GDT: Kings off-season thread

[kilowatt]

We're not adding a pick.

Toronto gets to dump Mrazek's deal while upgrading and saving a bit of cap space. And fill their backup role.

Mrazek plays in the AHL for us since we need a goalie down there.

If you can sign Campbell it upgrades our goaltending, plus gives stability after Quick is gone next year.

You’re right, my bad, but do we really want Mrazek’s $3,000,000 dead cap hit in the AHL? No thanks. I don’t think Petersen, Mrazek, or Campbell is the right goalie for our future, but we’ll see.

I just don't see the point in taking on 'risky' vets at this point when we're in the driver's seat.

Like you can come up with good reasoning/theories for guys like OEL and Drouin and et. al. but...why take guys that are and have underperformed on longer-term deals when we have assets and spots and are on the upswing?

If we really feel we can't fill a slob like Drouin or a f***ing mess like OEL internally, we're DOA anyway. Now's not the time for 'hope' trades. We need guys that can handle exposure, too.

We also just have too many assets. As it stands, Vilardi and JAD will need to clear waivers or play with the big club. We need to trade some of these guys or risk losing them. I think Vilardi and Bjornfot could be part of an attractive package for an upgrade at LD.

 

[johnjm22]

You’re right, my bad, but do we really want Mrazek’s $3,000,000 dead cap hit in the AHL? No thanks. I don’t think Petersen, Mrazek, or Campbell is the right goalie for our future, but we’ll see.

No we don't. Just like we don't want Petersen's 5M cap hit.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I just don't see the point in taking on 'risky' vets at this point when we're in the driver's seat.

Like you can come up with good reasoning/theories for guys like OEL and Drouin and et. al. but...why take guys that are and have underperformed on longer-term deals when we have assets and spots and are on the upswing?

If we really feel we can't fill a slob like Drouin or a f***ing mess like OEL internally, we're DOA anyway. Now's not the time for 'hope' trades. We need guys that can handle exposure, too.

I don't think we are gonna be players in the UFA market, trade market, yes if it's there, but I don't see anything major UFA wise....and if we are making a trade it's a major one, top 6, top 3D etc.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

We also just have too many assets. As it stands, Vilardi and JAD will need to clear waivers or play with the big club. We need to trade some of these guys or risk losing them. I think Vilardi and Bjornfot could be part of an attractive package for an upgrade at LD.

I totally agree, but at this point we have to go quality-for-quality or quantity-for-quality, making moves just to make moves doesn't make sense. OEL just makes us older and sloppier; if you want a risky playmaker like Drouin why not just let a guy like Vilardi fly; and so on.

If we're not packaging things for a surefire top-3 dman or surefire top-line scorer, keep the powder dry until one is available. LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE is available internally or for cheap. more external 40-point players don't move the needle, especially on this team, and our D is absolutely flush with guys who can play 2nd pairing or later.

 

[johnjm22]

I think to feel comfortable about the Kings playoff chances next year, they need 3 quality players "added."

That can be external or internal.

 

[kilowatt]

I totally agree, but at this point we have to go quality-for-quality or quantity-for-quality, making moves just to make moves doesn't make sense. OEL just makes us older and sloppier; if you want a risky playmaker like Drouin why not just let a guy like Vilardi fly; and so on.

If we're not packaging things for a surefire top-3 dman or surefire top-line scorer, keep the powder dry until one is available. LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE is available internally or for cheap. more external 40-point players don't move the needle, especially on this team, and our D is absolutely flush with guys who can play 2nd pairing or later.

I agree, which is why I meant that we should use some of our (perhaps formerly) promising prospects to get actual upgrades at some of these important positions, rather than just signing reclamation projects for cheap and blocking the kids anyway.

I guess what I’m getting at is that if the kids aren’t playing, trade them for guys who will. Good ones. If we’re icing OEL, Drouin, and Athanasiou for another year then we’re doing something wrong.

Does Vilardi, Bjornfot, and a first get us close to Provorov or Sergachev?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I agree, which is why I meant that we should use some of our (perhaps formerly) promising prospects to get actual upgrades at some of these important positions, rather than just signing reclamation projects for cheap and blocking the kids anyway.

I guess what I’m getting at is that if the kids aren’t playing, trade them for guys who will. Good ones. If we’re icing OEL, Drouin, and Athanasiou for another year then we’re doing something wrong.

Does Vilardi, Bjornfot, and a first get us close to Provorov or Sergachev?

Bingo. The time for placeholders is over. Shit or get off the pot. Anything else is just prolonging the inevitable.

