trade the prospects. If they're not, it's potential development time for when they're needed.

There's the draft/free agency, and the deadline. Anything between that, and it's not easy making a deal. If Blake didn't do anything by now, it probably won't happen unless the Kings are out of it by the deadline.

I don't think it's a lack of foresight. They didn't forget they had Walker on the payroll when they re-signed Edler. They didn't forget Bjornfot played 70 games when they re-signed Edler. They didn't forget they had Clarke when they didn't trade Walker. This is how Blake seems to believe in building the team. He wants options.

 

[Vino]

Bjornfot/Spence ripping up the AHL? Yes please. Those guys need to be playing and playing big minutes, not sniffing around the fringes of the NHL roster.

Totally agree. They should sent Björnfot to Ontario, where he could learn to play some offence. LD's Anderson, Edler, Moverare - that's enough.

 

[Bandit]

Why are you trying so obviously hard to pick a fight with Herby?
I can't remember someone trying so hard at this since junior high

We've got time. Pretty sure Axhole hasn't reached junior high yet.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Not as concerned with opening night roster as much as how the roster looks like from January on.

Rooting for Gabe to put it together and become a contributor

 

[kinghock]

It doesn't always work that way. Some guys have 'it' but it doesn't always manifest immediately, particularly for 'big guys,' ie similar to Draisaitl.

Jack Hughes was forced into the NHL and was unmitigated garbage in year one and only mediocre year 2, showing nothing but flashes. No one would argue against him having 'it' now.

I get we're peeved because they're Kings prospects and they should always explode immediately but for a variety of reasons they don't do that.

Why can't we just celebrate one guy kicking ass like young Doughty without denigrating others?




Okay, and I'm on board as much as anyone of course for making slots for youth--but odds are a deal didn't present itself for a guy whose game relies on mobility and missed an entire year with injury. Edler was a great player on pace for 40 points before injury and by all accounts they love him, he's about the only guy that provides size, experience, and PK.

I don't see harm imminent here.

Anderson/Doughty
Walker/Roy
Edler/Clarke--see how he fares
Durzi, it's inevitable someone gets hurt

Only harm I see is losing moverare to waivers, I mean if they didnt' bring back Edler in favor of Moverare I would have been okay with it.

Bjornfot/Spence ripping up the AHL? Yes please. Those guys need to be playing and playing big minutes, not sniffing around the fringes of the NHL roster.

Eventually someone will be traded, waived, or injured, and we'll be happy for the depth. In this case, I think guys are slotted right, this isn't playing Turcotte on the 3rd line LW with schlubs then sending him down to get no PP time, this is playing a guy in all-around 1D situations. We can afford some patience for Blake to make the right move here.

Now with the forwards...

With all due respect I would replace your list with:
Bjornfot/Doughty
Anderson/Spence
Edler/Clarke

 

[Schmooley]

With all due respect I would replace your list with:
Bjornfot/Doughty
Anderson/Spence
Edler/Clarke

You mean
Chychrun - Clarke
Bjornfot - Spence
Anderson - Durzi
Moverare

 

[bmr]

In my view Drew> Clarke >Spence >Bjornfot>Roy>Walker>Durzi

You have Durzi all the way at the bottom of the pile? I take Durzi over Walker and Bjornfot.

This is my list:

Drew > Clarke > Spence > Roy > Durzi > Walker > Bjornfot

Thoughts?

You’re literally watching a young prospect in Clarke who is actively forcing his way onto the NHL team. This is what people have been wanting QB to do for two years now.

I know you don’t understand opinions more complex than “go Kings go”, but you should give it a shot. We want QB to pan out because the Kings *need* QB to pan out. This is why he’s under a magnifying glass this year.

Great point. To add to this: I think a lot of people think Kings brass is mis-managing young player development, but I disagree. The best players in this league will be in the NHL if they deserve to be in the NHL, unless the team is totally inept. Unless Clarke really drops off, I expect him to be on the team this year. He is just too good not to be. Total game changer. He still needs some seasoning, but I see him as no different than when Doughty came into the league.

 

[bmr]

Clarke is our best young D but I might just have to agree with you with all the others. Tobie might just be the odd man out.

Just have him and Spence be the top pairing in Ontario this year until they make room or a trade.

 

[bland]

Bjornfot had a very good year, got hurt, came back like he had time to adjust but was in the middle of the playoff push.

Not sure why some of you think he needs more time in the AHL. Just because he is eligible doesn't mean its the best course of action - he is clearly one of the 6 best defenders on the roster and has been adjusting just fine.

 

[bmr]

Nope. Walker shouldn’t even be on the team as well as edler.

Spence and Clarke should be here all season

We are going to need a big, heavy D presence once we lose Edler. Maybe we can revisit the Chychrun trade or try to get a guy like Soucy. I just worry about having too many smaller defensemen once you get into the rigors of the playoff schedule.

 

[kinghock]

You have Durzi all the way at the bottom of the pile? I take Durzi over Walker and Bjornfot.

This is my list:

Drew > Clarke > Spence > Roy > Durzi > Walker > Bjornfot

Thoughts?



Great point. To add to this: I think a lot of people think Kings brass is mis-managing young player development, but I disagree. The best players in this league will be in the NHL if they deserve to be in the NHL, unless the team is totally inept. Unless Clarke really drops off, I expect him to be on the team this year. He is just too good not to be. Total game changer. He still needs some seasoning, but I see him as no different than when Doughty came into the league.

In my view it is still Bjornfot> Roy >Walker >Durzi

Also, I value Durzi very low in terms of skill/talent, because he is very slow-footed.

 

[Lt Dan]

If that plays out- thats a solid 4 lines....

Sidenote- Helenius credited with 9 hits. A season in the AHL is going to be good for him but with that size and being skilled enough to get PK time- solid draft for a euro with NHL pedigree. Can almost bet he will have a couple of fighting majors in the AHL and as other mentioned- him and Doty on the same line would be fun to watch.

Clarke making it impossible to be sent back down- kid looks like the real deal. Between him, Anderson, Spence, and Bjornfot- at least there is stability on the roster moving forward and projecting D corps when Doughty retires.

Indeed and it is still without Arvidsson. If he fully recovers from the disk, then lookout cookout! (I am totally kidding with the lookout cookout guys)