GDT: Kings off-season thread

[Peter James Bond II]

I think Blake will try to add 2 more pieces...signing or trade. I think we will see the first prospect(s) traded.
Hope he makes the right call.

His last several calls were good:
Andersson - did well and was worth the 2nd rd gamble, but injuries did not help, nor Todd's deployment with the worst players for 7 minutes a game. His last 2 shifts, he had a goal and a primary assist (on the disallowed Durzi goal)
Lemieux - certainly worth the 4th rounder!
Arvidsson - worth the 2nd + 3rd. Consider he got back and 3rd and 4th? for Carter, that was no longer good here
Danault - team MVP
Edler - was great until his ankle break.
Stetcher - was great in his role and pretty impressive in the playoffs.

I think the criteria should be, for any new acquisition:

1. Can this player make an impact to help us make the playoffs and win in the playoffs?
if that answer is no, hard pass.
That's where the Kings are now. It would be even better, if it was 'can this player lead us to a cup?'
But, that's a little exrtreme ATM. Few players can do that!

So, AA and Edler cannot fulfill criteria 1, period. Adios. Kings need premium players and upgrades.
Maatta almost fulfills that, but Kings need that kind of money to upgrade., Adios.

The Kings 4 or 5 analytic / computer / sports advisor techs, or whatever those people were, that were
hired..even 1 from Harvard? They ALL need to find the person in Tampa Bay, that had mega-ultra-scrub Nick Paul as a target and hack their computer, to see how they identified him and who else is on their list. The Kings need these targets on their list. How does Tampa build their team with scrubs, undrafted players, players that were not good on other teams, etc, that are good on their team? Find out. Maybe it's their coaching staff.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Just a thought I had, would ya'll consider something around Iafallo and Walker for Tavares? Obviously Tavares' contract isn't great, but this team needs scoring and JT is still a PPG player. If they strike out on Forsberg, and the costs of players like Fiala or Boeser is too high I wouldn't hate adding Tavares.

For Toronto I think Iafallo would be the type of player that would work well and rebound on a line with Nylander, and adding a RD like Walker at a reasonable cap hit is helpful.

No way. 4 years at $11M? Easy pass.

 

[KINGS17]

Tendon tears repaired surgically can take up to a year to fully heal.

 

[Sol]

So when are they firing the dumb ass coach, and the coaching staff? And the development staff.

Not gonna go anywhere with these bozos behind the bench.

 

[Little Psycho]

 

[ibleedkings]

Just a thought I had, would ya'll consider something around Iafallo and Walker for Tavares? Obviously Tavares' contract isn't great, but this team needs scoring and JT is still a PPG player. If they strike out on Forsberg, and the costs of players like Fiala or Boeser is too high I wouldn't hate adding Tavares.

For Toronto I think Iafallo would be the type of player that would work well and rebound on a line with Nylander, and adding a RD like Walker at a reasonable cap hit is helpful.

I hope they go after Nylander. JT has a big contract and is getting up there in age.

 

[JKG33]

I hope they go after Nylander. JT has a big contract and is getting up there in age.

The thing with Nylander is Toronto would be looking for a comparable value player in a 1 for 1. Likely either a more well rounded 2C (and move Tavares to wing) or a top pairing D-man.

The Kings are better positioned to offer a package, but thats likely not something Toronto would consider for Nylander

 

[Schrute farms]

I genuinely don’t know how you can look at this team with the failures in forward star power and think this was a good year. I’d be happier if the Kings missed the playoffs and the prospects looked good in forward.

The only legitimate observation is that this year was an anomaly. Kopitar will continue to get worse and it looks very likely that prospects won’t get that much better to offset anything.

Unless for some reason you saw star potential in the forwards for some bizarre reason that many others aren’t.

Decent amount of you guys are looking at this season without any context. They made it to the playoffs but no one is thinking about what made them get there.

Similarly the same people who saw game 1 Kopitar getting a ton of ice time and getting a W thinking that the context of the win was working Kopitar to death. And then he looked shit most of the series.