 

[verbalkint47]

I like Grundstrom a lot, but I feel everybody is reaching a bit much on his playoff performance. It was a lot like Clifford’s rookie playoff performance in 11 when Kopitar was hurt. Clifford scored 3 goals and 2 assist in 6 games. But he was never close to that player again.

Now Grundstrom maybe a late bloomer who needs more minutes to blossom into a good player, or he could’ve just been a player on a hot streak for a couple a games.

Let’s not pencil him into the top 6 over someone like Kempe, Moore, Arvidsson and Kaliyev (who is like Grundstrom but seems to be more proven at a younger age).

I was so excited by that Clifford - Richardson - Simmonds line. I thought we were going to have two 15+ goal 200 PIM guys in our bottom six

 

[Trash Panda]

Drouin is a higher paid Anthanasiou.

It’s a fools errand taking on a head case like that, and shaping him into a championship-caliber winger. He is a high cost dumpster dive. Hard pass.

This roster needs culture, not cancer.

 

[KOPITARRULEZ11]

What you guys think of Kyle Connor big guy that can score nice power forward to gel with kempe id rather have him than schif

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

What you guys think of Kyle Connor big guy that can score nice power forward to gel with kempe id rather have him than schif

Would love him, but the cost will be way too much, 2 1sts, Byfield, Turcotte, Clarke, Kempe, Andersson, Kaliyev, pick 3 or 4 out of that group and that maybe gets you something.....

 

[Surf Nutz]

our prospects are not worth dick. especially because every other GM can see we are hog tied by them. You guys are trying to hit home runs when we wont be able to get on base.

 

[Schmooley]

our prospects are not worth dick. especially because every other GM can see we are hog tied by them. You guys are trying to hit home runs when we wont be able to get on base.

It was reported that Arizona wanted Vilardi as the main piece in a Chychrun deal. The reports eventually came down to 3 first round picks as the ask even if it meant former first rounders. So a 1st rounder, Vilardi, Andersson, and Walker for salary reasons may be in the realm of possibility. Can add JAD and Moverare if they need bodies also.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Good LD that might be available
Theodore, Vgk in cap hell, not trading in division
Chychrun
Provorov
Ghostbeer (is he good?)
OEL
Nic Hague (offersheet, but that's not happening)
Nate Schmidt
Soucy

I would love a Sergachev, Werenski, Romanov, they're just not available for trade. Kings could trade for a younger D like Buffalo's Mattias Samuelson or Wpg, Logan Stanley or wait to see if Kirill comes over in the near future. In the meantime we have Bjorn & Mikey around 0.11 PPG. The LD market is literally so bad that OEL isn't that bad of an option.

After watching Oilers get multiple breakaway goals, even an injured Draisaitl, not interested in guys like Zadorov. We need snarl, but he is just too slow.

 

[kilowatt]

It was reported that Arizona wanted Vilardi as the main piece in a Chychrun deal. The reports eventually came down to 3 first round picks as the ask even if it meant former first rounders. So a 1st rounder, Vilardi, Andersson, and Walker for salary reasons may be in the realm of possibility. Can add JAD and Moverare if they need bodies also.

Not saying it’s impossible, but I think Dave Pagnotta reported that and he’s not the most trustworthy insider.

Chychrun trade talks gaining momentum — The Fourth Period

TFP’s David Pagnotta reports the Coyotes have escalated trade talks involving Jakob Chychrun.

www.thefourthperiod.com

With that said, trading Vilardi for a top LD would be a huge win, because I just don’t see McBLuc putting Gabe in a position to succeed anymore.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

With that said, trading Vilardi for a top LD would be a huge win, because I just don’t see McBLuc putting Gabe in a position to succeed anymore.

Reaaallllly hoping we dont' see another Dave Taylor run of ruining an asset for trade and watching them succeed elsewhere

how many ways does it go, Boucher, Zhitnik, ...

 

[cyclones22]

Reaaallllly hoping we dont' see another Dave Taylor run of ruining an asset for trade and watching them succeed elsewhere

how many ways does it go, Boucher, Zhitnik, ...

Remember at one point the Kings had a youthful defense that included Blake, Sydor and Zhitnik and Paul Coffey to help mentor them. Holy mismanagement Batman.

 

[johnjm22]

It's okay trading a young asset and seeing them succeed elsewhere as long as what you got in return helps you in the short term AND long term.

If Jack Johnson turned out to be a great defensemen, I don't think anyone would regret the Carter trade. We had Carter for 10 seasons at a low cap hit.