Look at the context, not the result. Anomalies are anomalies but context will provide a better understanding of the future outcomes.

And also, I don’t see Kempe being as good next season as he was this season.he had an anomalous year. Kopitar is only going to get worse. What are we looking at exactly? Be realistic.

Did anyone in their right minds think that William Karlsson randomly broke out into a prolific goal scorer in one season? No. There was nothing to suggest that he would retain that new found glory. His career suggested that he’d come down to earth and boy he did.


Kings were lucky this season. The only way the Kings do better next season is if Blake fires the entire staff and gets Trotz. Better special teams will win more games, and better development team for the prospects will be huge however there’s nothing to indicate that anyone will be losing their job.

I truly hope for your sake that you have some positivity and fun in your life occasionally. Life is too short to go around being miserable all the time. Hopefully it's just the Kings making you that way and not your overall life in general.

 

[JTeller97]

I hope they go after Nylander. JT has a big contract and is getting up there in age.

I want no part of Nylander. I don't care how skilled he is if this is how you go to battle when the games mean the most I don't want you anywhere near this team.

 

[Mats26]

I think Blake will try to add 2 more pieces...signing or trade. I think we will see the first prospect(s) traded.
Hope he makes the right call.

His last several calls were good:
Andersson - did well and was worth the 2nd rd gamble, but injuries did not help, nor Todd's deployment with the worst players for 7 minutes a game. His last 2 shifts, he had a goal and a primary assist (on the disallowed Durzi goal)
Lemieux - certainly worth the 4th rounder!
Arvidsson - worth the 2nd + 3rd. Consider he got back and 3rd and 4th? for Carter, that was no longer good here
Danault - team MVP
Edler - was great until his ankle break.
Stetcher - was great in his role and pretty impressive in the playoffs.

I think the criteria should be, for any new acquisition:

1. Can this player make an impact to help us make the playoffs and win in the playoffs?
if that answer is no, hard pass.
That's where the Kings are now. It would be even better, if it was 'can this player lead us to a cup?'
But, that's a little exrtreme ATM. Few players can do that!

So, AA and Edler cannot fulfill criteria 1, period. Adios. Kings need premium players and upgrades.
Maatta almost fulfills that, but Kings need that kind of money to upgrade., Adios.

The Kings 4 or 5 analytic / computer / sports advisor techs, or whatever those people were, that were
hired..even 1 from Harvard? They ALL need to find the person in Tampa Bay, that had mega-ultra-scrub Nick Paul as a target and hack their computer, to see how they identified him and who else is on their list. The Kings need these targets on their list. How does Tampa build their team with scrubs, undrafted players, players that were not good on other teams, etc, that are good on their team? Find out. Maybe it's their coaching staff.

I might be a little off with what I saw this year and maybe the software they use won't agree with me, but I feel we need an impact center. We simply can't have Kopitar play these kinds of minutes in all situations at his age.

I'll make a serious run for Mark Scheifele in a trade. PPG in the playoffs, Right handed center that we need. Plays on the first line PP. Shooter and decent hockey I/Q. Realistically it will be a massive overpayment but at least kick the tires.

Move Byfield over to wing for 2 years or 4th line center so he fills out and works on maturing his game.

Get another scoring winger in UFA (Palat, Nino, Reilly). Cheaper options like Domi, Rackell, Perron

We may have to move some prospects and salary out i.e Walker, Iafallo but we need to move forward.


Palat Sheifele Kempe
Moore Danault Ardvinsson
Byfeild Kopitar Kaliyev


Trade what you need to clear space to get Scheifele

picks +
Turcotte
Madden
Iafallo
Walker
Faber
Grans
Lizotte
Kupari
Vilardi
Grundstrom
Lemieux
etc...

 

[tomd]

The thing with Nylander is Toronto would be looking for a comparable value player in a 1 for 1. Likely either a more well rounded 2C (and move Tavares to wing) or a top pairing D-man.

The Kings are better positioned to offer a package, but thats likely not something Toronto would consider for Nylander

Nylander for a futures package would free up enough cap $ to allow the Leafs to go get a D or G from another team or thru free agency. The Kings have the futures to get it done. Same situation with Fiala.

 

[JTeller97]

I think Scheifele could be a decent option for us, not sure if he can play wing but he'd really help our PP and should be good for 30 g's and is on a decent contract. I know everyone wants to harp on sturm for our PP and there is merit to the frustration, but let's be real, there's really not a whole lot to work with as far as personnel.

 

[Little Psycho]

Kings media fricken sucks not streaming these. They have always been so behind compared to other teams

 

[DryIslandBartender]

It's probably somewhere in the middle, like always. I want to think Durzi can keep improving but I don't see the tools there. Was he a revelation because he is a late bloomer, or is he just a revelation because he was so bad defensively before his current play looks phenomenal?

I wouldn't be upset at all if he was used in a deal to bring in a needed piece, but it all comes down to how other teams perceive his value. He would fit better in other systems, no doubt. But if other teams don't value him that much, I'm fine with seeing if he can develop into a key part of the team.

Defensemen at 27/28 or older are considered late bloomers. Durzi is only getting started at 23 years old and it takes more time for Defensemen to develop than forwards. Same thing with Mikey Anderson, only 22 and might develop into an Alec Martinez type. Takes patience for these guys to figure it out. Bjornfot can play alot of minutes too and he’s only 21.

I think Durzi is a Voynov type that needs work on his own zone. Durzi can quarterback a power play, lead the rush out of his own zone. Voynov was high iq and smart in his own zone. It’s gonna take Durzi more time, maybe spending the off-season with Greene will help.

We don’t need to trade assets for a Defenseman, we are fine there and continue the development of what we got. We’ll get Doughty back, Maata will probably be resigned, and probably a UFA type.

-We need to upgrade the top 6
-specifically figure out the 1C
-scoring winger.
- Assess the goaltending situation.
- everyone needs to hit the weight room and beef up. Got pushed around too much by Edmonton.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Not sure about the rest of you, but I’m pretty excited with what’s to come in the offseason. Rob Blake isn’t going to sit on his hands this summer.

 

[kenito7]

I might be a little off with what I saw this year and maybe the software they use won't agree with me, but I feel we need an impact center. We simply can't have Kopitar play these kinds of minutes in all situations at his age.

I'll make a serious run for Mark Scheifele in a trade. PPG in the playoffs, Right handed center that we need. Plays on the first line PP. Shooter and decent hockey I/Q. Realistically it will be a massive overpayment but at least kick the tires.

Move Byfield over to wing for 2 years or 4th line center so he fills out and works on maturing his game.

Get another scoring winger in UFA (Palat, Nino, Reilly). Cheaper options like Domi, Rackell, Perron

We may have to move some prospects and salary out i.e Walker, Iafallo but we need to move forward.


Palat Sheifele Kempe
Moore Danault Ardvinsson
Byfeild Kopitar Kaliyev


Trade what you need to clear space to get Scheifele

picks +
Turcotte
Madden
Iafallo
Walker
Faber
Grans
Lizotte
Kupari
Vilardi
Grundstrom
Lemieux
etc...

Good player the price tag would be high. Certainly would be worth a look.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

The problem with this analysis is that the Kings are near the limit on 50 SPCs.

Signed for next season (32):

Kopitar
Danault
Arvidsson
Iafallo
Moore
Kaliyev
Byfield
Kupari
Lizotte
Roy
Doughty
Walker
Bjornfot
Spence
Wagner
Quick
Peterson
Madden
Turcotte
Helenius
Chromiak
Fagemo
Thomas
Dudas
Lee
Pinelli
Ward
Clarke
Grans
Nousiainen
Ingam
Hrenak

Definitely resigned (7):

Kempe
Lemieux
Vilardi
Grundstrom
Anderson
Durzi
Anderson- Dolan

Possibly Resigned (7):

Andersson
Edler or Maata
Moverare
Tkachev
Frk
Strand
Wollanin

That's 46 slots. You still need to have an AHL goalie who can step up if Quick or Peterson gets hurt, and you have to figure at least one player from the reserve list and one draftee will be signed. That's not a lot of room, particularly if you want to add an UFA. The Kings are going to need to move some contracts or move on from some names in the 'possibly resigned' category. As I said earlier, the player that makes the most sense to move is Iafallo (possibly to his hometown Buffalo for one of their three 2nd round picks)- to free up his slot in the lineup for a prospect.