Jokinen was traded for Palffy. Ziggy gave us 5 great years. Olli ended up being a pretty great center in this league, but it wasn't for much more than 5 seasons really.

On the other hand, we traded away Cernak, who'll be a rock solid NHL dman for a decade, in exchange for a few months of average goaltending from Ben Bishop.

 

[KingsFan7824]

OEL might not be so terrible if Petersen goes the other way. Otherwise, no way.

What is Van going to do with another $5m goalie?

We're not adding a pick.

Toronto gets to dump Mrazek's deal while upgrading and saving a bit of cap space. And fill their backup role.

Mrazek plays in the AHL for us since we need a goalie down there.

If you can sign Campbell it upgrades our goaltending, plus gives stability after Quick is gone next year.

They're not putting and leaving $4.2m in Ontario next year. Trade Petersen for Mrazek, whatever, but Mrazek will be on the Kings. Then unless Quick is gone next, Campbell ain't coming.

No team in the league is putting that contract in the AHL on a full time basis.

What you guys think of Kyle Connor big guy that can score nice power forward to gel with kempe id rather have him than schif

The Jets aren't trading Connor.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Petersen is tough to trade given his stats, contract and 10 team no trade list, which I believe kicks in July 1.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

What is Van going to do with another $5m goalie?



They're not putting and leaving $4.2m in Ontario next year. Trade Petersen for Mrazek, whatever, but Mrazek will be on the Kings. Then unless Quick is gone next, Campbell ain't coming.

No team in the league is putting that contract in the AHL on a full time basis.



The Jets aren't trading Connor.

Disagree, the Jet's will 100% absolutely trade Connor......but only for their price....FLA says you know what, we need Connor to win the cup, will trade you Ekblad, Lundell, 3 1sts, and Knight.....they are probably taking that deal....or NJ says, we want Connor, will trade you Hughes, 3 1sts, and Bratt....again, they probably take that, the problem isn't that they won't trade him, the problem is that the price to acquire him is so asinine, no team will do it.....and Connor is not a Gretzky.....

Hell even players that everyone KNEW was going to be traded (ala Eichel) didn't fetch a Kings Ransom

 

[kilowatt]

Reaaallllly hoping we dont' see another Dave Taylor run of ruining an asset for trade and watching them succeed elsewhere

how many ways does it go, Boucher, Zhitnik, ...

I’d like the record to show that I’m not advocating for trading Vilardi because I want him off the team, but because I think management has largely given up on him. In a perfect world, Vilardi’s given top six minutes and breaks out with the Kings.

 

[KINGS17]

I agree, which is why I meant that we should use some of our (perhaps formerly) promising prospects to get actual upgrades at some of these important positions, rather than just signing reclamation projects for cheap and blocking the kids anyway.

I guess what I’m getting at is that if the kids aren’t playing, trade them for guys who will. Good ones. If we’re icing OEL, Drouin, and Athanasiou for another year then we’re doing something wrong.

Does Vilardi, Bjornfot, and a first get us close to Provorov or Sergachev?

I just don't see Tampa moving Sergachev. Sergachev, Cernak, and Foote are the future anchors of Tampa's defense.

Sergachev and Cernak are only RFAs at the end of the next season. Tampa will find a way to get them signed, probably a longer term, big money deal for Sergachev and something not as long term and big for Cernak.

I would like to say you have a better shot at Cirelli, but I doubt this is the case. They probably won't bring Palat back next season, but at 31 years of age, do the Kings want him? I don't think it would be a good idea.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Disagree, the Jet's will 100% absolutely trade Connor......but only for their price....FLA says you know what, we need Connor to win the cup, will trade you Ekblad, Lundell, 3 1sts, and Knight.....they are probably taking that deal....or NJ says, we want Connor, will trade you Hughes, 3 1sts, and Bratt....again, they probably take that, the problem isn't that they won't trade him, the problem is that the price to acquire him is so asinine, no team will do it.....and Connor is not a Gretzky.....

Hell even players that everyone KNEW was going to be traded (ala Eichel) didn't fetch a Kings Ransom

In other words, they're not trading him.

 

[tomd]

I’d like the record to show that I’m not advocating for trading Vilardi because I want him off the team, but because I think management has largely given up on him. In a perfect world, Vilardi’s given top six minutes and breaks out with the Kings.

Vilardi's trade value at this point is for another team's "change of scenery" type player. He's not a player that teams are targeting as a significant upgrade to their roster.