Buffalo will only probably move up to the first with those second rounders. I’d consider moving back if Buffalo takes on Iaffalo’s contract. Blake gets 2 second rounders in the deal.

We draft better outside of the first round anyway, so that makes sense.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

So when are they firing the dumb ass coach, and the coaching staff? And the development staff.

Not gonna go anywhere with these bozos behind the bench.

Another hot take.

 

[fivehole32]

Just a thought I had, would ya'll consider something around Iafallo and Walker for Tavares? Obviously Tavares' contract isn't great, but this team needs scoring and JT is still a PPG player. If they strike out on Forsberg, and the costs of players like Fiala or Boeser is too high I wouldn't hate adding Tavares.

For Toronto I think Iafallo would be the type of player that would work well and rebound on a line with Nylander, and adding a RD like Walker at a reasonable cap hit is helpful.

Pajama boy can stay in his dream city as far as I am concerned. He royally screwed the Islanders on his way out knowing he wanted to go there once he was a FA. He played the "I don't know, maybe I'll re sign maybe I won't" so the Islanders couldn't get any assets by trading him on deadline day to the Leafs.

 

[lexlavender]

I think Moving on from Iafallo is a mistake, he was bad in the second half of this year, but it's been his first down year ever. I also suspect that he has some minor injury that's nagging him. Before this year, dude was just getting better and better, and we even thought he broke out at the beginning of this year.

I think he just has to get back to his game of being a puck hound, and he'll be a nice piece again.

 

[Sol]

Another hot take.

I love it.

 

[Sol]

I truly hope for your sake that you have some positivity and fun in your life occasionally. Life is too short to go around being miserable all the time. Hopefully it's just the Kings making you that way and not your overall life in general.

Yeah just pull those blinders real close to your eyes and keep moving forward through that tunnel. None of what I said was wrong. Hopefully it's just the Kings making you this delusional and not your overall life in general.

What about that quote you responded to sounded bad? Im just curious. I pretty much laid down in detail what the problems are with this team and why I think it's a big deal. Do you want to try responding or should we just do the random dumb comments?

 

[kinghock]

Defensemen at 27/28 or older are considered late bloomers. Durzi is only getting started at 23 years old and it takes more time for Defensemen to develop than forwards. Same thing with Mikey Anderson, only 22 and might develop into an Alec Martinez type. Takes patience for these guys to figure it out. Bjornfot can play alot of minutes too and he’s only 21.

I think Durzi is a Voynov type that needs work on his own zone. Durzi can quarterback a power play, lead the rush out of his own zone. Voynov was high iq and smart in his own zone. It’s gonna take Durzi more time, maybe spending the off-season with Greene will help.

We don’t need to trade assets for a Defenseman, we are fine there and continue the development of what we got. We’ll get Doughty back, Maata will probably be resigned, and probably a UFA type.

-We need to upgrade the top 6
-specifically figure out the 1C
-scoring winger.
- Assess the goaltending situation.
- everyone needs to hit the weight room and beef up. Got pushed around too much by Edmonton.

Durzi is not a Voynov type.

Voynov was very good skater and was excellent at his own zone.

Durzi is so slow footed that he simply does not have physical abilities to be good at his own zone.

 

[kingskring]

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Yeah just pull those blinders real close to your eyes and keep moving forward through that tunnel. None of what I said was wrong. Hopefully it's just the Kings making you this delusional and not your overall life in general.

What about that quote you responded to sounded bad? Im just curious. I pretty much laid down in detail what the problems are with this team and why I think it's a big deal. Do you want to try responding or should we just do the random dumb comments?

Uh oh, OP must have hit a nerve....